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[Spr1ggan]

The whole heat survival in a mech discussion reminded me of this lol.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 14 July 2015 - 02:23 AM.

[Nightshade24]

WAIT A MINUTE.

I just realised something.... All clanners (besides ghost bear) are genetically engineered and modified and breed in test tubes to be the best warriors possible for the task... would this give a overall advantage if a player is a clanner over an IS ? (besides ghost bear)

[bad arcade kitty]

Nightshade24, on 14 July 2015 - 02:21 AM, said:

Um... some light mechs with just a hand load of single heatsinks can go up to 700 degrees K before shutting down. That's 427 C... that is possibly the air you breath when a mech powers down from 100% heat.

it's mech is 427, the air is cooler
note the story above, their oven was heated to the white glow... and the air temp was ~100 celsius

Nightshade24, on 14 July 2015 - 02:23 AM, said:

WAIT A MINUTE.

I just realised something.... All clanners (besides ghost bear) are genetically engineered and modified and breed in test tubes to be the best warriors possible for the task... would this give a overall advantage if a player is a clanner over an IS ? (besides ghost bear)

ghost bears too...
they only didn't breed separate fighter pilots

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 14 July 2015 - 02:25 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 July 2015 - 02:23 AM, said:

Have you been in anything nearly that hot???

The hottest temperature I have been around (ambient) is 35 degrees Celsius Air? not sure, I would say most likely 29 degrees Celsius for extended time, and 40 degrees C for short time. .

Why do you ask?

[Joseph Mallan]

Nightshade24, on 14 July 2015 - 02:30 AM, said:

The hottest temperature I have been around (ambient) is 35 degrees Celsius Air? not sure, I would say most likely 29 degrees Celsius for extended time, and 40 degrees C for short time. .

Why do you ask?

Cause. Literally getting into my car, a Black midsize sedan, on a hot sunny day... Sucks until the AC cools it off.

[Nightshade24]

bad arcade kitty, on 14 July 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

it's mech is 427, the air is cooler
note the story above, their oven was heated to the white glow... and the air temp was ~100 celsius



ghost bears too...
they only didn't breed separate fighter pilots

From memory Ghost Bear reproduced "normally" and still alowed familys to occur and marriage.

[Nightshade24]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 July 2015 - 02:45 AM, said:

Cause. Literally getting into my car, a Black midsize sedan, on a hot sunny day... Sucks until the AC cools it off.

This is why I prefer walking.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nightshade24, on 14 July 2015 - 03:14 AM, said:

This is why I prefer walking.

I had my fill of walking as a Grunt...30 years ago.

[Escef]

Nightshade24, on 14 July 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

From memory Ghost Bear reproduced "normally" and still alowed familys to occur and marriage.

Your memory is crappy. The Ghost Bears had no problems with families amongst the lower castes, and did their best to instill the clan with a sense of family. Ghost Bears take part in the normal clan eugenics program, including sibkos. TrueBorns would often keep in touch with distantly assigned sibkin and trothkin, simply because of the attachments formed during rearing and training.

At it's best, it would result in the entire clan would working as a single unit. Unfortunately, it often has the side effect of making small groups within the clan insular, and when a single warrior needed to be reassigned it was often best to reassign the entire star to maintain cohesion (it was easier than integrating the warrior into a new star and integrating a new warrior into the one he just left).

[Lugh]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 July 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

I would agree. But too often the self proclaimed Church of Skill players cry against anything that adds actual tangible skill to the game. You sir, are a bit of an oddity in that you tend to be pretty open and reasonable.

Dude I am the EPITOME OF SKILL .. ALPHA ALPHA SHUTDOWN. ALPHA BLOW UP I got a KILL SEE LOOKIT ME I AM AWESOME Trololo....

[Bishop Steiner]

Adiuvo, on 13 July 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

No, I'd just prefer if you stop making things up about me/my team/my friends/people who you know nothing about.

so you and your friends/people represent every single "comp" player now? Wow. Ego much?

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 July 2015 - 01:15 AM, said:

What skills do they got to stop their lungs from blistering from breathing 140 degree F air?

anything that takes away from some peoples "pure" pick a pixel and click play, is interfering with the Church of Skill. Pilot health, weapon sway, RNG, CoF, etc.

Anything that introduces some reality, basically. Because apparently real skill never involves dealing with external forces, circumstances or considerations, random things outside one's control, etc.

[Bishop Steiner]

Spr1ggan, on 14 July 2015 - 02:10 AM, said:

Hehe i've never been fond of light pilots charging their mechs into me causing rubberbanding and warping behind me for back damage. So i'm fine with bringing knockdowns back. It wouldn't have much affect on actually great light pilots like Adi or Tfun but the lesser light pilots would be in for a shock.

