I know this will be interpreted as Mechwarrior bias, and it probably is, but I'm going to stand up for Battletech here.
"Transformers are highly agile, sentient creatures, and would be impossible for mechs to hit."
Transformers, from what I've seen in both the Bay movies and cartoons, are not very powerful. Your average transformer won't be having any guns bigger then 10MJ, with very few exceptions like Optimus watercannon that blasts **** to the moon (lolwut). They also take damage from modern, non-specialized, human weaponry (even infantry weapons occasionally). Heavy Battlemechs can dish out between 250-500MJ of energy per second (my best estimate), quite a bit more then any modern US Navy battlecruiser could. Going back to the agility, I don't see what makes them any harder to hit then Elementals and Battlearmor. They are bigger then Elementals, big enough to appear on radar, and can't zip 180m into the air (unless they transform, in which case they aren't mecha anymore). Mechs can definetly kill Elementals, and they could certainly kill ones the size of a light mech.
"Warhound, the smallest Titan, could stomp on even an Atlas, and they weigh 4 times as much. They have mega-bolters and shields too."
Power estimates on those Mega Bolters and other weapons? I don't see them being much superior to the RAC/5, which is basically the same thing. Also, they move about 42kph at top speed, and have a crew of between 5-12, all trying to command the same clunky piece of hardware. Unless it is going up against an Annihilator or Urbanmech, I don't think it could "stomp" anything because most mechs are twice as fast as a Warhound. Not to mention that a single pilot manning a machine with synthetic muscles would be alot more fluid then a mech with 10 crew trying to power something full of actuators. Also, regarding shields. I don't get why shields = win. Mastur Cheef has shields, Elementals don't, so Cheef will never die because he has shields! How powerful are these void shields? They have problems with sustaining under constant fire, and missile massacre is what Battletech does best. Some sources say that Void Shields are "impenetrable barriers", but alot more suggest you can walk right through them. Aside from MG nests on the feet of bigger Titans, what defense does a Titan have against a Raven that snuck between its legs? The Warhound has 95mm of "Plasteel" (mass of plastic, strength of steel?) while a Leopard 2 has 400mm of nanocrystalline armor (or just Chobham Armor) on the front of the main turret. So... would this mean that the 21st century Leopard is several times stronger then the mighty Titan?
Armored Core flattens ******* everything.
I pretty much believe you hear, after what I've read and seen. But lets discuss these AC's a bit more (not the magical NEXT versions with psychics). They zoom around at 1000kph, more agile then anything ever made ever ever ever. But how powerful are the guns and how thick is the armor? As previously stated, Battlemechs definetly have high megajoule class weaponry that the games always seem to downplay, and ablative armor (something Star Trek didn't have til DS9, lawl). I've already stated my position regarding shields on mechs. If a Battlemech with a decent pilot and a targetting computer managed to pick an Armored Core out of the sky with a pair of ERPPC's, what would happen? Would it crumple to the ground, or just continue doing a 1 trillion g circle strafe around the mech while the shields laugh it off? Some mechs are specifically designed for killing low-flying ASF's, and some planes in Battletech can do Mach 4 at sealevel.
New contest for more "balance":
- Clan Invasion-era Omnimechs
- Line of Contact VT's
- ACV armored cores
- Gundam 00/original mobile suits
Go.
Edited by Zakatak, 05 July 2012 - 03:13 PM.
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Scilya, on 04 July 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:
