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[Gattsus]

Although I can stand MWO at it current state, with all its faults and derpy game mechanics, probably more demanding/less committed players won't.

Imagine the rant when MWO hits Steam and new players judge the game, we could have something like this:

https://youtu.be/eOUOzL04Byg?t=358

Though I doubt it since not many people gives a single f*** about the Mechwarrior Universe.

tl;dr Arkham Knight was released as broken/unpolished game and the world erupted. The PC version was pulled of the shelves, hopefully MWO will get polished for the time of a Steam Release.

On poor implementations of F2P:

[Deathlike]

It has less to do with Steam (it's just a distribution platform) but more about games truly not ready for primetime (probably due to Publisher insistence/interference).

Welcome to how games works these day (first day patch releases).

[Triordinant]

Deathlike, on 25 June 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

It has less to do with Steam (it's just a distribution platform) but more about games truly not ready for primetime (probably due to Publisher insistence/interference).

Welcome to how games works these day (first day patch releases).

Not to mention the new profit model is sell half of the game at the regular price then release the rest of it as DLCs so they end up doubling the price without anyone noticing. Kind of like how the price of granola bars is roughly the same as a couple of years ago but the box contains 6 instead of 8.

[Cupid and Psyche _]

When it was first announced that MWO was coming to steam, I was quite anxious with how the game will turn out, but I know now that not much will change once it is put on Steam. I do expect bad reviews, but it probably won't shift the overall opinion to more negative than it already is.

I'm interested to see how many new players we will get, though...

[NephyrisX]

What about Dirty Bomb? Outside of angryjoe going completely full-****** in his rant video and sheep taking his word like it's a gospel, Dirty Bomb is actually one of the freshest F2P games on the market now.

[El Bandito]

I stopped touching anything with early access, pre-order DLCs, and first day release content--even if those are the games I love. Just hate the practice.

NephyrisX, on 25 June 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

What about Dirty Bomb? Outside of angryjoe going completely full-****** in his rant video and sheep taking his word like it's a gospel, Dirty Bomb is actually one of the freshest F2P games on the market now.

Never liked skill tree based FPS--MWO included (though MWO's skill tree is far more pathetic). I personally like Insurgency much more, as a fresh FPS.

Edited by El Bandito, 25 June 2015 - 06:59 PM.

[Elizander]

Tera is one of the games that got a lot of benefits from Steam release. They even got in a patch that gives guildmates +% cumulative xp bonuses for grouping together(newbie friendly and stacks with 100% xp buffs) and the giant monsters seem 2x slower compared to before the patch (but could just be me not fighting them for a long time). They also release inactive character names for all the new players to use.

Now if MWO had something like +2.4% more XP/C-bills per member when fighting as a unit then we might see more of them around.

[Rebas Kradd]

The thing that's really going to ignite rants is how every non-CW match plays exactly the same and CW is a Galaxy of Gauss Cannons™ with nothing else to fight over. The painful lack of depth will show through there the most.

[Gattsus]

NephyrisX, on 25 June 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

What about Dirty Bomb? Outside of angryjoe going completely full-****** in his rant video and sheep taking his word like it's a gospel, Dirty Bomb is actually one of the freshest F2P games on the market now.

DB, despite being a fun game to play, the progression is PURE P2W.

[NephyrisX]

El Bandito, on 25 June 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

Never liked skill tree based FPS--MWO included (though MWO's skill tree is far more pathetic). I personally like Insurgency much more, as a fresh FPS.

What skill tree? There is no skill tree in Dirty Bomb.

Gattsus, on 25 June 2015 - 11:08 PM, said:

DB, despite being a fun game to play, the progression is PURE P2W.

Except anything above Bronze is essentially Bronze with a rarer skin. And P2W implies game-breaking features that can only be bought with cash or the grind is so insane that you might as well buy it to save yourself the trouble.

Dirty Bomb isn't that. Ironically, Aura and Skyhammer, the two mercs you start out with, are considered the most powerful mercs in the game as of now.

Edited by NephyrisX, 26 June 2015 - 01:48 AM.

[Black Ivan]

MW:O is in no state to hit the big prublic on Steam. There is too little content, a too big grind, now decent training for new players.

Should it hit Steam the forums and the net will be full of bad reviews of the game and the forum would burn and drown in tears.
PGI has to do very much work to get this game up to the level where a release on Steam won't be suicide.

