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[Screech]

Just surprised none has tried to claim that the 1% of 12mans is actually 12% because they are counting it wrong internally.

[Jon Gotham]

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 03:54 AM, said:

IF they remove the group queue and replace it with the galaxy map when its more complete, what form should groups be added back into the regular queue? Simple question.

You can't simple as.
The playerbase is too whiny and bratty with too poor an attitude for it to wash. The amount of team work is unfair threads illustrates this.
If they forced the issue i'd say one team per side of equal size and/or weight with comparable elo if possible.But people would still moan like crazy wouldn't they?
That has already been demonstrated.....

[Mystere]

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

12 man team matches on week ends ...

The hilarity of this is making it hard to stop laughing and people here are already giving me strange looks. Someone please tell me it's not true or I'm going to roll over and die laughing.

[Mystere]

IraqiWalker, on 29 June 2015 - 03:16 AM, said:

It's simply the fact that the player base needs to go through a week or two in Baghdad, to help them grow up a bit.

(This is coming from an Iraqi, so I know what I mean when I reference Baghdad here).

I think Baghdad has suffered enough. There is no need to inflict more tragedy.

[DONTOR]

I find myself playing in small groups much more than 12 mans, and to me it makes sense, and i would welcome it. Especially since it would boost pug land population, making games easier to find, I really dislike waiting up to 5 minutes for a standard game...

[Mystere]

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 03:54 AM, said:

IF they remove the group queue and replace it with the galaxy map when its more complete, what form should groups be added back into the regular queue? Simple question.

Let's have a single queue where anything goes, just like in closed beta. Anyone else who wants a "safe" environment can go start private matches.

[Mystere]

TWIAFU, on 29 June 2015 - 03:56 AM, said:

Streamline the Queue definitions and availability.

Turn Solo in Skirmish. Allow 1 4 man per side, rest are SOLO ONLY.

Group Queue - Groups ONLY, NO SOLO.

CW - Groups ONLY, NO SOLO.

CW is greyed out until after Cadet Bonus completed.

Solo has a playground, Groups have a playground. Solo and new players are protected from themselves and not allowed to enter parts of the game where they are clearly not ready or not willing to participate in the intent of the game mode.

Since people cannot or are unable to make these decisions for themselves, and blame others when they do make them, they have to be prevented from making them in the first place.

Why are you discriminating against solos like myself? Are you afraid to face me and my kind? Did a CJF PUG team touch you in all the wrong places?

On a more practical note, who is going to fill 11-man teams? Who is going to fill a 5+6 team? Who is going to fill a 7+4 team?

Edited by Mystere, 29 June 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[Mystere]

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

Lets be clear here. The group queue was added to allow for 12 man teams and large 10 player teams etc. Not the other way around. They added that because they respect large team wishes. 2 man teams have been paying the price for that for a while..... Solo queue couldnt be happier.

This is the main reason I think its possible the group queue is on the way out but I could be wrong. This is where the discussion should be though.

Also the reason that its possible small group may be added to the regular queue again.

Ahem! If I remember correctly, the group queue was created because so many of my fellow solo players unfortunately, shamelessly, and endlessly cried that they were being touched by groupies in bad places.

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

I think that was to accomodate large groups again.... They werent having much fun fighting each other over and over. Wait times to long...

By the way 12 player teams are here to stay and there will be ALOT more in the future, just how do they go about it after the Galaxy map is complete and game is further along being made...

Maybe just let 1 to 2 man group in regular queue? But then group queue wait times go up....

The solution is so obvious I am aghast at why it has not been done yet: allow solos into the group queue. We can take it.

Edited by Mystere, 29 June 2015 - 07:41 AM.

[Ramagar]

Personally I would like to see lance level game 4v4 introduced.

[Johnny Z]

Mystere, on 29 June 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

Ahem! If I remember correctly, the group queue was created because so many of my fellow solo players unfortunately, shamelessly, and endlessly cried that they were being touched by groupies in bad places.




The solution is so obvious I am aghast at why it has not been done yet: allow solos into the group queue. We can take it.

