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[LordKnightFandragon]

Still think it should become

PPC: 10/10, 3.75CD
ERPPC: 10/12, 3.75CD
CERPPC: 13/15, 4.25s CD

[Lily from animove]

No, making dual PPC a 30 Pinpoint seems not good for balance.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Lily from animove, on 16 July 2015 - 02:31 AM, said:

No, making dual PPC a 30 Pinpoint seems not good for balance.

Well, if the game is going to stay the way it is, its high time they jsut give us back our PPC/GR/AC5 meta......

THey initially nerfed it to reduce the alpha, now we basically have 40, 50, 60 point alphas as standard issue, plus quirks making it even more sustainable and frequent. The more quriks and buffs they give other weapons, the worse overall it makes PPCs. So, yeah...

[Lily from animove]

LordKnightFandragon, on 16 July 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

Well, if the game is going to stay the way it is, its high time they jsut give us back our PPC/GR/AC5 meta...... THey initially nerfed it to reduce the alpha, now we basically have 40, 50, 60 point alphas as standard issue, plus quirks making it even more sustainable and frequent. The more quriks and buffs they give other weapons, the worse overall it makes PPCs. So, yeah...

and if you overbuff PPC's you will have the next Thunderbolt issue or even worse when a DWF combines it with other weapons.
Just because one thing moves in an unsuited direction causing imbalance should not make us moving others into this direction as well making everyhing even more worse.

[Rhaythe]

Yes, that's just what a game suffering from low time-to-kill needs. More sniping.

Whiteboard comic I made about this a couple years ago. Seems relevant:

Edited by Rhaythe, 16 July 2015 - 03:57 AM.

[GreyNovember]

Here's a wild idea.

What if we did the opposite.

What if we reduced the damage and heat instead? But made it cycle faster so that it acted more like a DPS weapon than a burst, while maintaining the DPS ratio?

Your 30 point alpha is now no longer an issue. The ERPPC is now tolerably colder to mount by itself.

[Rhaythe]

GreyNovember, on 16 July 2015 - 04:27 AM, said:

Here's a wild idea.

What if we did the opposite.

What if we reduced the damage and heat instead? But made it cycle faster so that it acted more like a DPS weapon than a burst, while maintaining the DPS ratio?

Your 30 point alpha is now no longer an issue. The ERPPC is now tolerably colder to mount by itself.

That's actually a fun idea.

[Ngamok]

No, and here's why; PPFLD. We do not need dual gauss dual ERPPC Dire Wolfs doing 60 points of front loaded damage (or more). It's bad enough now. It would be fine if the ERPPC was the only weapon system on a mech, but with boating we don't have that.

[Andi Nagasia]

Ngamok, on 16 July 2015 - 06:38 AM, said:

No, and here's why; PPFLD. We do not need dual gauss dual ERPPC Dire Wolfs doing 60 points of front loaded damage (or more). It's bad enough now. It would be fine if the ERPPC was the only weapon system on a mech, but with boating we don't have that.

um doesnt Gauss have a Charge Function?
so then wouldnt Syncing Gauss and PPC into a single 50-60 Damage shot be hard?
as you would have to Charge then Fire your PPCs and Gauss at the same time,

and cant a KGC already do an Instant 60 Damage shot,
with STD 300(same as DWF), AC20x2(35shots) and PPCx2?
so IS already has an instant 60PP Damage,

[GreyNovember]

Andi Nagasia, on 16 July 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

um doesnt Gauss have a Charge Function?
so then wouldnt Syncing Gauss and PPC into a single 50-60 Damage shot be hard?
as you would have to Charge then Fire your PPCs and Gauss at the same time,

and cant a KGC already do an Instant 60 Damage shot,
with STD 300(same as DWF), AC20x2(35shots) and PPCx2?
so IS already has an instant 60PP Damage,

It isn't too difficult to lead with PPCs and snap the Gauss off after.

As for A 2AC20 2PPC Alpha?

Sure, if you like shutting down at close range?

[Chuck Jager]

I love the Cerppc. 1 ton less 5 extra damage for the same heat as IS. Stack 2 with Gauss for 45 pp and 10 splash damage with no extra heat. Use 1 on brawl builds for some decent damage while closing with the ability to twist and minimize damage.

I pretty much use buffed ppc on IS mechs because the lack of splash hurts my epeen at the end of the match when a main weapon has 50% less look at me damage on the boards.

[Rhaythe]

I think it would be fun if PGI implemented some kind of "workshop" for the private matches (or even a public queue) where they test out dynamic settings on all the weapons. Just vastly change values for damage, heat, burn time, ghost heat, etc and see how the game 'feels'. It would be incredible if you could tweak individual settings on all weapons for private matches, especially for the stock community.

[Almond Brown]

IraqiWalker, on 14 July 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

If the forums had a national pass-time it would be blowing things out of proportion.

Thank you for being so civil, and calm.

And here I thought that was exactly what the "National Pass-Time" of these Forums was. Now I feel sorta silly for getting it so wrong. lol

[Almond Brown]

IraqiWalker, on 14 July 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

If we're going there, why not go all the way, and go to the proper 30 cap?

OMG! Best change the name to "Pop goes the MechWarrior". That, or remove the "O" button.

[IraqiWalker]

Andi Nagasia, on 16 July 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

um doesnt Gauss have a Charge Function?
so then wouldnt Syncing Gauss and PPC into a single 50-60 Damage shot be hard?
as you would have to Charge then Fire your PPCs and Gauss at the same time,

and cant a KGC already do an Instant 60 Damage shot,
with STD 300(same as DWF), AC20x2(35shots) and PPCx2?
so IS already has an instant 60PP Damage,

Not really a comparison, since that alpha is only functional at 270 meters. Whereas my old DWF with 2 Gauss and 3 ERPPCs can pop 75 points of damage into you at 800+ meters, in one shot.

[Shaio]

PPC s are in a good spot right now.

I would say that it is all of the other weapon systems(including Quirks) that need to be toned down.

Edited by Shaio, 16 July 2015 - 03:26 PM.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

GreyNovember, on 16 July 2015 - 04:27 AM, said:

Here's a wild idea.

What if we did the opposite.

What if we reduced the damage and heat instead? But made it cycle faster so that it acted more like a DPS weapon than a burst, while maintaining the DPS ratio?

Your 30 point alpha is now no longer an issue. The ERPPC is now tolerably colder to mount by itself.

I'd be fine with this myself.

So keeping the 3.75 DPS and HPS, say it goes down to 10 damage and 10 heat.
With those values, the base cooldown would be 2.67

Maybe going to 12 Damage and Heat could work also, the cooldown would be 3.20 in that case.

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Then with IS ERPPC if it too saw an adjustment like this, it could see 8 Damage, 12 Heat at 3.20 cooldown.
DPS would stay at 2.50 and HPS would also remain 3.75 if done this way.

Probably could leave IS PPCs alone since they have the 90 min range.