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[JediPanther]

I'll wait for Street Fighter 5. I quit spending money on mwo a long time ago. Over 3 years and still not what they told us founders at the start has happened much. Role warfare is the launch of a uav for scouting and some fire support from a few lrm 5s from a trial mech.

[Gas Guzzler]

Rhazien, on 24 June 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

Then we're both old, mate.

I tend to think we're talking about tournaments, clan on clan battles, that sort of thing, (makes sense to have a good spectator mode in those), but after reading the comments here, it sounds more like it's a professional sports kinda thing?

I think it is generally just to support competitive matches in this case, being about spectators and all. So you can have a referee spectating to make sure no one is cheating.

I think a wide variety of the people here see e-sport and think of the "ggclose teenagers" like someone said, and I think they are blowing it out of proportion. The way I see it, there is nothing wrong with spectator mode, it will help both casual and competitive tournaments, and in general could only help the game.

[Fate 6]

There is no reason EVER for PvE here. Story, maybe could be added to CW. However, players are always better than AI. If you want to command a lance of mechs then just join a competitive team. Also I feel bad for anyone that's so closed minded that they don't think esports is as competitive as football. LoL players practice for 14 hours a day, football players don't. Just as much planning and drills go into esports too.

[Fate 6]

Aresye Kerensky, on 24 June 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Not any different than watching Poker on ESPN. Bunch of hypocritical arguments with no valid complaints other than the stereotype that video game players are losers and don't deserve to have any recognition.

It's like fantasy football vs LARP. One involves sitting at home drinking beer and constantly refreshing webpages. The other actually involves physical exercise and spending time outdoors. But noooooo, the one that involves sitting at home on your ass doing nothing is somehow more socially acceptable, despite the fact both of them involve immersing yourself in a 100% fake reality.

This. People respect chess players. Idk how that's different at all either. Btw, the USA recognizes playing League of Legends as a sport legally. Visa granted to foreign players are athletic visas.

[Gas Guzzler]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Could not have put it better. Amen.


Guys can try to defend pro gaming all they want, it's just trying to self-affirm their likely shameful gaming habits.

That's fine, I play lots of vids too. We all do other stuff as well. But pro gaming deserves no respect as a human activity any further than its value as a sweet money bag for marketing companies to milk the gaming demographic

I'm not saying one way or the other, but who the **** are you guys to say who deserves respect? That is completely subjective, just because you don't think so doesn't mean others feel the same way.

Honestly, so many people in this world get respect for garbage. I'll tell you this, I have more respect for top MWO players than I do for Kim Kardashian.

If people want to be ultra competitive at this game, let them. People will enjoy watching and supporting it, and this game will get more attention. I really don't see the downside, I just see the non-competitive non-factors coming in and saying that all the guys that wreck them in MWO on a daily basis don't actually deserve respect and we need single player in MW ONLINE as a top priority, and then all the comp guys who do the wrecking coming in and calling them out for it.

Seriously, its a game, some people are good at it, let them have their comp matches and e-sports.. who does it hurt?

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 24 June 2015 - 11:36 AM.

[Mystere]

Fate 6, on 24 June 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

This. People respect chess players. Idk how that's different at all either. Btw, the USA recognizes playing League of Legends as a sport legally. Visa granted to foreign players are athletic visas.

Money talks.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 June 2015 - 11:14 AM, said:

That is not entirely true. While I agree there is marginally more skill required in other types of racing, there is still skill involved, and the driver does matter, that's why guys with identical setups don't always score identical laps.

People don't seem to realize that those guys heart rates average 140 bpm over the course of 3 hours straight. There is athleticism involved. A lot of the guys playing MWO would probably have heart attacks in that situation.

Everyone in the US who doesn't like NASCAR loves to bash it, but you gotta give some respect where it is due. The drivers are athletic and skilled, and some engineering plays into it asn

I agree, but for the sake of arguing in both MWO and Nascar the player, and driver are sitting mostly still. I'd be real interest to see the heart rates of some of the top E-sport players when they are playing competitively. I assume when they have $100,000 riding on the match they have heart rates well in access of 100 BPM. Like starcraft champions say, they practice 8 hours a day, ex cerise and eat right. It's more of mental health than physical but it all plays a role.

I'm not saying Nascar drivers are no talent assclowns, but neither are competitive gamers.

[XX Sulla XX]

E-sports is not something that is bad for the game. Its not going to kill your precious lore. It still needs exactly the same things the normal game needs. Better tutorials for new players. Better balance. Good hit detection. More maps. More game modes etc etc. E-sports is not the enemy and is something that couldr really help the game. I personally am looking forward to Solaris 7 where there is a good chance for non-unit based e-sports to work.

[cSand]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 June 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

I'm not saying one way or the other, but who the **** are you guys to say who deserves respect? That is completely subjective, just because you don't think so doesn't mean others feel the same way.

Honestly, so many people in this world get respect for garbage. I'll tell you this, I have more respect for top MWO players than I do for Kim Kardashian.

Like I said, do what you want.

I think though, folks like mudhut and myself, maybe have a bit of a different view here in that professional gaming, kardashians, w/e other trivial sh*t society churns out...

is all equally worthless. It's got nothing to do with people beating me at MWO or any other game (if it was I'd have a problem, since I'm not that good anyways)

I'll disrespect who I want, lol

Edited by cSand, 24 June 2015 - 11:52 AM.

[Kristov Kerensky]

DjPush, on 24 June 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Well... It sounds like this game has nothing to offer you. Cut your losses, uninstal and go play something else. I don't believe that anything has REALLY been promised to you. Just because you paid some money to fund a game being developed, doesn't entitle you to ****. It's a risk you took and to be honest, I think it was a good one. Mechwarrior is a fun game. The only reason it isn't for you is because you continue to dwell on some vision of a game YOU are creating.

