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[Skadi]

you know what im not thinking here

transformers ftw.
everyone voting transformers inferior are people who only watched the michael gay movies.
(PS im pretty sure he moves faster than a AC, despite his size and what seems as slow lol)

Edited by Skadi, 04 July 2012 - 08:59 PM.

[Jekrump]

Catamount, on 04 July 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Afraid not; the locust is about 5kph too slow even with a MASC, and unlike the Zero, it'll overheat in seconds. Besides, the Zero base config isn't the fastest zoid (a lightning saix is capable of 325kph, the Zero Jager 330kph).

And still not as fast as a reasonable AC using Overboost. not even counting the Vangaurd overboost which lasts several minutes at speeds >1000kph

don't know how to embed vid's, also forgive the horrible quality and the Japanese, but this vid shows how AC is superior, notice the speed in the right upper.

Edited by Jekrump, 04 July 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Heck even most medium and Light AC's get into 350-500kph with just basic boosters alone for long periods of time.

And they can FRICKING FLY AND SIDESTEPBOOST.

[Skadi]

Catamount, on 04 July 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Afraid not; the locust is about 5kph too slow even with a MASC, and unlike the Zero, it'll overheat in seconds. Besides, the Zero base config isn't the fastest zoid (a lightning saix is capable of 325kph, the Zero Jager 330kph).



I'd be curious to see what evidence you're referencing to draw that conclusion. BT certainly isn't going to come remotely close in terms of firepower, let alone agility, Transforers are able to be damaged by low kilojoule-range weaponry if we're taking the films into consideration, and I'm not seeing a curb stomp against terrajoule range weapons and high-level agility at hundreds of kph from most of these other franchises either (most not necessarily meaning all)

i dont take the new films into consideration, hell no, see my above video.

[Zakatak]

Ah, the glories of soft-sci magic.

I watched a few Transformer cartoons as a kid, but I don't really remember them. But I don't remember the cartoon Autobots being any better then the BayBots. The giant Decipticon transformer in TF2 (that was tearing down pyramids) got completely sliced in half by a 25-50 megajoule railgun. The standard Battletech gauss rifle clocks in at 360MJ (mid-range estimate), and the heavy gauss clocking at about 500MJ (so Faffy can fire a full giga). Regardless of how mobile a Transformer is, the moment a Battlemech sets its sights on one with anything bigger then an AC/5, transformer is dead.

Edited by Zakatak, 04 July 2012 - 09:01 PM.

[Jekrump]

My point is that even an Average AC can take down most of the other franchises "bests" they're just too fast to hit, carry ANY kind of weapons and have shields. if you voted Warhammer... those are the size of things the AC's are best at ha.

[Skadi]

Jekrump, on 04 July 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

My point is that even an Average AC can take down most of the other franchises "bests" they're just too fast to hit, carry ANY kind of weapons and have shields. if you voted Warhammer... those are the size of things the AC's are best at ha.

i voted warhammer but changed it when i remembered mr.unicron. *points to above post again*

[The Demon Razgriz]

I don't even see how anyone thinks Gundam or Armored Core are weaker than any of the other listed mechs. Yes, they are a completely different type of mech, but they are way more powerful. Plus, it depends on what gundam series you are incuding/excluding. The Gundam 00 Raiser would obliterate pretty much anything. Its not really useful to compare these. And Zoids....... seriously? No.....just no. The world should forget about Zoids.

[Akaryu]

well battlemechs get the edge right out of the gate in actually having dedicated functions and some of the larger ones pack some serious firepower but gundams seem to have a slight edge in energy based technology and armored core mechs can be frighteningly agile.

[Jekrump]

There should be another poll on here about what would be the most plausible with current technology, in that regard I'd have to say VT's (they suck, but run without computers and just kinda put put along)

again, basing it off of the new game with kinect. don't know anything about the older Veets.

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

i voted warhammer but changed it when i remembered mr.unicron. *points to above post again*

He may be faster, but I'm sure he couldn't change direction anywhere near as fast as an AC could. Momentum FTW =D

Edited by Jekrump, 04 July 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Did we mention all the pilots for NEXT type Armored Cores are psychic?

