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[That Dawg]

Cause I just witnessed the freakiest thing.
A running, perfect headshot, not ballistic, medium laser, stayed on the guys head, and boom, went down, head gone.
Must be real, just lucky, right?

[Escef]

And your answer is to complain on the forums and NOT file a support ticket?

[Sigilum Sanctum]

I wish people would just ******* stop talking about it and just file support tickets.

The more you talk about it, the more exposure it gets, the more people convince themselves they can cheat and get away with it.

Seriously, stop talking about it.

[Davegt27]

Russ did talk about it in the town hall meeting

Basically he said that just because you don’t see ban list all the time does not mean they are not catching them

Some cheaters they keep so they can try different stuff on them

He did say some or one (can't remember) players that are cheating are so bad the cheats are not helping them (I thought that was pretty funny)

Top players that cheat are of course a different story

[Grommen]

Got my first head shot the other day. Was not aiming at the head. Was running, and it was a long shot.

Sometimes the dumb get lucky bro.

Or they cheat.

Also think I fired two AC20 rounds through a mech last night.

It is a scarry, weird world out their.

[darkkterror]

You can't fix cheating. New cheats will be developed to counteract the whatever anti-cheat mechanisms the devs put in. It's a constant battle.

[Antares102]

Not every bloody heatshot is an indication for cheating.

After all I guess it was a bad idea to publically admit the existance of cheats and name shame cheaters.
When Soy made his video about cheats you actually had to find it first.
But with cheaters being banned making headlines on PGI News everybody knows about it now.
It just bloated this issue and every N00b and his 10 year old brother are now accusing
everybody of cheating as soon as they got shot out of their mech too quickly.

Everybody is seeing cheats behind every corner now.
Bad trend fellows, bad trend...

Edited by Antares102, 05 July 2015 - 08:30 AM.

[Escef]

Antares102, on 05 July 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

Not every bloody heatshot is an indication for cheating.

After all I guess it was a bad idea to publically admit the existance of cheats and name shame cheaters.
When Soy made his video about cheats you actually had to find it first.
But with cheaters being banned making headlines on PGI News everybody knows about it now.
It just bloated this issue and every N00b and his 10 year old brother are now accusing
everybody of cheating as soon as they got shot out of their mech too quickly.

Everybody is seeing cheats behind every corner now.
Bad trend fellows, bad trend...

People were crying about it before PGI did anything public. PGI decided to go public because they were tired of people trying to tell them they were doing nothing, both in an effort to shut up the whiners and assuage whatever legit fears people may have had.

People are ALWAYS going to whine that whatever kills them is over powered, and that whenever they get killed by a good shot that the other guy is cheating. Because we know all the legit players are invincible and possess godlike skill.

[Antares102]

Escef, on 05 July 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

People were crying about it before PGI did anything public. PGI decided to go public because they were tired of people trying to tell them they were doing nothing, both in an effort to shut up the whiners and assuage whatever legit fears people may have had.

People are ALWAYS going to whine that whatever kills them is over powered, and that whenever they get killed by a good shot that the other guy is cheating. Because we know all the legit players are invincible and possess godlike skill.

And the current situation we have on our hands now is better how exactly?
After making this issue public the whining went from "anybody killing me MIGHT have cheats" to "anybody killing me DEFENITLY got cheats because PGI confirmed them". Making it public didn't stop the whining it reinforced it.
It just showed the whiners that they were always right, reassuring their fear and convert the whining to outright crying.

Edited by Antares102, 05 July 2015 - 08:56 AM.

[Mad Porthos]

I am not a "good" player. I am not a 1337 player, but I'm experienced. I'm getting flack about cheating or hax fairly often now. Apparently I cannot win, without it being a cheat. That dynamic or atmosphere was fostered by the confirmation of cheating and the implementation of the Ban List.

