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[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 25 June 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Currently, the Clan Omnimechs with "lucky" base configurations (i.e. Endo + FF, good engine size, etc.) are either equal to the best IS mechs or superior.

For Clan Battlemechs, nearly all of them get lucky "base" configs because they can (assuming Clan BMs work like IS BMs) adjust their engine/structure/armor at will. That is, unless PGI turns Clan Battlemechs into Omnimechs instead.

The Cbill bonus ones are rather lacklustre without hardpoint inflation, but they could be made powerhouses all the same.


I'll play around with the Hunch...but he doesn't get much to work with. 25 tons of pod space with 2B and 2E(both CT).

2 ERMLs or 2 MPLs is the natural choice, which leaves 23 tons for 2 Dakka. Strip both arms for another ton?

2 UAC10s with 5 tons of ammo, a little light, with 2 ERMLs and 1 JJ and arms completely stripped.


Not terrible, but not the ideal choice.


2 ERLLs and Gauss fit a little too well, I guess 3 JJs, 3 tons of ammo, and 3 heatsinks?

LPL or ERPPC is an option, but 2 tons elsewhere won't do much good.

[Nik Reaper]

Also it does rase some concern that by the time these start to be in circulation the big pass on the quirk system Russ was talking about might come to pass so who knows in what shape the IS mechs will be to recive the new IIc overlords X) .

Might not be in a bad one but now we have to keep the IIc in mind when doing the pulic tests that should be coming for those changes.

Ps. : also what is the opinion on a new clan drop deck if those 4 and there variants were available and how do most think they would to to the standard IS drop deck?

Edited by Nik Reaper, 25 June 2015 - 08:25 PM.

[Mcgral18]

topgun505, on 25 June 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Remember ... they have to include THREE versions of each mech.

Jenner IIC 3 = Clan version of Jenner D

That could be really really nasty in the right hands (and the hit boxes aren't totally borked).

Yeah, Jenner is the only one with 3 usable variants.


That HGN with 6 AP Gauss, Gauss, 3 ERMLs, on top of 3 ATM6s...it makes me wish we had those weapons.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 25 June 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

The Cbill bonus ones are rather lacklustre without hardpoint inflation, but they could be made powerhouses all the same.


I'll play around with the Hunch...but he doesn't get much to work with. 25 tons of pod space with 2B and 2E(both CT).

2 ERMLs or 2 MPLs is the natural choice, which leaves 23 tons for 2 Dakka. Strip both arms for another ton?

2 UAC10s with 5 tons of ammo, a little light, with 2 ERMLs and 1 JJ and arms completely stripped.


Not terrible, but not the ideal choice.


2 ERLLs and Gauss fit a little too well, I guess 3 JJs, 3 tons of ammo, and 3 heatsinks?

LPL or ERPPC is an option, but 2 tons elsewhere won't do much good.

2 UAC20s stock would sound like fun, but then again...

It'll be dumbed down due to tonnage limits, so, it'll be interesting nonetheless.

[The Mechromancer]

URBIE IIC PGI PLZ

[Lyoto Machida]

A jumping AC40 sounds nice...depending on how much speed and armor you can pack in there.

[Elizander]

I thought these things couldn't be customized since they were made as fodder mechs.

[FupDup]

Elizander, on 25 June 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

I thought these things couldn't be customized since they were made as fodder mechs.

You mean like our current IS mechs?

Also, in some cases, Clan "second line" Battlemechs were actually more optimized/minmaxxed than their Omni counterparts. It's pretty hilarious.

[Corbon Zackery]