That's a YOU problem. Take the game for what it is and enjoy it or, uninstall.

Actually, I'll back Hades Trooper on this, we WERE promised specific things for MWO, and we've gotten some of those things but not all of them to date. He isn't making things up about what MWO is supposed to be, he's repeating what myself and thousands of others were told by PGI what MWO would be, it's the game they sold us on, and it's why we put out cash for Founders packs and other packs since that time.

However, e-sports was also part of the deal they sold us on, lots of people glossed over that and ignored it, but it was part of the deal all along, its not new.

[Ragtag soldier]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 June 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

If people want to be ultra competitive at this game, let them.

to be blunt, if people want to be ultra competitive at this game, they're friggin' stupid. the basic mechanics of the game are lopsided, the maps are unbalanced, the mechs unbalanced and often buggy, and the weapons mostly nerfed into ultra-niche use or just so idiot-proofed there's no point in not using them.

as a screw-around game most of these can be overlooked, but for competitive play there's way too many things keeping it from being "skill wins". if two teams are equal, it's literally whoever gets the good spawn wins right now.

[cSand]

Hyper99, on 24 June 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

I'm not saying Nascar drivers are no talent assclowns, but neither are competitive gamers.

Well, at least not when it comes to gaming

[Midax]

You know just having spectators and private servers that clans can pay for in their area is enough for most games to sustain competitive players. Look at Battlefield 4. There are tons of player run servers that stay full during peak times and there is no E-Sport focus in that game.

PGI needs to drop this E-sport nonsense and make a game with enough depth to please MW and BT fans.

Edited by Midax, 24 June 2015 - 11:55 AM.

[Fate 6]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Like I said, do what you want.

I think though, folks like mudhut and myself, maybe have a bit of a different view here in that professional gaming, kardashians, w/e other trivial sh*t society churns out...

is all equally worthless. It's got nothing to do with people beating me at MWO or any other game (if it was I'd have a problem, since I'm not that good anyways)

I'll disrespect who I want, lol

Clearly you belong somewhere else

[Aresye]

Gas Guzzler, on 24 June 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

If people want to be ultra competitive at this game, let them. People will enjoy watching and supporting it, and this game will get more attention. I really don't see the downside...

The downside is right now nobody considers themselves a bad player, so having a competitive esports presence would just make people butthurt when they realize they can't make the cut.

Nvm, I'm going to just go full elitist mode...

Most of the players in MWO suck something fierce. They don't know how to work as a team, build effective loadouts, maximize their quirks, or have any semblance of understanding whatsoever on how to be good in this game.

The people who HAVE figured these things out, are the meta tryhard comp guys everybody loves to hate, but to the vast majority of the player base, the only reason these guys win is because they use a particular loadout, they abuse consumables, they leg, or any other excuse to reenforce the idea that they themselves are the better player, but because of "X", they can never show their true potential.

There is no true potential. They are not good. They suck at the game, and nothing could reenforce that fact harder than them seeing the same players they always thought they were secretly better than, rising to the top of esports fame, while they remain a complete nobody.

[Gas Guzzler]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

I'll disrespect who I want, lol

That's fine, but saying general terms like "good players deserve no respect" is subjective, so yes you are entitled to feel that way, but it doesn't matter who you respect, and your opinions should not form the basis of development for this game, so stop waving your opinion around like it actually means something.

In other words, just because you don't respect competitive players, doesn't mean that implementing features that benefit competitive tournaments is bad for MWO.

[Tool Box]

It would be interesting to be given the option to watch the highest elo solo que games like in league of legends. Just a thought of mine.

[Sazabi Steppenwulfe]

you want e-Sport, then put Solaris in play. please let Russ know as much during the townhall this week

[Kristov Kerensky]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Like I said, do what you want.

I think though, folks like mudhut and myself, maybe have a bit of a different view here in that professional gaming, kardashians, w/e other trivial sh*t society churns out...

is all equally worthless. It's got nothing to do with people beating me at MWO or any other game (if it was I'd have a problem, since I'm not that good anyways)

I'll disrespect who I want, lol

cSand, I was an athlete through high school, martial artist, and very active in the SCA doing full combat until I was injured on the job 20 odd years ago and rendered physically incapable of doing that anymore. I got into online gaming, and found it was just as intense and required just as much training and practice as playing football and soccer, martial arts and sword fighting, it just wasn't as physically intensive.

I played games for money, and I spent more time practicing for that than I ever did for any sport or even martial arts. Most professional gamers, and they do exist, spend at least 8 hours a day practicing every single day of the week, which is far more than any other professional getting paid to play games spends practicing their game.

It's a HUGE thing in the Orient, professional gaming is a very well respected field, they are superstars, fame, money, groupies, the whole show, just as professional sports players are treated here in the US, only they tend not get busted for beating up their women, doing drugs, killing people, you know, typical US sport's star things.

We don't need a huge community to get e-sports going, we simply need the desire to see it happen and people who want to watch it. Same things CS, LoL and StarCraft started with, see where they are now...

[Fate 6]

cSand, on 24 June 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

Well, at least not when it comes to gaming

What's stopping me from being a competitive gamer and a successful aerospace engineer? You're extremely closed minded. You're the kind of person that fights to ban gay marriage just because you don't approve of it personally. You don't have to agree but don't tell other people they are worth less than someone else just because you're threatened by them. Pro gamers are better than you at more than just gaming, because it takes a lot of skills to game. Why do you think so many engineers are gamers? Exactly, overlapping skillsets.