Previous to taking that step, it was one of those situations where someone who felt they were really doing well, who then suddenly got bopped on the nose with a rolled up newspaper might go (my killing them)...oh, man I guess I over extended, or got carried away, was doing so well I ceased to be careful and that's when they got me. Now though, that same person seems more likely to go "NO WAY, I was on a roll, no one could stop me, HAXXX!".

Most recent time on my mind, I was running an ac2x2 panther. The 10-P. Had my leg shot out from under me by an ECM Hellbringer, but I have full jump jets and actually put the speed retention module on it, for all the minor good it does. Got into a chat fray, the Hellbringer pilot calling utter hax on my part and saying, "Madporthos is a cheater, he's running aimbot and hax." Three more times that evening, I dropped with the same guy and in the ALL channel, he said the same thing. Eh, well you live with the slings and arrows, right?

Thing is, only thing I did was shoot his cockpit out with those AC2s and I tried to talk the guy down out of this after a few additional drops while he was spamming the all channel with his rage. Now anyone who plays, knows that a cockpit doesn't have much armor. 18 maximum, plus 15 internals. This guy's hellbringer, despite ecm, was close enough to me that I got a read on his damage and armor locations, when he got jammed by someone else's BAP. Saw that his cockpit armor was already damaged and he was staring at me. Since 2xac2 do 4 damage per press, I figured all I really had a chance of doing was piercing the orange armor and maybe continuing on his internals on the cockpit. That's all I did. Spamming AC2 fire direct to that sorta bulbous hellbringer cockpit, working for dead center - and swaying my aimpoint to figure where the actual cockpit panel was. Cause my leg had been alpha'd out, I was jump jetting straight up, then cutting JJ to get stability for the AC2 shots. That's how I cockpitted the guy. Anyone with a bit of focus could do it.

Before the Ban List, there was a good bit of "mystery" and people could say nah, consider the situation oh guy who thinks he was cheated out of a kill or haxxed, there's no need for cheating when it's quite possible for cockpit shots to take you out, especially when you are being flummoxed and dazed by the constant impact flash and explosions on your viewscreen. Apparently though, that's cheating now, since some confirmation has come through that it CAN exist. It's a pity. A great pity.

I played this game through thick and thin, crappy net code, HSR introduction, ups and downs, tweaking of missiles, ecm, introduction of clans, quirk all this and that, and play only inner sphere mechs never having delved into the Timby and Stormcrows. I've relished victories in locusts against Atlai, Banshees and Timberwolves. A hard mech to win in has been a challenge and while piloting suboptimal mechs keeps my stats pretty mediocre, I wasn't playing for them. But it gets irritating knowing that the grind and difficulty I overcame in learning this game and sticking with it, is something that newer players are going to call hax on - and ultimately may leave the game over, rather than buckling down and learning to thrive in any mech and accept their many many losses.

It's a pity I say again, because I think publicly acknowledging the actual hacking, rather than simply issuing the bans and remaining mum, has been counter productive in encouraging the maturation of newer players into veterans. Plenty will now just say, oh the game is rife with hax, because I LOST, rather than sticking with it long enough to see the depths of the game and a maturation of their play style. That is a pity.

[Antares102]

Mad Porthos, on 05 July 2015 - 08:59 AM, said:

I am not a "good" player. I am not a 1337 player, but I'm experienced. I'm getting flack about cheating or hax fairly often now. Apparently I cannot win, without it being a cheat. That dynamic or atmosphere was fostered by the confirmation of cheating and the implementation of the Ban List.

Last sentence are my words exactly.

Edited by Antares102, 05 July 2015 - 09:02 AM.

[Escef]

Antares102, on 05 July 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

And the current situation we have on our hands now is better how exactly?
After making this issue public the whining went from "anybody killing me MIGHT have cheats" to "anybody killing me DEFENITLY got cheats because PGI confirmed them". Making it public didn't stop the whining it reinforced it.
It just showed the whiners that they were always right, reassuring their fear and convert the whining to outright crying.