BATTLETECH
Medium BattleMech Record Sheet
Player: Hunchback IIC
Armor Diagram
Internal Structure
Left Arm (10,11) Double these numbers!
OOOOOOOO
Head (12)
OOOOO
Right Arm (3,4)
OOOOOOOO
Left Arm
OOOOOOOO
Head
OOO
Right Arm
OOOOOOOO
Left Torso (8)
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Rear
OOO
Center Torso (2,7)
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOO
Rear
OOOO
Right Torso (6)
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Rear
OOO
Left Torso
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Center Torso
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOO
Right Torso
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Left Leg (9)
OOOOOOOOOO
OOO Armor
Standard
Right Leg (5)
OOOOOOOOOO
OOO
Left Leg
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Internal Structure
Endo Steel
Gyro
Standard
Right Leg
OOOOOOOOOO
OO
Left Arm
Low (1-3) 1.Shoulder
2.Upper Arm Actuator
3.Lower Arm Actuator
4.Hand Actuator
5.ER Laser (Medium) [1]
6.Double Heat Sink [13]
High (4-6) 1.Double Heat Sink [13]
2.Roll Again
3.Roll Again
4.Roll Again
5.Roll Again
6.Roll Again
Head
1.Life Support
2.Sensors
3.Cockpit
4.Targeting Computer [8]
5.Sensors
6.Life Support
Right Arm
Low (1-3) 1.Shoulder
2.Upper Arm Actuator
3.Lower Arm Actuator
4.Hand Actuator
5.ER Laser (Medium) [2]
6.Double Heat Sink [14]
High (4-6) 1.Double Heat Sink [14]
2.Roll Again
3.Roll Again
4.Roll Again
5.Roll Again
6.Roll Again
Left Torso
Low (1-3) 1.Engine
2.Engine
3.Ultra AC/20 [3]
4.Ultra AC/20 [3]
5.Ultra AC/20 [3]
6.Ultra AC/20 [3]
High (4-6) 1.Ultra AC/20 [3]
2.Ultra AC/20 [3]
3.Ultra AC/20 [3]
4.Ultra AC/20 [3]
5.Ammo (uAC/20) 5 [5]
6.Ammo (uAC/20) 5 [7]
Center Torso
Low (1-3) 1.Engine
2.Engine
3.Engine
4.Gyro
5.Gyro
6.Gyro
High (4-6) 1.Gyro
2.Engine
3.Engine
4.Engine
5.Roll Again
6.Roll Again
Right Torso
Low (1-3) 1.Engine
2.Engine
3.Ultra AC/20 [4]
4.Ultra AC/20 [4]
5.Ultra AC/20 [4]
6.Ultra AC/20 [4]
High (4-6) 1.Ultra AC/20 [4]
2.Ultra AC/20 [4]
3.Ultra AC/20 [4]
4.Ultra AC/20 [4]
5.Ammo (uAC/20) 5 [6]
6.Roll Again
Left Leg
1.Hip
2.Upper Leg Actuator
3.Lower Leg Actuator
4.Foot Actuator
5.Jump Jet [9]
6.Jump Jet [10]
Engine Hits: O O O
Gyro Hits: O O
Sensor Hits: O O
Life Support: O

Damage: 54 Heat: 24
Right Leg
1.Hip
2.Upper Leg Actuator
3.Lower Leg Actuator
4.Foot Actuator
5.Jump Jet [11]
6.Jump Jet [12]

LA ER Laser (Medium) 5 7 - 1-5 6-10 11-15 -
RA ER Laser (Medium) 5 7 - 1-5 6-10 11-15 -
LT Ultra AC/20 6 20 - 1-4 5-8 9-12 -
RT Ultra AC/20 6 20 - 1-4 5-8 9-12 -

Ammunition
LT uAC/20 [5] ooooo _________
RT uAC/20 [5] ooooo _________
LT uAC/20 [5] ooooo _________

This is just to give you a idea of how insane the Hunchback IIC is. Remember all armor is doubled in game. This is the suicide mech of the century With only 30 armor in the center torso its a one hit dream for crabs and Jagers and well everything. But if you can get into range and or get next to something bigger more dangerous like oh a Dire Wolf you can mop things up if you get surprise too

Option 3 will have ECM!
Hunchback IIC 4 This variant carries a pair of experimental Clan-made Ultra AC/5s with quirks, each with two tons of ammo, an ECM Suite, and additional armor in place of the standard Ultra AC/20s.[10] BV (2.0) = 2,097[11]

Edited by Corbon Zackery, 25 June 2015 - 08:48 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 25 June 2015 - 08:25 PM, said:

2 UAC20s stock would sound like fun, but then again...

It'll be dumbed down due to tonnage limits, so, it'll be interesting nonetheless.

Lyoto Machida, on 25 June 2015 - 08:34 PM, said:

A jumping AC40 sounds nice...depending on how much speed and armor you can pack in there.

None, of either.

Comes stock with 50% armour.


Although, if you want to stay at 71 Kph, strip the arms, remove all JJs, add Ferro, you can get 31 tons of pod space with 8 TrueDubs.


Dual Gauss w/60 rounds and a ERML or pair of ERSLs.

Dual UAC20s would be too toasty for PoorDubs.

[FupDup]

Corbon Zackery, on 25 June 2015 - 08:40 PM, said:

BATTLETECH
Medium BattleMech Record Sheet

-wall of text-

This is just to give you a idea of how insane the Hunchback IIC is. Remember all armor is doubled in game. This is the suicide mech of the century.

That format is so horrible to read. Here is something a lot more legible:

http://bte.battletec...te/pdf/1568.pdf

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 25 June 2015 - 08:41 PM, said:

None, of either.

Comes stock with 50% armour.