The group queue was made for large teams because they were saying they couldnt make large groups. Period. Your either lying, trolling or misinformed.

Elo was supposed to make the regular queue newbie friendly. Thats what it is there for and is getting improvments to finally do that. They tried micro managing to much before was the problem I think.

The only debate is how should group queue change because the idea of 2 man groups getting stuck in the group queue has been complained about rightfully for a long while now.

For this reason and the fact the Galaxy map is large group friendly it is very likely the group queue may be removed.

The only debate is in what form 12 man teams will be included outside the Galaxy map and how large a group should be allowed in the regular queue.

All players can drop in solo or in any sized groups on the Galaxy map and there has been few complaints about it. Except from the large group if anything.

That the Galaxy map was made strictly for large group is incorrect although alot of their wishes about meaningfull battles were included in its design. Although its large group friendly it is also welcomeing to small groups and solos after its finally done from what has been said. For instance the inclusion of a 4 v 4 mission type.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 June 2015 - 08:30 AM.

[Imperius]

Johnny Z, on 29 June 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

Lets be clear here. The group queue was added to allow for 12 man teams and large 10 player teams etc. Not the other way around. They added that because they respect large team wishes. 2 man teams have been paying the price for that for a while..... Solo queue couldnt be happier.

This is the main reason I think its possible the group queue is on the way out but I could be wrong. This is where the discussion should be though.

Also the reason that its possible small group may be added to the regular queue again.

Actually groups were here at the start of the game and because of a bunch of entitled self centered solo babies they forced us to play max of 4 player groups. Please get your facts strait!

[Johnny Z]

Imperius, on 29 June 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

Actually groups were here at the start of the game and because of a bunch of entitled self centered solo babies they forced us to play max of 4 player groups. Please get your facts strait!

Yes I remember when the rules changed to make 4 man group only due to crying. But the fact remains group queue was made to allow for large groups. So my facts are straight.

I accept your apology.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 June 2015 - 12:11 PM.

[Imperius]

4 man limit killed most of the MWO player base off... You're lucky some came back but it wasn't worth it.

[Deathlike]

Imperius, on 29 June 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

4 man limit killed most of the MWO player base off... You're lucky some came back but it wasn't worth it.

I think we need a bigger/new discussion on whether or not we'd actually want solos in CW first... because that in itself generates a whole series of problems resulting from it.

Then we'd need a completely different discussion to allow 12-mans in pub group drops (in other words, what is the biggest premade size allowable? can solo players "opt-in" to such a system?). These things are a lot more complicated due to the MM situation and PGI's lack of infrastructure to making it less painful for all involved.

[Wintersdark]

Mystere, on 29 June 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

The solution is so obvious I am aghast at why it has not been done yet: allow solos into the group queue. We can take it.

Yes, please.

Let ME choose if I drop solo in the group queue. If players opt in, they opt in and can't complain. I prefer play in the Group Queue, and can't imagine a lot of really rambo-style solo players would want to opt in... but I'd appreciate having shorter queue times for myself, improving matchmaking quality in the group queue (as it would ease the tetris game to make matches with varying group sizes).

[IraqiWalker]

Mystere, on 29 June 2015 - 07:23 AM, said:

I think Baghdad has suffered enough. There is no need to inflict more tragedy.

Now I'm the one getting the funny looks from those around me due to loud laughter. Thank you, I needed that.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Threads like these sound to me like they were approved by an international mecha godzilla safety board.

"Surgeon general's warning: 12 man teams are detrimental to the health and safety of mechs in MWO. Therefore 12 man teams should be eradicated from existence."

"Warning: pinpoint accuracy is detrimental to the health and safety of mechs in MWO. Pinpoint accuracy should be abolished!"

"Warning: dual gauss crits can destroy a mechs's cockpit in 1 barrage and are detrimental to the health and safety of mechs in MWO. Dual gauss crits should be exterminated."

Somehow, I get the impression a lot of you are going about this all wrong.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 29 June 2015 - 01:37 PM.

[Imperius]

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Edited by Stickjock, 30 June 2015 - 03:00 AM.
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[Kristov Kerensky]

Mystere, on 29 June 2015 - 07:18 AM, said:

The hilarity of this is making it hard to stop laughing and people here are already giving me strange looks. Someone please tell me it's not true or I'm going to roll over and die laughing.

Johnny is pulling stuff out of thin air or his rear end, I'm not sure which, because nothing he's saying about how PGI is going to do things is from anything Russ or anyone else at PGI said or implied, especially all the Solaris stuff and his que statements.

Johnny, we HAD 2-4 man teams in the Solo que for a while, AND a Group que that didn't allow them. The Sol que players screamed such a fit about getting STOMPED constantly by the 2-4 groups that they were moved to the Group que. Please do try and get YOUR facts straight and stop telling us the history of whatever fantasy land you are playing in, ok, thanks, appreciate it.

And we won't see 2 mans in the Solo que for that exact reason, Solo players ALREADY scream and cry about getting stomped when it's just solo players, they already showed they'll whine and cry when 2-4 man teams are allowed in the Solo que, so much so that 2 mans weren't allowed to stay in the Solo que, they were moved to the group que with the 3-4 mans because the SOLO PLAYER DEMANDED IT!

This has literally been an issue since this game was in CB, we had thread after thread of SOLO players demeaning the group players before we could DROP as groups, it was NOT the groups doing that, it was the solo players. There were and still occasionally are, demands to make using TeamSpeak or any other voice comm software BANNABLE! That's not a joke either, it's happened multiple times in this game's lifespan already. We have THAT anti-social of a solo playerbase in this game, and they've been catered to a LOT more than many of you realize. VOIP took so long to come about because of this playerbase being so rabid about any tools that allow teamwork or any teamwork being shown by anyone, this is not hyperbole or exaggeration boys and girls, it's the HISTORY of MWO, it's real, we STILL have those rabid anti-teamwork players in our community, they are seen right here in this thread.

I personally say they've been catered to far too damn much, team oriented game after all, just HOW much say should the people who refuse to use teamwork and demand it's use be punished have in the game?

[IraqiWalker]

Kristov Kerensky, on 29 June 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

Johnny is pulling stuff out of thin air or his rear end, I'm not sure which, because nothing he's saying about how PGI is going to do things is from anything Russ or anyone else at PGI said or implied, especially all the Solaris stuff and his que statements.

Johnny, we HAD 2-4 man teams in the Solo que for a while, AND a Group que that didn't allow them. The Sol que players screamed such a fit about getting STOMPED constantly by the 2-4 groups that they were moved to the Group que. Please do try and get YOUR facts straight and stop telling us the history of whatever fantasy land you are playing in, ok, thanks, appreciate it.

And we won't see 2 mans in the Solo que for that exact reason, Solo players ALREADY scream and cry about getting stomped when it's just solo players, they already showed they'll whine and cry when 2-4 man teams are allowed in the Solo que, so much so that 2 mans weren't allowed to stay in the Solo que, they were moved to the group que with the 3-4 mans because the SOLO PLAYER DEMANDED IT!

This has literally been an issue since this game was in CB, we had thread after thread of SOLO players demeaning the group players before we could DROP as groups, it was NOT the groups doing that, it was the solo players. There were and still occasionally are, demands to make using TeamSpeak or any other voice comm software BANNABLE! That's not a joke either, it's happened multiple times in this game's lifespan already. We have THAT anti-social of a solo playerbase in this game, and they've been catered to a LOT more than many of you realize. VOIP took so long to come about because of this playerbase being so rabid about any tools that allow teamwork or any teamwork being shown by anyone, this is not hyperbole or exaggeration boys and girls, it's the HISTORY of MWO, it's real, we STILL have those rabid anti-teamwork players in our community, they are seen right here in this thread.

I personally say they've been catered to far too damn much, team oriented game after all, just HOW much say should the people who refuse to use teamwork and demand it's use be punished have in the game?

I can vouch for literally all of this.