The accusations were commonplace enough beforehand. Do a search of these forums if you don't believe me. And if someone in-game accuses you of cheating just tell them that they can report suspected cheating to support@mwomercs.com. That usually shuts them up. And if it doesn't, let them whine. It's almost a compliment, they're saying you're doing so good that you simply MUST be cheating.

[That Dawg]

I think a panty check is in order.
I haven't seen anyone post accusations of hacking/cheating in any game/battle/pug/CW I've played in months. I WILL see something like "FU nice shot" or similar but thats acknowledgement of superior skills. Albeit mad, but kudos.

and dont talk about it? wheres the bwahahahaha smiley, seriously.
Maybe a forum approved what we can talk about list then?


lets see....

That Dawg, on 05 July 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Cause I just witnessed the freakiest thing.
A running, perfect headshot, not ballistic, medium laser, stayed on the guys head, and boom, went down, head gone.
Must be real, just lucky, right?

hmm, read it again... was fairly clear to me.

I think if you're getting accused often of cheating or hacking, even once a month, your ELO is likely just that low most of your team mates are new/inexperienced players then. Get better, you'll quit seeing it.
Dont take it wrong, I vaguely remember that starting out more than 2 1/2 years ago.

I did take screenshots, those show nothing really. Taking video...I can't run fraps each and every game, and save and log all that for one rare instance, seriously. Cheating at all has got to be a rare occurrence, they get weeded out quickly, dont you think?

[Goose]

Antares102, on 05 July 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

Not every bloody heatshot is an indication for cheating.

… But that's the way to bet.

Report all headshots; Don't waist bandwidth on the forum about it …

[Escef]

That Dawg, on 05 July 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

I did take screenshots, those show nothing really. Taking video...I can't run fraps each and every game, and save and log all that for one rare instance, seriously. Cheating at all has got to be a rare occurrence, they get weeded out quickly, dont you think?

But if you report the incident to support@mwomercs.com they can review the server logs for anything sketchy. I don't even understand why you started this thread in the first place.

[Escef]

Goose, on 05 July 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

… But that's the way to bet.

Report all headshots; Don't waist bandwidth on the forum about it …

Ha! I once cockpitted a dude in a nearly fresh Battlemaster with a twin AC20 snapshot. Neither of us really expected it, I didn't even realize I'd gotten a kill until several seconds later.

[Aim64C]

Huh.

When I die, I generally assume that I suck or gripe about being hit from behind by incoming fire from the front. Or I get upset with my team for standing around and letting the opfor learn to play hits across their armor to a specific musical tune. I swear, sometimes, the guys on the other side are calling targets and saying: "To Jingle Bells, this time, on the adder's mark!"

I'm also not even sure why anyone would want to hack. Headshots don't really grant much damage or much in the way of peripheral destruction to get points and credits from. A bot for the purpose of grinding makes much more sense than a headshot hack.

[Bishop Steiner]

That Dawg, on 05 July 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Cause I just witnessed the freakiest thing.
A running, perfect headshot, not ballistic, medium laser, stayed on the guys head, and boom, went down, head gone.
Must be real, just lucky, right?

cheating will never be "fixed" but is an ongoing battle between the hacks and the defenders. There will always be new attempts at cheating, and even old ways will be used by certain really dumb people, until caught.

Record, document, submit report to Support, then move on.

[Roadkill]

Escef, on 05 July 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

And if someone in-game accuses you of cheating just tell them that they can report suspected cheating to support@mwomercs.com. That usually shuts them up. And if it doesn't, let them whine. It's almost a compliment, they're saying you're doing so good that you simply MUST be cheating.

This. On those rare occasions that someone accuses me of cheating, I tell them that they should report me. I then inform them that PGI also keeps track of fraudulent reports.

THAT is almost guaranteed to shut them up.

[DaZur]

Like everything in life, there will be people who put forth more effort to circumvent the system in an effort to gain and edge rather than to apply that same effort to simply improving their skill level...

Thankfully, IMHO the percentage of these types of players seems to be at an all-time low after the last round of bann'aramma.

Remember: In MW:O it's favorable to be a snitch!