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[Dinochrome]

Hailz oldradagast:

I have never dropped against you as far as I know, So bearing that in mind I think you are a forum warrior rather than a MechWarrior, That's my opinion which means, it just who I think you are. No positive, just negative. V/R means very respectfully in case you don't get it.


V/R Dinochrome

[Mystere]

oldradagast, on 12 July 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Well, as all the try-hards keep telling us, the "real problem" is that not enough people want to devote a large chunk of their lives to building meta-cheese builds and clubbing seals to "get gud." You know, because that's "fun" - or so I'm told...

As I've heard far too many times with regard to CW - "it's Community WARFARE - it's not supposed to be fun!"

Ok, sure. Then, let's all act confused when people are leaving the game mode that isn't fun... derp!

And here you are again propagating another big falsehood, that CW is nothing but "meta-cheese builds and clubbing seals". You're so close to taking over Mud's mantle, assuming you haven't already.

[Kin3ticX]

Lord Squire, on 12 July 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

I am completely finished with CW.
The disparity between IS and Clan is absolute B^//$#/+.

Story goes... i dropped in 12 V12 pugs.
Only 2 members had [unit tags].
With multiple pushes on seperate gates. It spoke volumes about coordination.

By 42 to 16... i was out of mechs.
Seeing a camp incoming...
I decided this crappy game mode even Vs pugs... proves the whole CW, groups or pugs is so out balanced and broken.

Unless of course I want to be a Power gaming meta cheese low ping D@^€#bag. I basically have sweet FA chance of being in a all beating team.
No i don't have time to join a unit.

I'm sorry guys. I tried to persevere. But the incessant stomp is nothing i care to feed said above bags... who invest so much into the game and builds.

Nothing is seriously left for SOMEONE who say... wants a bit of fun as opposed to getting my ass giftwrapped every game after a 10minute wait... when so many things could happen.

I am voting with my feet here and completely finished with CW and can clearly see the reason that CW is so under populated.

If your intention was to beat me from the comfort of your arm chair... so badly that I want to never return

Congrats. Mission accomplished. Good riddance to seeing your crappy CW attitudes.

@russ_bullock
Fix this before your trickle of players leaving CW becomes a river.
Hence your power gamers have no noobs to conquer.
@CM_TinaBenoit
Make weekend events playable by all, not just
Uber units or
MC only purchases

P.s wheres the community events... player of the week. Streamer of the week. Creation of the week... gone.

Get some feet thru your electronic door.

Wow. Have you even tried, well...i dunno, reasonable stuff like?......

1. Read the stickies in the CW forums

2. Try shopping for and joining an active unit that is willing to train new players. They can easily be found in the CW forums by lurking, posting, or making a thread. Also, try googling "Tukayidd unit stats" to see how some have performed in the past. (or to find the right unit to just "hang out" with, see #4)

3. Improve your dropdecks to make them more competitive as there is no matchmaker to protect you from solid players/units. Consider doing some minor research and grinding out CW viable mechs in the regular queue before attempting CW. There are dropdeck guide made by both myself, metamechs.com, and others. (see stickies in CW forums)

4. If you don't like joining units, perhaps work with them on one of the various faction hubs? Again, these are all over the CW forums. No actual joining a unit is required to do this and is a minimal time investment, just a few minutes to set up teamspeak.

5. If you insist on being lonewolf in a unit centric game mode, you either need to accept more losses or pull of amazing solo carries. Tread with caution as this mode highly favors coordinated units with drop commanders, prepared dropdecks, familiarized players, and 3rd party communications.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 13 July 2015 - 12:32 AM.

[Cptn Goodvibes Pig of Steel]

I just don't think that playing for an Inner Sphere faction is conducive to the chances of being part of an organised group. Look at the composition of the matches. Is always against the Clans and that side will all be from a single Clan faction, such as Jade Falcon or Wolf. Never against mixed Clan factions. The Inner Sphere opposition is nearly always a mixed bag from half a dozen factions. Chances are that even if the Clan faction is composed of different units, its probable that they could all be on the same Jade Falcon TS channel. There's absolutely zero chance of their Inner Sphere opposition enjoying this. Sure PGI has taken measures to help alleviate this, but the uptake has been minimal. I guess some IS units with 12 mans can and do drop as a single faction, but as a Pug, I have yet to see them. Encounters between Inner Sphere factions seem to be non existent.

The way I see it, the only way for the Inner Sphere to compete is to avoid dropping into CW games as a mixed IS conglomeration. This is what I'd suggest to other Pugs out there. As a Davion Pug, I'd first go to the relevant Davion TS channel. Then try to form as part of a group with other Davions and then drop into the CW match as a strictly Davion group from there. The other IS factions should do likewise. At least you'll be on the same TS channel. Is this reasonable to other IS units? However, saying this and doing this, is the difference between chalk and cheese. I gather that the CW population is now too low and too disorganised on the IS side for this to work. Unfortunately, the only good news that I've seen lately is the mention of a Singapore server. Hopefully an end to playing with 300+ Australian pings.

