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[Damien Tokala]

Lord Perversor, on 01 July 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

Wich almost everyone would agree with you aside the fact almost none of the Hero mechs are blatantly Superior to almost any other mech ingame.

In fact the few good Hero mechs.. are so because they draw advantages from the normal Chassis like the Misery-Stalker

DO NOT forget that SRM spam huggin.... Dear God I hate that thing...

[Wildstreak]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

So the threads of new players saying p2w and friends talking to me why they left aren't reasons?

people preception is exactly that a perception and people don't need any proof to come up a perception.

As for proof, look how the timber release and OPness was handled and that it nerf also happened to occur when the next suppose OP heavy was coming out the Ebon Jaguar.

Have you forgetten so quickly? did u really need a recap?

Those threads have no proof backing up their claims.
People have left for piles of other reasons way more important than this non-issue.
Perception is not often truth.
Timber nerf? They nerfed one variant, wow, if that has your Mech panties in a bunch, you need help.
If you think people need recaps, clearly you don't look at how long they have been in the community. You seem to need a cap though.

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Phoenix release, Phoenic Hawk, Hands and above the IS mech at the time and still a chassis no one has a bad word about.
Wave I and II
Sorry if you where late to the boat but the storm crow had alwaysbeen the best mech tonne for tonne and best medium mech period even before laser vomit.
Timberwolf, i don't understand your point, your agreeing with me on that one? ok, yeah it's op, still is
Whale, it';s the whale OP yes, so again your proving my point.
Only the hellbringer in wave II, still proves my point it's op and getting early access was an advantage.
Panther's ppc quirks are god like, no advantage there now, ok i'm be sarcastic, oh course the panther is proving my point, it's the best pop tarting IS light there is, more over spider.
and you also pointed out the ebon jaguar

SHADOW Hawk (you claim to know what you are talking about but cannot get the Mech name right) was good but not OP. Other Mechs in Phoenix became good long after they were released for CB.

Nope, Stormcrow has not always been the best even after release.
Timber Wolf, no big deal to me.
Both have not been nerfed, they have traded Lasers for cACs or Streaks.

Dire Wolf, the dakka versions have and are still problems but it took time for them to show up.

Hellbringer is not OP, if not for ECM it would not even get a serious look. Only point here would be ECM is OP, not the Mech, just look at how much people demanded to get the Griffin-2N and Cataphract-0XP.

PPC Panthers are not that great.

Ebon Jaguar might get a nerf, I thought it would but not too sure it needs a big one anymore.

Nope, looks like you still have nothing.

[Alan Davion]

Kristov Kerensky, on 01 July 2015 - 10:46 AM, said:

Hades, once again, I'll try and explain this in simple terms so you understand, even though it's failed to work to date...

Pay To Win OR Pay For Power ONLY works if the objects bought are ONLY capable of being gotten in the game via real world cash purchases.

That's it, the ONLY way those actually work is that way, nothing else.

Since EVERY single Mech in the Mech packages, including the exclusive(whatever) VARIANTS can be purchased using ingame earned cbills later on makes the entire argument NULL AND VOID!

I know you have issues understanding this, and I know ALL your friends who've left the game ONLY left for this very reason, so they obviously don't understand either. How many of your friends are we talking about anyway, you never give any numbers, just allusions to 'them'...

Can we get a translator or something to get over to Hade's house and explain all this for him?

Bolded for reference.

This is actually incorrect. The exclusive (F), (P), (I), ( R ) and now the (O) variants cannot be obtained except by buying the associated pack for real money.

The generic 'base' model of those same exclusive mechs can be bought for C-Bills. The Panther 10K for example. The ( R ) model is available only through that associated package from the store.

The generic model is available for C-Bills without the unique geometry, paint job, colors and C-Bill bonus.

[Water Bear]

When this thread had only like 6 replies I thought it would die soon O.o

[Damien Tokala]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Bolded for reference.

This is actually incorrect. The exclusive (F), (P), (I), ( R ) and now the (O) variants cannot be obtained except by buying the associated pack for real money.

The generic 'base' model of those same exclusive mechs can be bought for C-Bills. The Panther 10K for example. The ( R ) model is available only through that associated package from the store.

The generic model is available for C-Bills without the unique geometry, paint job, colors and C-Bill bonus.

You forgot (G) and (S) variants

[Water Bear]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

DO NOT forget that SRM spam huggin.... Dear God I hate that thing...

And the Grid Iron.

[Lord Perversor]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

DO NOT forget that SRM spam huggin.... Dear God I hate that thing...