[Akaryu]

Jekrump, on 04 July 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

There should be another poll on here about what would be the most plausible with current technology, in that regard I'd have to say VT's (they suck, but run without computers and just kinda put put along)

again, basing it off of the new game with kinect. don't know anything about the older Veets.

well within a couple decades something like the mackie might be possible

[Zakatak]

Jekrump, on 04 July 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

There should be another poll on here about what would be the most plausible with current technology, in that regard I'd have to say VT's (they suck, but run without computers and just kinda put put along)

again, basing it off of the new game with kinect. don't know anything about the older Veets.

They are slow as hell too. They move like 40k Warhounds but have the firepower of a BTech 25 tonner. Definetly the bottom tier. Although playing them is fun as hell, they beat even MW3 in immersion factor for sure.

I'll admit that I knew nothing about Armored Core before this thread. They aren't very far in the future so how good could they possibly be? Answer: Holy ****. But Gundam can fly into space and cut space stations in half with swords, can't they?

Edited by Zakatak, 04 July 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[Catamount]

Zakatak, on 04 July 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

They are slow as hell too. They move like 40k Warhounds but have the firepower of a BTech 25 tonner. Definetly the bottom tier.

I'll admit that I knew nothing about Armored Core before this thread. They aren't very far in the future so how good could they possibly be? Answer: Holy ****. But Gundam can fly into space and cut space stations in half with swords, can't they?

Yeah, I have to concede that AC should be able to more or less plaster anything here

[Skadi]

Jekrump, on 04 July 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

He may be faster, but I'm sure he couldn't change direction anywhere near as fast as an AC could. Momentum FTW =D

i doubt they could out manuver him in space and he would just pimp slap the planet it they were still on it (i dont think they can go fast enough to escape the sunction either if he was eating the planet, anything slower than him is ******)

Vulpesveritas, on 04 July 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Did we mention all the pilots for NEXT type Armored Cores are psychic?

hard to read the mind of a robot.

[Jekrump]

But Skadi, Unicron isn't a typical transformer, he's like a god to them. take a typical/average from any of these types of robots, put them all in a 1v1 I'd put my money on AC's, but to be fair, I haven't seen any Gundams aside from the games where they move super slow. I did a wikipedia and it seems many just have some sort of energy sword... so close range only?

I still say AC's kick everythings ***.

[Vulpesveritas]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

i doubt they could out manuver him in space and he would just pimp slap the planet it they were still on it (i dont think they can go fast enough to escape the sunction either if he was eating the planet, anything slower than him is ******)


hard to read the mind of a robot.

Hard to hit something able to in all practicality teleport 100 meters at a time side to side.

Zakatak, on 04 July 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

They are slow as hell too. They move like 40k Warhounds but have the firepower of a BTech 25 tonner. Definetly the bottom tier. Although playing them is fun as hell, they beat even MW3 in immersion factor for sure.

I'll admit that I knew nothing about Armored Core before this thread. They aren't very far in the future so how good could they possibly be? Answer: Holy ****. But Gundam can fly into space and cut space stations in half with swords, can't they?

Armored core has Fujima enhanced particle blades which can more or less do the same thing, and if the maps had allowed for it you could have boosted into space, but they made it so you exit the battle area if you boost too high in AC... otherwise the moon would be quite lovely.

[Skadi]

Vulpesveritas, on 04 July 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Hard to hit something able to in all practicality teleport 100 meters at a time side to side.

Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself.^[1][2] Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an ever changing, evolving map of the multiverse.^[3] With these abilities at his disposal, Unicron has thus far devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes. ^[
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unicron

[Vulpesveritas]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself.^[1][2] Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an ever changing, evolving map of the multiverse.^[3] With these abilities at his disposal, Unicron has thus far devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes. ^[
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unicron

So basically they would be looking at each other's possible futures and hence be down to trying to outmanuver each other, while the NEXT pilot looks for a way to escape with their life unless said pilot has a hero complex.
Though given he is basically a god type entity in the transformers universe, perhaps it would be more fair to pit a couple dozen NEXT pilots and an army of NORMALs against him. Pretty even playing field if you ask me.

[Zakatak]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself.^[1][2] Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an ever changing, evolving map of the multiverse.^[3] With these abilities at his disposal, Unicron has thus far devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes. ^[
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unicron

We can make a Unicron vs. Xeelee thread later, mmmkay?

FYI, I'm talking about original Steel Battalion or Line of Contact VT's, not the Heavy Armor variety that doesn't have computers. I'm pretty sure an M1A2 Abrams could smoke one of those things all by its lonesome.

Edited by Zakatak, 04 July 2012 - 09:28 PM.