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[Kodyn]

If Yoki uses a joy, I can personally attest to the fact that it doesn't seem to hinder him in the least, and he's generally in a light when I see him...kicked my mouse/keyboarding ass to the curb.

[Praehotec8]

I have used a CH Fighterstick, throttle and pedals since open beta. As others have stated, it makes long range sniping difficult, but with some practice, it's not actually bad in a brawl, or with LRMs.

It DOES take getting used to (if you choose joystick) don't expect to win the first several matches, until you've adjusted.

However, the immersion is so much greater, I personally would not go back to mouse and KB, even given the loss in aiming fidelity and speed.

[LordKnightFandragon]

I never tried MWO with a joystick, I just know it made playing MW4 worlds easier. MWO feels like it plays better with a MnKB....but idk.

[Erkki]

Most of the joystick/pad players I get to observe once I'm dead seem to have considerable difficulties in hitting even stationary targets... Just dont do it unless you have some serious practice time first; losing is not fun, neither is hurting ones team.

That said I do use stick & fligh pedals myself: stick for throttle and targeting buttons, pedals for turning legs and JJs(toe brakes). Mouse is hard to beat when it comes to aiming.

Edited by Erkki, 15 July 2015 - 10:17 PM.

[TyphonCh]

Honestly, don't. It's not worth it. Mech movement and aiming is severely hampered playing with a controller. Against someone with a mouse and keyboard you put yourself at a disadvantage.

If you want to try something different I suggest a joystick... I hear they're a lot of fun and more immersive.
EDIT: Also, if Yokilin uses a joystick I can also attest it doesn't affect him. He's a beast in that Oxide.

Edited by Team Chevy86, 15 July 2015 - 10:31 PM.

[LordNothing]

Kodyn, on 15 July 2015 - 08:47 PM, said:

If Yoki uses a joy, I can personally attest to the fact that it doesn't seem to hinder him in the least, and he's generally in a light when I see him...kicked my mouse/keyboarding ass to the curb.

i mostly stopped using sticks because the one i got is 8 years old and has become rather imprecise. i cant afford to replace it, so im mousing for now. its improved my game but i miss the immersion that stick provided.

[Praehotec8]

Erkki, on 15 July 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

Most of the joystick/pad players I get to observe once I'm dead seem to have considerable difficulties in hitting even stationary targets... Just dont do it unless you have some serious practice time first; losing is not fun, neither is hurting ones team.

That said I do use stick & fligh pedals myself: stick for throttle and targeting buttons, pedals for turning legs and JJs(toe brakes). Mouse is hard to beat when it comes to aiming.

Some of us have no problems with moving targets, thank you. At 600m+, not as accurately, but again, not all playstyles demand long-range sniping. Plus, most of us will never achieve the lofty elite status of the professional MWO gamer, so it does not make much difference.

At the end of the day, if one enjoys using it, then it is perfectly fine to use whatever input device you like. It IS after all, simply a game, played for fun (and everyone's definition of fun is a bit different).

[627]

Edited by 627, 15 July 2015 - 11:26 PM.

[Xetelian]

Kira_Onime, on 15 July 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

Unless you've been using joysticks for years, don't bother.
You'll be a burden to your team more than anything.

I argue that even if they have used it for years they're still better off with a KB/mouse

[LordKnightFandragon]

627, on 15 July 2015 - 11:24 PM, said:

Yeah, buy in the Gift Shop, only 499,999 MC.

[Escef]

I config'd a PS-style controller, but when I tried it in the testing grounds it was very awkward. I've stuck with keyboard and mouse, it works.

[Telmasa]

I could see using a joystick with like 20+ special buttons on it to control the legs & keybinds, but...if you ain't using a mouse to aim, you're gonna have a harder time. With any PC game.

That, or you get a headtracking device that points your reticule where you're looking...good luck with that though lol

Edited by Telmasa, 16 July 2015 - 12:35 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Analog control (rather than digital or WSAD) is always better for controlling movement because you can very easily fine tune your throttle.