As mentioned, I largely play as Pug in MWO. This is due to time constraints and having a family. Most of my Mercenary unit has drifted away from the game and maybe me shortly. The message went out for all and sundry that Pugs are not wanted in CW. With CW, what it is, am certainly happy to oblige in this. Is not my problem if CW rolls over and dies. Nor will I be asking for a trophy from the generation of the selfish and self entitled!

[Dawnstealer]

LOADED, on 12 July 2015 - 04:15 AM, said:

I'm pugging all the time in CW, being with all kinds of players. From Cookiecutter wielding units to completely clueless trail'mech users.
I always bring the best mechs i can (those who do perform well and i am most comfortable with), i even go as far as switching my mechs for different maps and gamemode.

Sometimes i hardly get a kill with 1k damage and 3 destroyed own mechs and we still won.
Sometimes i end up losing all 4 mechs with 15 kills and 2,5-3k damage and we still lost the game.

A word of advise, don't expect anything if you play with pick up groups.
Don't expect to beat anyone with underperforming builds and mechs.
Nobody is going to carrying you through the game by default.
If you want to win, do whatever you can possible do for it yourself. The other team won't let you win if you're going half assed to begin with.
You don't go to a race and complain your fiat500 has no chance of winning, do you?

Mostly this: even though you have four mechs, the margin for error is less because your enemy has four mechs, too. Have one guy rambo up? He just put your team down by four. Have one teammate that doesn't like to listen, or likes to "snipe," or brings IS LRMs? Well, you're going to be down four.

I drop PUG more times than not, too. I am in a group and do drop with those guys whenever I can, but my schedule's weird, and I don't have a lot of time to drop, much less enough time to wait twenty minutes for a game.

So when I do drop CW? It's like a treat, and yes, when I get rolled two or three games in a row? Yeah - not a great feeling.

As an IS player, the odds aren't really in your favor, either. All things being equal, the odds kind of go like this:

Clan PUG vs IS PUG: 70% Clan win
Clan PUG vs IS Prebuilt: 70% IS win
Clan Prebuilt vs IS Prebuilt: 65% Clan win
Clan Prebuilt vs IS PUG: 90% Clan win

So right there, there's a 75% chance if you're an IS Pugger, you're going to lose.

Fun games can be had, though, and beating those odds? Man, that's a good feeling.

[Jebe457]

Draughluin, on 12 July 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

I just don't think that playing for an Inner Sphere faction is conducive to the chances of being part of an organized group. Look at the composition of the matches. Is always against the Clans and that side will all be from a single Clan faction, such as Jade Falcon or Wolf. Never against mixed Clan factions.

I saw skittles all the time with Wolf, and now with the FRR.

I feel the need to point out that the FRR over the past two days seized Leoben and got another Clan world to 30% captured. We had good leadership and decent trigger pullers using TeamSpeak, but that was it really. We have went up against the crack Clan units, and gave them a proper bruising before we kept going. We lost some drops and we routed a lot of others, but we kept going.

Draughluin, on 12 July 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

The Inner Sphere opposition is nearly always a mixed bag from half a dozen factions.

That's only possible if you're not taking the fight to them, and thus they're dictating the engagements.

Draughluin, on 12 July 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

Chances are that even if the Clan faction is composed of different units, its probable that they could all be on the same Jade Falcon TS channel. There's absolutely zero chance of their Inner Sphere opposition enjoying this.

This is contrary to my experience. Now what is true with CW is that the crack units tend to go on offense rather than defense. So if you're just defending than you're going to face more fierce opposition, as their crack units are attacking you at the time of their choosing.

So group up in TeamSpeak, and take the fight to them. You can win.

Edited by Jebe457, 12 July 2015 - 08:48 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

oldradagast, on 12 July 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Well, as all the try-hards keep telling us, the "real problem" is that not enough people want to devote a large chunk of their lives to building meta-cheese builds and clubbing seals to "get gud." You know, because that's "fun" - or so I'm told...

As I've heard far too many times with regard to CW - "it's Community WARFARE - it's not supposed to be fun!"

Ok, sure. Then, let's all act confused when people are leaving the game mode that isn't fun... derp!

I don't get the whole anti-meta attitude in CW which seems to be perpetuated by the same forum goers. It doesn't take very long to read about it for those that can't figure it out themselves. CW was always meant to be unit vs unit and sometimes pet preferences that don't hold water have to go, meaning you have to be somewhat adaptable and flexible. You guys are just going out of your way to be purposefully dense and stubborn. I thought a lot of that would go away when poptarting got nerfed down to size but many just hated on the next thing.

