i think that cof needs to be proportional to vertical speed. so poptarting would require actually killing your vertical speed before firing, meaning you have to hover there abit to fire, thus making you vulnerable.
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Posted 12 July 2015 - 02:19 AM
Drasari, on 11 July 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:
I do not agree with you at all. Sorry. You can chalk it up to whatever you like, I think COF is a bad bad bad idea.
I do not need randomness added to my ability to hit moving Mechs whilst moving myself. Now some form of shake when running hot I am OK with.
Please fire 100 rounds at a target and tell me there isn't a CoF. Unless you can put 99 bullets through the first hole... CoF.
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Posted 12 July 2015 - 03:11 AM
Well, as for CoF and reality.
Any ballistic-type weapon have CoF even when it is ultimately fixed to ground (sport rifles should have 0.2 mm spread on 50 m target to be considered high class). This CoF has nothing to do with barrel stabilization etc. Even with fixed to 1/28 gran powder weights and hand calibered bullets still provide differences in initial bullet velocity and angular speed. Plus truly random (thats physics) influences of truly non-uniform air and semi-random winds will annd to that general CoF. A shooter can compesate for wind as he sees it (and present day software, which by the way greatly surpasses what we have in BT, can try to do that), but there is almost no way to compensate for shell quality. From-the-shelf sport cartriges for sport rifles for a random barrel produce 0.5-5.0 mm deivation on the target depending on your luck. Now anyeone tell me the chances to have high-precision AC-5 barrel with hand-picked high-precision shells (on average 1 out of 100 from large stock) in a standart military conditions. Or just tell me ratio between ordinary assault rifles and sniper rifles in general army.
Plus something about actual tank guns were said in similar thread about half a year ago by actual tank gunner.
About CoF for lasers... there are no lasers that do not experience difraction. There is even photon-on-photon scatering making laser beam spread even in vacuum. The more energy is concentrated in small volume of any medium, the stronger are nonlinear effects and scattering. So, strictly saying, the real-world laser will show spread, This is not a CoF, but actual spread, making it like a flashlight with very ight beam. But it's still not pinpoint.
And in general to aim multiple independent barrels to the same point in 1 km... It is possible, but only for stationary target for stationary barrels over some time. If such aiming was easy, then there were no sence in desining corrected and guided munitions.
Any ballistic-type weapon have CoF even when it is ultimately fixed to ground (sport rifles should have 0.2 mm spread on 50 m target to be considered high class). This CoF has nothing to do with barrel stabilization etc. Even with fixed to 1/28 gran powder weights and hand calibered bullets still provide differences in initial bullet velocity and angular speed. Plus truly random (thats physics) influences of truly non-uniform air and semi-random winds will annd to that general CoF. A shooter can compesate for wind as he sees it (and present day software, which by the way greatly surpasses what we have in BT, can try to do that), but there is almost no way to compensate for shell quality. From-the-shelf sport cartriges for sport rifles for a random barrel produce 0.5-5.0 mm deivation on the target depending on your luck. Now anyeone tell me the chances to have high-precision AC-5 barrel with hand-picked high-precision shells (on average 1 out of 100 from large stock) in a standart military conditions. Or just tell me ratio between ordinary assault rifles and sniper rifles in general army.
Plus something about actual tank guns were said in similar thread about half a year ago by actual tank gunner.
About CoF for lasers... there are no lasers that do not experience difraction. There is even photon-on-photon scatering making laser beam spread even in vacuum. The more energy is concentrated in small volume of any medium, the stronger are nonlinear effects and scattering. So, strictly saying, the real-world laser will show spread, This is not a CoF, but actual spread, making it like a flashlight with very ight beam. But it's still not pinpoint.
And in general to aim multiple independent barrels to the same point in 1 km... It is possible, but only for stationary target for stationary barrels over some time. If such aiming was easy, then there were no sence in desining corrected and guided munitions.
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