As for the Church of Skill. I can't speak for everyone involved but from my experience they want more skilled gameplay not less. The issue a lot have (myself included) is with RNG being used to determine the outcome of a fight. Personally i don't mind a minimal amount of RNG in the game. What i don't want and what to me it seems a lot of the MWO community want though is combat turning into people just standing and staring at each other, shooting back and forth with dice rolls.

Which is perfectly reasonable. Sadly ANY mention of it, tends to get taken to an extreme. Minimal, situational application though? Part of skill is knowing how to minimize and avoid those situations.

But too many people want to be able to run their mech at 99% heat scale, running and jumping across broken terrain, snapping off shots at over 1 KM, with absolute perfect aim. I'd ask, how does that represent skill, or any degree of immersion, even?

Mind you I don't think CoFs that will cause you to miss entirely at 200 meters make sense either. But while RNG isn't perfect, it does, when used sparingly and well, do about the best a game can be realistically expected to, add to the skill, IMO, not detract. I mean, part of being a competitive shooter, is knowing when NOT to shoot, as well as when to. And realizing that between you and that 1000 meter gong, the wind can change, etc, any number of things, that can ruin that perfect shot. All you do with skill, is minimize the variables.

Jst me. But I realize I am more of an "IRL" doer (Freediver, spear fisherman, long range target shooter, hunter and archer) than a gamer, so perhaps the view is different between the communities.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 July 2015 - 02:45 AM, said:

Cause. Literally getting into my car, a Black midsize sedan, on a hot sunny day... Sucks until the AC cools it off.

Sure. But then, it's not unheard of for the skin temp of someone (like myself when I was doing wildland firefighting, and those in structures) to approach 65º C, with extended periods at 55º.

I used to live on the southern edge of Death Valley, too, where daytime temps in the summer were regularly 54º. Amazing how fast one could pass out and die at those temps....but more so, how people, with training, hydration, etc, could continue to function.

[Nightshade24]

Escef, on 14 July 2015 - 04:52 AM, said:

Your memory is crappy. The Ghost Bears had no problems with families amongst the lower castes, and did their best to instill the clan with a sense of family. Ghost Bears take part in the normal clan eugenics program, including sibkos. TrueBorns would often keep in touch with distantly assigned sibkin and trothkin, simply because of the attachments formed during rearing and training.

At it's best, it would result in the entire clan would working as a single unit. Unfortunately, it often has the side effect of making small groups within the clan insular, and when a single warrior needed to be reassigned it was often best to reassign the entire star to maintain cohesion (it was easier than integrating the warrior into a new star and integrating a new warrior into the one he just left).

probably been reading about the Rasalhague dominion/ ghost bear dominion then on the cloning/ reproduction part.

I think I need a break from the forums and game for a few days. Been having slip ups on forums and a massive losing streak in game while also morning my pet birds death and many other things. But now I'm going off topic...

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 July 2015 - 05:22 AM, said:

Sure. But then, it's not unheard of for the skin temp of someone (like myself when I was doing wildland firefighting, and those in structures) to approach 65º C, with extended periods at 55º.

I used to live on the southern edge of Death Valley, too, where daytime temps in the summer were regularly 54º. Amazing how fast one could pass out and die at those temps....but more so, how people, with training, hydration, etc, could continue to function.

29 Palms Training... Were those conditions including a Small enclosed environmentally sealed cockpit?

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 July 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

29 Palms Training... Were those conditions including a Small enclosed environmentally sealed cockpit?

crew carriers, pretty small. skin temp is skin temp, btw.

[Escef]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 July 2015 - 05:22 AM, said:

I used to live on the southern edge of Death Valley, too, where daytime temps in the summer were regularly 54º. Amazing how fast one could pass out and die at those temps....but more so, how people, with training, hydration, etc, could continue to function.

Daytime temps in Iraq during the summer got up to 55­ºC. Even combat arms didn't do much in that, one of the many reasons night ops were so common.

[Varvar86]

love the idea. But ... this game is easy core and always will be - more simplicity means more average players to play it. More players = more donations for PGI. End.
Wish it to be more complex and hardcore – I really wish. But its more realistic than MechWarrior Live Legends will come back to life and will be updated to all those things we wish to - rather than MWO will do any steps to implementing more depth into this game.
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Edited by Varvar86, 14 July 2015 - 06:10 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 14 July 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

Daytime temps in Iraq during the summer got up to 55­ºC. Even combat arms didn't do much in that, one of the many reasons night ops were so common.

hey, what's not to love about anything metal searing your flesh through your gloves.......?

Question is when bullets started to fly, could the combat arms operate?