Don't know who told you Community Warfare isn't supposed to be fun but you need new advisers.

[Mystere]

Kin3ticX, on 12 July 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

I don't get the whole anti-meta attitude in CW which seems to be perpetuated by the same forum goers. It doesn't take very long to read about it for those that can't figure it out themselves. CW was always meant to be unit vs unit and sometimes pet preferences that don't hold water have to go, meaning you have to be somewhat adaptable and flexible. You guys are just going out of your way to be purposefully dense and stubborn. I thought a lot of that would go away when poptarting got nerfed down to size but many just hated on the next thing.

Don't know who told you Community Warfare isn't supposed to be fun but you need new advisers.

I don't think people are simply dense and stubborn. I actually believe some are out to sabotage the game in its entirety or parts they specifically do not like.

I call it "poisoning the well".

There I said it.

[ALKALIN3]

Lord Squire, on 12 July 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

I am completely finished with CW.

[Jumping Gigolo]

@ Draughluin

You see alot of group which are from a single Clan faction because Clans are always on the attack. And if I'm not mistaken only a single faction can attack a planet unless a planet is available to multiple faction which I believe does not happen. Defending a planet is another thing, any faction can defend a planet. If you say you always drop with a rainbow group (players from mixed factions) that would mean you are dropping to defend a planet. Try attacking on a Attack queue. You will see Clan held planets will be defended with a rainbow Clan group as well.


As for TS organization, yeah most Jade Falcon players make effort to reach out with other Jade Falcon units to try dropping ass a 12-man group as much as possible though it rarely happens. Furthermore most Jade Falcon actually does not use TS nor speak in in-game VOIP at all. So while we are in group, team chat are just enough to play organized. It's just Jade Falcon players (unit player or pug player) in general has played a lot of matches together to the point that players got familiar with each other that even if nobody types at team chat you will see there's at least some cohesion.

Edited by Jumping Gigolo, 12 July 2015 - 09:38 PM.

[Eider]

Lord Squire, on 12 July 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

I am completely finished with CW.
The disparity between IS and Clan is absolute B^//$#/+.

Story goes... i dropped in 12 V12 pugs.
Only 2 members had [unit tags].
With multiple pushes on seperate gates. It spoke volumes about coordination.

By 42 to 16... i was out of mechs.
Seeing a camp incoming...
I decided this crappy game mode even Vs pugs... proves the whole CW, groups or pugs is so out balanced and broken.

Unless of course I want to be a Power gaming meta cheese low ping D@^€#bag. I basically have sweet FA chance of being in a all beating team.
No i don't have time to join a unit.

I'm sorry guys. I tried to persevere. But the incessant stomp is nothing i care to feed said above bags... who invest so much into the game and builds.

Nothing is seriously left for SOMEONE who say... wants a bit of fun as opposed to getting my ass giftwrapped every game after a 10minute wait... when so many things could happen.

I am voting with my feet here and completely finished with CW and can clearly see the reason that CW is so under populated.

If your intention was to beat me from the comfort of your arm chair... so badly that I want to never return

Congrats. Mission accomplished. Good riddance to seeing your crappy CW attitudes.

@russ_bullock
Fix this before your trickle of players leaving CW becomes a river.
Hence your power gamers have no noobs to conquer.
@CM_TinaBenoit
Make weekend events playable by all, not just
Uber units or
MC only purchases

P.s wheres the community events... player of the week. Streamer of the week. Creation of the week... gone.

Get some feet thru your electronic door.

Dont worry according to people.. mostly clan players the game is balanced and cw is doing great! LOL

[M E X]

Lord Squire, on 12 July 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

...
So. Are you right or wrong to think PGI will keep servers running for 4-6 super units to play on.?
Or will they shut them down when everyone is finally pissed enough to walk from this current train wreck.
...

Despite the [9 11] units, the current design of the CW mode seems doomed to me too ... first sign is that on EU and Oceanic servers there will be no CW mode available.

[Black Ivan]

meteorol, on 12 July 2015 - 06:05 AM, said:

If you lost 46:16, you probably pugged for a IS faction? Stop doing that, and start to win. IS pugs are terrible. The terribadness of IS pugs really throws Clan vs. IS balance out of the window for CW.

They use subpar mechs with subpar builds and are inable to spread damage or aim by any means. I played CW for both sides and IS pugs being so bad is the sole reason i probably will never take a IS contract again. When playing IS, i had matches with me alone dealing more damage than 7 other IS pugs together. I won't deal with that anymore, which is somewhat sad because i really enjoyed playing CW with IS mechs.

Very true, there are many many units who fight Clan side since the release of Invasion III, IS is still left with some good units, but also with many many other players, Lonewolfs, rookies and more.

I don't see a future for the actual CW design and I'm sorry for it, since it was intended as COMMUNITY Warfare to bring the players closer together. Now it crates a rift that will not heal easily.