Although, if you want to stay at 71 Kph, strip the arms, remove all JJs, add Ferro, you can get 31 tons of pod space with 8 TrueDubs.


Dual Gauss w/60 rounds and a ERML or pair of ERSLs.

Dual UAC20s would be too toasty for PoorDubs.

Most of these crazy builds truly are glass cannons when it comes to stock.

I'm sure there will be some middle ground...

[Moldur]

Fictional universe features a timeline in which new technologies are introduced.
People complain about power creep.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 25 June 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

Most of these crazy builds truly are glass cannons when it comes to stock.

I'm sure there will be some middle ground...

Not sure how much middle ground there will be...

Here's the pod space for 200, 250 and 300 engines:

71 Kph
29.5 tons of pod space with efficient maximum, 31 tons with completely stripped arms.

89 Kph
26.5 max, 28 tons with stripped arms

107 Kph
23.5 max, 25 arms stripped


That's with 1B in either ST, and 2E in the CT.

Tell me what you can efficiently build with that...because I completely overlooked Dual Gauss due to being preoccupied with TrueDubs...with weapons that don't generate heat.

[FupDup]

Mcgral18, on 25 June 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Not sure how much middle ground there will be...

Here's the pod space for 200, 250 and 300 engines:

71 Kph
29.5 tons of pod space with efficient maximum, 31 tons with completely stripped arms.

89 Kph
26.5 max, 28 tons with stripped arms

107 Kph
23.5 max, 25 arms stripped


That's with 1B in either ST, and 2E in the CT.

Tell me what you can efficiently build with that...because I completely overlooked Dual Gauss due to being preoccupied with TrueDubs...with weapons that don't generate heat.

At 89 kph, perhaps 2 UAC/10 with 6 tons of ammo, and 2 ERML?

At 107, you can probably do 2 UAC/5 (also 6 tons of ammo) and 2 MPL.

Perhaps be a bit derpy and do Gauss + 2 ERLL?

Edited by FupDup, 25 June 2015 - 09:15 PM.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 25 June 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Not sure how much middle ground there will be...

Here's the pod space for 200, 250 and 300 engines:

71 Kph
29.5 tons of pod space with efficient maximum, 31 tons with completely stripped arms.

89 Kph
26.5 max, 28 tons with stripped arms

107 Kph
23.5 max, 25 arms stripped


That's with 1B in either ST, and 2E in the CT.

Tell me what you can efficiently build with that...because I completely overlooked Dual Gauss due to being preoccupied with TrueDubs...with weapons that don't generate heat.

Oooh.. Dual Clan Gauss Hunchback IICs.

Strip off the arm tonnage... shouldn't that be enough for at least 4 tons of ammo?

Faceoff vs the Grid Iron... it would be glorious.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 25 June 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:

Oooh.. Dual Clan Gauss Hunchback IICs.

Strip off the arm tonnage... shouldn't that be enough for at least 4 tons of ammo?

Faceoff vs the Grid Iron... it would be glorious.

Use the stock engine for it; nearly max aside from the arms, 6 tons of ammo, 2 ERSLs.

FupDup, on 25 June 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

At 89 kph, perhaps 2 UAC/10 with 6 tons of ammo, and 2 ERML?

At 107, you can probably do 2 UAC/5 (also 6 tons of ammo) and 2 MPL.

Perhaps be a bit derpy and do Gauss + 2 ERLL?

That was an option, I think I listed it earlier in the thread.


You could do ERPPC, but that cuts down on...well, everything.


4 JJs might be enough, 5 on the Nova is alright.

[Nightshade24]

Nik Reaper, on 25 June 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

Ok, help me here, totaly custumisable mechs , no omni pod to change hardpoints, but options for endo, fero, clan xl engine , normal engines and all clan weapons... with clan doubles hs ....

When this hits could any IS ever be competitive again?

The thing is we knew for like 2 or 3 months they were confirmed... just saying.

We knew IIC will be Wave 4 (or what ever the next pack is)


However we got more details recently ^^

[Mcgral18]

Nightshade24, on 25 June 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

The thing is we knew for like 2 or 3 months they were confirmed... just saying.

We knew IIC will be Wave 4 (or what ever the next pack is)


However we got more details recently ^^

No, there were plenty of Omni's left.


Half dozen Meds, one Light (+Firemoth), half dozen Heavies, and one Assault.


That's without making up new variants, which could include another Assault and another few Meds.

[PowerKill Necron]

Does this mean the war is over? I mean the clan mechs are already better than most IS mechs, and now they get clan versions of IS mechs. Will there be ANYONE left to defend the IS?

Edited by PKNecron, 25 June 2015 - 09:32 PM.