Yep i edited the post and added ******** quirks but you was faster than me

[Damien Tokala]

Also IF YOU CANT NAME THE ONLY EXISTING (S) VARIANT, YOU HAVE NO PLACE HERE

[Alan Davion]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

You forgot (G) and (S) variants

Because the Gold or (G) variants are so bloody rare as to be almost non-existant, and the Urbanmechs have not yet been made available for C-Bills, hence why I did not use them in my post.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Bolded for reference.

This is actually incorrect. The exclusive (F), (P), (I), ( R ) and now the (O) variants cannot be obtained except by buying the associated pack for real money.

The generic 'base' model of those same exclusive mechs can be bought for C-Bills. The Panther 10K for example. The ( R ) model is available only through that associated package from the store.

The generic model is available for C-Bills without the unique geometry, paint job, colors and C-Bill bonus.

That was why I said the VARIANTS, because the exclusive model variant is cbill purchase Mech, you just don't get the special geometry and cbill bonus (whatever) exclusive model itself. It's a non-issue in other words, as that variant can be bought for cbills, it's identical in hardpoints and function, just has a different model due to missing the extra parts the (*) model had added to them.

Hero Mechs are something I'll have to concede CAN be considered P2W or P4P since the addition of quirks. Prior to quirks, no, they weren't, they were often subpar, but the quirks...yeah. Grid Iron and Hugin are both powerful, but I can't really say they are P2W/P4P to be fair, close, pushing the limit there, we'll have to wait and see what the balance pass coming does for those over all before I can really make a call myself.

I expect that between the HSR fixes and the balance pass coming, we'll be seeing a LOT of reworking going on with Mechs and quirks.

[Damien Tokala]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

Because the Gold or (G) variants are so bloody rare as to be almost non-existant, and the Urbanmechs have not yet been made available for C-Bills, hence why I did not use them in my post.

The (S) is not for urbanmech, it is for sarahs Jenner.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

The (S) is not for urbanmech, it is for sarahs Jenner.

And its not a P2W or P4P, it's a P2C Mech, Pay 2 Cure, which is something I have NO EFFING PROBLEMS with PGI doing again as often as possible.

Anyone who does can just take a long walk out an airlock.

[Damien Tokala]

I wish I could have had the chance to get a sarahs Jenner, but at the time I was without a computer capable of mwo, the one I had during closed beta got destroyed from a ceiling collapse.

[Parnage Winters]

Release a series of mechs no one can access without paying cash for several months.

These mechs regardless of strength leaves a sour taste in most people who have common sense or merely remember when they limited this exclusivity to something more reasonable such as a week or two.

You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day. They used to do it in a much more player friendly manner, now they don't. People have every right to call them out on it as they continue to pump out mech packs while numerous issues the community see as problems are said to be done Soon™

Website is awful and out of date? Mech Packs.
CW is meh and unfun to a majority of players? Mech Packs.
People want a tutorial? Mech Packs.
New mechlab? Well we tried, have some mech packs.


I think people would tolerate these things more if the more important things got done along with them but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Haji1096]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

There making money and doing in a manner that doesn't come across as dubious at best.

How can they claim this is a F2P game when they market advantages, real or just forseen, such as early access.

Some of these mechs have been completely OP and how it was handled was a really poorly done. The marketing team on this game suck so badly i can't imagine there anything but just out of high school.

Even if it wasn't the plan look at that timing with the nerf of the timber and the release of the Ebon Jaguar. Worst possible handling ever.

An people wonder why there is a cloud of P2W over this game.

Perception is real in the eyes of the beholder, so even if mechs in waves now aren't OP, the impression that has been given is there is bound to be 1 mech in each wave thats easy OP. That impression has been given to them by PGI or are we going to keep blaming IGP?

PGI wake up to yourself, this current format of pack marketing is going to kill you on steam, someone needs to wake and smell the roses and realise this game could grow into one of the best games ever but in a growth stage like this, all where gonna get with a steam release atm is a complete negatives reviews and a p2w label.

I disagree with your assertion.

Urbanmech Pack (1 Mech): P2W Mech: None

Overlord Pack (4 mechs): P2W Mech: Shadow Hawk

Resistance Pack (4 mechs) : P2W Mech: Possibly Zeus.

Resistance Pack II (4 mechs): Unknown

Clan Wave III (4 mechs): Unknown P2W Mech: Possibly Ebon Jaguar

Clan Wave II (4 mechs): P2W Mech: Loki

Clan Pack (8 mechs): P2W Mechs: Stormcrow, Timber Wolf


That's 28 mechs released in packs you could classify four mechs as meta altering, possibly six if you want to be generous. PGI has to offer mechs that play differently so that people actually buy the packs. From a cynical perspective, yes powerful mechs are released for money, people pay for early access then they are nerfed when it comes along for c-bills.