Edited by Black Ivan, 12 July 2015 - 10:25 PM.

[Jumping Gigolo]

I got stomped every match during my 1st month of playing with trial mechs but just continue playing and playing until I got enough cbills to buy enough mechs to complete my drop deck and still in the process of grinding to buy those mech and weapon modules.

I don't think the majority of IS players who complain here in forums here played enough CW games. 100 CW drops for me is not enough to conclude "I'm not a subpar IS player its just the Clan mechs are OP". Play some more, improve, and perform better than your previous match. In your 200th drop, if the level of competitiveness is still the same as the first time you dropped in CW, then there's nothing wrong with the game but rather it's...........

Edited by Jumping Gigolo, 12 July 2015 - 11:15 PM.

[Ace Selin]

OP mad he cant win every CW match he plays when he drops with 11 other random people & blames game mode, other palyers, mechs and everything but himself, his ability and his teams ability to coordiante and act together.

[Cptn Goodvibes Pig of Steel]

G'day,


Thanks for the heads up, Dawnstealer and Jumping Gigolo. Assumed that Clanners such as Jade Falcon would probably be in the same TS room. Okay, that explains the "rainbow 12 mans" that I always seem to come across. The only time I've been in an single Inner Sphere faction 12 man, was when we went up against another Inner Sphere faction. It was a good game. Getting in on an IS attack of a Clan must be a bit of a rarity. For a Pug, are your chances of getting into an IS attack improved if you are aligned with the Rasalhague Faction. For that matter, are attacks initiated by the large groups and exclusively the domain of 12 mans. At any rate, I still think what I said about grouping up in TS prior to dropping to CW still is valid, even if its only for defence. May have to give it a try.

Can't see the the CW situation improving for sometime, especially down here in OZ, the arse end of the world. As I indicated earlier, sitting around for half an hour for a "hint" of a game is not really an option for me. Family commitments. Dropping into a "rainbow 12 man" as a Pug is definitely outski and a complete waste of time. For me, the attraction of MWO is that its an uncomplicated first person shooter. I can get in fast, play it and drop out at a moments notice. Obviously, being a Battletech fan, I had hoped for more, but it seems that the wait needs to be longer.

But no worries, I have my 60 mechs and mastered out 51 of them. That's more than enough and I'll finish at 60. There's no point grinding out more mechs, when there's no proper Battletech lore use for Pugs and their mechs as yet. Probably is a good time to cut back and return to the old flight simulators.

Oh yes, what part of the Philippines are you from Gigilo? My better half (spouse) is from Subic Zambales. Not often that I see someone from the PI on the forums.


Paalam

[Koshirou]

Jumping Gigolo, on 12 July 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

100 CW drops for me is not enough to conclude "I'm not a subpar IS player its just the Clan mechs are OP".

So, your sales pitch to new players is "Play this game fpr >50 hours of miserable non-stop losses before judging it"? Do you realize how crazy that sounds to normal people?

[Leone]

Dawnstealer, on 12 July 2015 - 08:07 PM, said:

So when I do drop CW? It's like a treat, and yes, when I get rolled two or three games in a row? Yeah - not a great feeling.

I spent nearly a month on the Steiner side of the Falcon Steiner border way back when, and I hafta say it taught me alot about the game, and is prolly why I'm so focused on brawling builds. When my team was losing hard, I would always aim to get 1k Damage. Not kills, or survival, simply to do my part, and try an core out as many mechs as possible. That was my goal, and I would burn my mechs in order to reach it. When your losing, you gotta switch tracks. Don't try to win the whole thing alone, it'll only wear you down or burn you out. Instead set a personal goal, something you can still achieve, challenging, but not impossible. That way, you can still win, even when there's no victory in sight.

Dawnstealer, on 12 July 2015 - 08:07 PM, said:

Fun games can be had, though, and beating those odds? Man, that's a good feeling.

<o.

The falcons don't go easy. Seriously, much respect to any who dare defend their worlds from the steel talons of the Jade Falcon.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 13 July 2015 - 12:39 AM.

[Eider]

Koshirou, on 13 July 2015 - 12:12 AM, said:

So, your sales pitch to new players is "Play this game fpr >50 hours of miserable non-stop losses before judging it"? Do you realize how crazy that sounds to normal people?

I like how people are still in denial. Stronger weapons better engines, can switch hardpoints. Oh and range.. but i guess that 10% energy cooldown on IS is just op in comparison lol.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Koshirou, on 12 July 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

Well, CW has a healthy and growing population, is well balanced with all sides being equally involved and has motivated new players flocking in all the time.

So, clearly, we can afford to dismiss anybody who is frustrated and quits. Right?

<5% mwo pop playing, 12 pugs x 12 premades, lesser cbills income then regular pug.

um ye... definetly.