[jss78]

I can definitely see the immersion factor with Joysticks. Controllers, not so much -- it just seems like a bad controller choice for a mech all around. No immersion and inaccurate. Since you have to play on a PC anyway ... why? I don't understand it.

But if some specific controller is fun to you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You might not be competitive, but I wager that 90+% of us don't give a toss about that anyway.

LordNothing, on 15 July 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

if i want to play the game with an accelerometer duct taped to my scrotum i will (once).

Gives a whole new meaning to balls-out brawling. But for the love of god, do NOT post a video.

[Xetelian]

Hit the Deck, on 16 July 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

Analog control (rather than digital or WSAD) is always better for controlling movement because you can very easily fine tune your throttle.

If fine tuning your throttle was enough of a gain to justify not using a mouse to aim then I'm all for it, but I don't think a little throttle precision is going to make up for the lack of a mouse.

[Joseph Mallan]

Kira_Onime, on 15 July 2015 - 06:14 PM, said:

Unless you've been using joysticks for years, don't bother.
You'll be a burden to your team more than anything.

Until you are not. Dude... everyone starts somewhere.

[Hit the Deck]

Xetelian, on 16 July 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

If fine tuning your throttle was enough of a gain to justify not using a mouse to aim then I'm all for it, but I don't think a little throttle precision is going to make up for the lack of a mouse.

Well, I'm just talking about analog controls in general. You can actually still use a mouse for aiming and a pad/stick for moving.

[Erkki]

Praehotec8, on 15 July 2015 - 11:23 PM, said:

Some of us have no problems with moving targets, thank you. At 600m+, not as accurately, but again, not all playstyles demand long-range sniping. Plus, most of us will never achieve the lofty elite status of the professional MWO gamer, so it does not make much difference.

At the end of the day, if one enjoys using it, then it is perfectly fine to use whatever input device you like. It IS after all, simply a game, played for fun (and everyone's definition of fun is a bit different).

Sure, if one enjoys immersion, missing shots, losing matches and is not bothered by being mostly a hindrance to ones own team unless playing a LRM/SRM/Streak boat then by all means use a game pad/stick for aiming.

For some of us good part of the enjoyment comes from things other than graphics/sounds/other kinds of immersion: learning new stuff and doing ones best(within limits of course, as in not being too serious about it) and working together in trying to win matches in a team game. I guess it could be called good sportsmanship.

Edited by Erkki, 16 July 2015 - 01:33 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Xetelian, on 16 July 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

If fine tuning your throttle was enough of a gain to justify not using a mouse to aim then I'm all for it, but I don't think a little throttle precision is going to make up for the lack of a mouse.

Yes, for you. But for someone else, they may prefer the more realistic feel of a joystick.

More joy from a joystick... I didn't plan that!

Erkki, on 16 July 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

Sure, if one enjoys immersion, missing shots, losing matches and is not bothered by being mostly a hindrance to ones own team unless playing a LRM/SRM/Streak boat then by all means use a game pad/stick for aiming.

For some of us good part of the enjoyment comes from things other than graphics/sounds/other kinds of immersion: learning new stuff and doing ones best(within limits of course, as in not being too serious about it) and working together in trying to win matches in a team game. I guess it could be called good sportsmanship.

Well if its just a pick up game and not a a real team, I don't see the reason to be worried. PUG teams don't use teamwork all that often, therefore, using a joystick is no big deficit.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 16 July 2015 - 01:36 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

Erkki, on 16 July 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

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For some of us good part of the enjoyment comes from things other than graphics/sounds/other kinds of immersion: learning new stuff and doing ones best(within limits of course, as in not being too serious about it) and working together in trying to win matches in a team game. I guess it could be called good sportsmanship.

You can also be really seriouz about it! Who says that we shouldn't be? Especially when itz about winning!