However, I don't feel like other team having mechs I didn't pay for (EBJ, Executioner, Stormcrow, TBR) to get early access to biases a particular game towards winning or losing. I don't think new players will give up on the game because its P2W or Pay for early access. I think they will give up the game because of its steep learning curve and no easy way to drop with a buddy without dropping against group queue players.

[Damien Tokala]

Haji1096, on 01 July 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

I disagree with your assertion.

Urbanmech Pack (1 Mech): P2W Mech: None

Overlord Pack (4 mechs): P2W Mech: Shadow Hawk

Resistance Pack (4 mechs) : P2W Mech: Possibly Zeus.

Resistance Pack II (4 mechs): Unknown

Clan Wave III (4 mechs): Unknown P2W Mech: Possibly Ebon Jaguar

Clan Wave II (4 mechs): P2W Mech: Loki

Clan Pack (8 mechs): P2W Mechs: Stormcrow, Timber Wolf


That's 28 mechs released in packs you could classify four mechs as meta altering, possibly six if you want to be generous. PGI has to offer mechs that play differently so that people actually buy the packs. From a cynical perspective, yes powerful mechs are released for money, people pay for early access then they are nerfed when it comes along for c-bills.

However, I don't feel like other team having mechs I didn't pay for (EBJ, Executioner, Stormcrow, TBR) to get early access to biases a particular game towards winning or losing. I don't think new players will give up on the game because its P2W or Pay for early access. I think they will give up the game because of its steep learning curve and no easy way to drop with a buddy without dropping against group queue players.

I want to like this a thousand times, because Holy crap, truth.

[Rushmoar]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Bolded for reference.

This is actually incorrect. The exclusive (F), (P), (I), ( R ) and now the (O) variants cannot be obtained except by buying the associated pack for real money.

The generic 'base' model of those same exclusive mechs can be bought for C-Bills. The Panther 10K for example. The ( R ) model is available only through that associated package from the store.

The generic model is available for C-Bills without the unique geometry, paint job, colors and C-Bill bonus.

I totally agree with you but when has cosmetic items ever given anyone any advantages the battle field. I total support those variant given to the people that support the game so I can keep playing MWO through their support.

But as for the pay 4 power argument, give me a break. Is the Mist lynx op? How about the Summoner? See those guys every where right? Oh, I Forgot about the Urbie. The definition of an OP mech. Only 3 clan mechs are concidered top dogs and we know what they are and why they are that way. But they are not invincible. And the Ebon Jag is not one of them. Most die to CT damage.

Pay 4 power is a joke. It's early access period. If you don't want to pay cash and can't wait for them to be released for C-bills, that on you. With over 150 mech variant out now, you think only new mechs will be the best? Hades, go complaine about Heroes then because they are the ones that will never be available for C-bills.

And people forget that some basic variants are still purchased with MC which isn't free. Is this pay 4 power?

EDIT: It is pay 4 shiny.

Edited by Rushmoar, 01 July 2015 - 11:35 AM.

[Alan Davion]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

The (S) is not for urbanmech, it is for sarahs Jenner.

My UM-R63(S) would like a word with you.

[Alan Davion]

Parnage, on 01 July 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

Release a series of mechs no one can access without paying cash for several months.

These mechs regardless of strength leaves a sour taste in most people who have common sense or merely remember when they limited this exclusivity to something more reasonable such as a week or two.

You can make all the excuses you want but at the end of the day. They used to do it in a much more player friendly manner, now they don't. People have every right to call them out on it as they continue to pump out mech packs while numerous issues the community see as problems are said to be done Soon™

Website is awful and out of date? Mech Packs.
CW is meh and unfun to a majority of players? Mech Packs.
People want a tutorial? Mech Packs.
New mechlab? Well we tried, have some mech packs.

I think people would tolerate these things more if the more important things got done along with them but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Ever think that, oh, maybe PGI needs the money from the pack sales in order to pay for work on improving the game?

That upcoming, top-to-bottom balance fix planned for August? Wouldn't be happening if people had stopped paying for the mech packs as they come out.

[Damien Tokala]

Alan Davion, on 01 July 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

My UM-R63(S) would like a word with you.

That little sucker has an (S) tag? Guess I learned something new.

Also I got a joke for you

What did the Lance say to the urbanmech that fell down a hill?

DO A BARREL ROLL