37 replies to this topic

[Sazabi Steppenwulfe]

PGI needs to knock it off. they will put themselves in an actionable position very soon if the trend continues.

[kesmai]

Read the TOS.

[DaZur]

Hmm...

Color me silly but I'm beginning to see a trend.

[PowerKill Necron]

They obviously sell OP stuff to get you to buy, then nerf once sales slow. Nothing new here.

[LordNothing]

when you buy content what you are really buying is either a grind reduction (stuff you could buy with cbills) or exclusive access (new stuff that you cant).

[charov]

I've paid. A lot. I'm glad if they nerf if this ensures a bit more of balance. If you pay to have a better mech then you are playing the wrong game. Go play wot and have fun with their gold brainless ammo.

They can balance better, though..

[Alistair Winter]

Well...

• Never mind the TOS, intentionally timing the nerfs and buffs to coincide with sales is just unethical. Even if it's par for the course in F2P games these days.
  
• People who buy mechs based on the premise that they're Tier 1 are setting themselves up for disappointment. I only buy mechs I would play regardless of whether they're Tier 1 or Tier 5. It means I'm never* disappointed.
  
• Actions speak louder than words. I respect people who have the discipline to stop buying in order to send a message, either for a certain period of time or permanently. And of course, I also respect people who support the game if they feel it deserves their support.

* That's a bit of an exaggeration. I thought the Locust and Mist Lynx would be fun, even if they were Tier 5 mechs. Little did I know that they were both actually Tier 8 mechs upon release.

[Kira Onime]

Again, if you comer in a PVP game not expecting nerfs and/or buffs, then you are delusional.

Thinking paying any kind of money will give you a free pass on said nerfs/buffs makes you a fool.

[Rhaythe]

This happens with every pay-for-early-access game *ever*.

Content is released. Balancing issues are found. By the time it reaches free access, it's been rebalanced. As soon as it hits a larger audience, it's going to be min/maxed more efficiently than internal testing allows. Common sense suggests that after X amount of time, it's going to undergo several permiatations in production.

This is not new nor unexpected. It's the natural evolution of competitive content.

[Joseph Mallan]

Steppenwulf, on 24 June 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

PGI needs to knock it off. they will put themselves in an actionable position very soon if the trend continues.

Players need to stop chasing the buffs. Find a Mech you like then play the crap out of it till buffed or nerfed you don't even notice.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

I don't understand? Are people really complaining about game balancing?
I think too many people cried P2W and attracted the wrong crowd.

that being said I thing PGI does themselves and their customers a disservice when they are slow to react to balance problems, and when those changes do come, players suddenly find themselves out of their Elo depth and in an extended losing streak.

[Catra Lanis]

Releasing OP mechs for real money and then nerfing them is within their rights but it is not a very "nice" way of doing business. I'd rather see that they released them slightly underpowered and then raised them up in increments until they find a good place.

It's not possible to find the sweetspot on the first try. We have too many mechs for that, but some have been so OP that PGI must have known what they were before they were released.

[MeiSooHaityu]

All I can do is shake my head at these threads.

This wasn't even a thing until the TW and SCR got nerfed (and those mechs were out about a year before balancing was attempted).

Whatever.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 25 June 2015 - 08:47 AM.

[Tombstoner]

Catra Lanis, on 25 June 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Releasing OP mechs for real money and then nerfing them is within their rights but it is not a very "nice" way of doing business. I'd rather see that they released them slightly underpowered and then raised them up in increments until they find a good place.

It's not possible to find the sweetspot on the first try. We have too many mechs for that, but some have been so OP that PGI must have known what they were before they were released.

What you described reminds me of the clan invasion.... as soon as the first clan mechs where available for in-game cash the great nerfing began. i refused to be a victim during such a blatant pay to win scam.

[Dolph Hoskins]

It's the FTP scam in general. Not just MWO, but as a game financial model as a whole. For the time being FTP gaming has to seem like a gold mine for developers looking to make a title and get in on the action. The model pretty much supports skeleton like games with minimal promise of follow through for absurd prices and time demand.

Hopefully some day soon people will get the gist of how this one sided pay model works and will avoid it like the plague. Gamers seem to have gotten smart about the early access game scandals on steam, maybe they will start to wise up to FTP games. Oh well.

Edited by The Ripper13, 25 June 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[Sjorpha]

What trend?

Wave 2 had no OP mechs (though 1 strong one, the HBR) Resistance no OP mechs in either pack. Wave 3 has had one relatively weak and one very good mech so far, but the EBJ hasn't really turned out that OP after all, and it looks like the AC will be the only one truly risking to upset the balance.

So what we have is one example of nerfing OP mechs in the TBR and SCR, and other than that it's a pretty mixed soup overall.

[Water Bear]

This is how F2P games (and WoW) make money. If you paid $50 once and then you were powerful forever, you wouldn't have a reason to spend more money.

What I am telling you is that this is the way the world works. If you don't like it, don't play F2P games.

MeiSooHaityu, on 25 June 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

All I can do is shake my head at these threads.

This wasn't even a thing until the TW and SCR got nerfed (and those mechs were out about a year before balancing was attempted).

Whatever.

Gotta push those mech sales. Ever wonder how mech sales were before the Clan invasion? Maybe the Invasion was aimed at our wallets.

Steppenwulf, on 24 June 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

PGI needs to knock it off. they will put themselves in an actionable position very soon if the trend continues.

No they won't. Less internet tough guy pl0x.

[Ultimax]

Welcome, to online video gaming!

Enjoy your stay.

[Revis Volek]

Steppenwulf, on 24 June 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

PGI needs to knock it off. they will put themselves in an actionable position very soon if the trend continues.

Go back and read WHAT YOU AGREED to in the ToU or CoC...

All the idiots these days thinking they can take everyone to court because they didn't have fun.....geez.

The millenials are ruining the world and its sad.

[Midax]

Why are you feeding the troll? His location is set to F.O.B. your mom....