[Juodas Varnas]

If MW:O gets released in the current state to Steam, i fear it might kill the game completely.

[Joseph Mallan]

Gattsus, on 25 June 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Although I can stand MWO at it current state, with all its faults and derpy game mechanics, probably more demanding/less committed players won't.

Imagine the rant when MWO hits Steam and new players judge the game, we could have something like this:

https://youtu.be/eOUOzL04Byg?t=358

Though I doubt it since not many people gives a single f*** about the Mechwarrior Universe.

tl;dr Arkham Knight was released as broken/unpolished game and the world erupted. The PC version was pulled of the shelves, hopefully MWO will get polished for the time of a Steam Release.

On poor implementations of F2P:

Wow. Dude needs an outlet for those fake temper tantrums!

[El Bandito]

NephyrisX, on 26 June 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

What skill tree? There is no skill tree in Dirty Bomb.

There is. As in player customization slots.

[NephyrisX]

El Bandito, on 26 June 2015 - 02:35 AM, said:

There is. As in player customization slots.

I think I may be misinterpreting your words here, but the only customisation I see are the three mercs you bring into each round and the fixed loadout cards each merc has.

Gattsus, on 25 June 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Although I can stand MWO at it current state, with all its faults and derpy game mechanics, probably more demanding/less committed players won't.

Imagine the rant when MWO hits Steam and new players judge the game, we could have something like this:

https://youtu.be/eOUOzL04Byg?t=358

Though I doubt it since not many people gives a single f*** about the Mechwarrior Universe.

tl;dr Arkham Knight was released as broken/unpolished game and the world erupted. The PC version was pulled of the shelves, hopefully MWO will get polished for the time of a Steam Release.

On poor implementations of F2P:

Also, best to reinterate. Angryjoe didn't do his research and merely rage at inaccurate second-hand information since those paid cases are really just skins for Bronze Loadout Cards, which gives all the best perks and can be easily acquired via in-game cash or trading up lower-tier Loadout cards.

In other words, Silver and above Loadout cards add NOTHING to Dirty Bomb outside of cosmetic differences.

Edited by NephyrisX, 26 June 2015 - 03:16 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 26 June 2015 - 02:07 AM, said:

Wow. Dude needs an outlet for those fake temper tantrums!

He has one. It's called youtube, for the moronic masses to lap up as gospel. We have our versions of him for MWO, too.

[NephyrisX]

To further add on, AngryJoe is rather crap at FPS games. Plus:


You know who these guys are? These are some of the more famous Youtubers who specialises in FPS games, and while they have a few gripes with Dirty Bomb, they pretty much praise the game as a whole.

In other words, cross-reference is a thing.

[Raggedyman]

When MWO goes to Steam people are going to complain, because they are people and it's Steam and there is a new game for them to have an opinion about.

And yet it will still happen, because it's a good plan as it'll open the game up to more people and help spread the word of the game. It'll also give the old guard a "target rich environment" for a while, a new player experience, some general tidy up of the game, and hopefully some signup goodies.

So unless you have some weird ethic whereby you must ditch any game that goes below a metascore, even if you actually like the game, or you start to cry if someone who you are never going to meet says they don't like the thing you like then I'm really not sure what all the worry is about.

[Axeface]

The big steam riots only happen when a game is broken, or if it's p2w, not because people dont like it. MWO isn't broken and it isn't p2w (anymore, unlike clan wave 1 release).

I really think that when MWO releases we wont see riots and mass negative ratings, not that it really matters. There are plenty of games with atrocious ratings with many people playing and buying into.
But yeh, MWO isn't 'broken', it works - and if they get the map remakes out before steam release I think it will be fine, those remakes are going to be the biggest improvement to this game since the beginning. The first few weeks are going to be difficult (for the servers, PGI should probably purchase more temporary servers for the player influx) and that might reflect badly on new players, but in the end it will balance out I think.

They should probably remove the 3 mech grind before the release though, new players should be able to master their first mech at least without having to grind 3. (I'de prefer a total re-write of the system, it's pooh tbh).

Edited by Axeface, 26 June 2015 - 04:28 AM.

[Midax]

If the upcoming changes that Russ was talking about go well, then MWO will be a much better game when released on steam. Most of the Steam players will not be looking for the same things that alot of us old BT fans grip about all the time.