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[Ovion]

I have 4-5000 games with two Joysticks.
I do rather well, especially in lights, and favour Pulse Lasers, LBX's, LRMs and Autocannons.

I don't do well with PPC or Gauss, nor AC5's (but fine with 2's, 10's and 20's, go figure).
Not that I can't hit with them (80% accuracy with Gauss... 60% with PPC), I just don't... feel them.


At the end of the day though, the most accurate and most 'optimised' set up would be Joystick + Mouse.
This gives you smooth turning and acceleration, with lots of buttons in ergonomic locations, as well as the fastest, best accuracy possible.
That said, I do fine with Joystick+Joystick.

I think that a Game Pad should be OK, with legs on the left thumb, torso on the right, variety of triggers and buttons for everything else.
Maybe I'll try it with my 360 pad just to see at some point.

If you're used to console shooters without aim assist, you should be alright with it in MWO.

That said, I personally don't think a PS pad would be great for it... but that's just because it's ergonomically bad with its thumbsticks and arms, with barely any change to the controller in a few decades....

[Mystere]

MeiSooHaityu, on 16 July 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

The keyboard and mouse controls just work so well in MWO, that I don't know why anyone would want to use a game pad controller.

I understand a joystick (and possibly with a throttle stick) for immersion. I'm sure that would also work ok.

As for a game pad, I just can't see that being useful for this game...or fun for that matter.

Not all "game pads" are created equal.

Joseph Mallan, on 16 July 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

Yeah, I get this... but my experience with a game paddle has been I am moving around a lot more trying to magically get more out of the controller!

Then you really need one of those STEMs.

Edited by Mystere, 16 July 2015 - 07:47 PM.

[Mystere]

MeiSooHaityu, on 16 July 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

As a side note too. I'm sure if all you play in MWO is Streak boats and LRM boats, a game pad might do just fine. Those builds don't require the pinpoint accuracy of other types of builds that require...well...aim.

I just would hate to limit my builds like that though, but that is just my personal preference. Variety of builds is what keeps things more interesting to me.

Actually, it's laser weapons that seem to be a problem because you need to keep the beam on target. PPFLD ones just require proper timing before firing.

Having said that, sniping needs a whole lot of practice.

[Mystere]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 16 July 2015 - 04:15 AM, said:

If you use joystick/gamepad/controller for this game you better go play tetris.
You litteraly shooting your whole team to leg...

As the old saying goes, just because you are totally incapable of doing something does not automatically mean no one can either.

And seriously, it's already the 21st Century and you folks still use keyboards and mice.

Mundanes.

Edited by Mystere, 16 July 2015 - 07:58 PM.

[Clint Steel]

I use a wingman extreme + mouse, and my friend uses a 360 controller + mouse.

I do feel the mouse for aiming does give too much of an advantage over a joystick, but using the joystick for throttle and turning works far better than a keyboard.

[Mycrus]

YokiLin, on 15 July 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

Joystick. 20,000+ matches.
Don't know anything better.

And while I do play SRM boat a lot, there is no problem with playing any weight class or chassis.

Have you tried using joysticks? Without giving up after just a few times, that is?

I use hotas.. have 2 other joysticks and a rumblepad... you are derping if you are aiming with a joystick... the game isnt codes for joustick... read up on first order and zero order controls..

Loc Nar, on 16 July 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

Controls Demystified(?)

You need to teach the new upstarts..

[Erkki]

Praehotec8, on 16 July 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

You assume that every player that uses a joystick is a hindrance to their team, and always misses, etc. While, absolutely without question the mouse allows quicker snap shots with more accuracy at long range, there is a lot more to the game than that single playstyle. Barring that, and ultra-high level play (which I will wager you are not a part of), there is plenty of room for skilled joystick usage to be effective. Sure, there is a learning curve, but the matchmaker should place you with opponents of similar ability.

Either that or all the KB/mouse players in matches where I have gotten the highest damage and kills really ought to be ashamed of themselves....

It really saddens me to see people so ANGRY at other players in what is essentially an online arena shoot-em up game with no real comptetitive scene. Not to mention the fact that you do not usually know who is and is not using a joystick in the game.

Can you please at least quote me correctly. In that very page (3) I say that its possible to be good with a joystick/pad. I also mention LRM/SRM/SSRM-ing. Awful stick/pad players does not equal to every stick/pad player; I mean what I say, not what you think I say.

Edit: also, had you bothered to read what I actually wrote, I'm a mouse + stick + pedals player myself too. I just dont use non-mouse controllers to aim guns.

Edited by Erkki, 16 July 2015 - 09:40 PM.

[LordNothing]

Loc Nar, on 16 July 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

Controls Demystified(?)

that was a good read. makes me want to work on the Joystick Of Doom! again. i got me a 4 channel 15-bit adc with an i2c interface that can give me a lot more resolution than the 12-bit interface board im using. your diy hall sensor pots give me some ideas though.

[Elizander]

Lucy Lui, on 15 July 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

Thanks for replies. Since I now know that it will work, how do you configure it? Do you have to run through a program like motionjoy, betterDS3, etc. I want to try it out, but cant seem to get it to work.

I've always been using X-padder for my controller to make it work with anything. If you know of a better program go right ahead. I think twinstick will work if you are used to it.

[Praehotec8]

Erkki, on 16 July 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

Can you please at least quote me correctly. In that very page (3) I say that its possible to be good with a joystick/pad. I also mention LRM/SRM/SSRM-ing. Awful stick/pad players does not equal to every stick/pad player; I mean what I say, not what you think I say.

Edit: also, had you bothered to read what I actually wrote, I'm a mouse + stick + pedals player myself too. I just dont use non-mouse controllers to aim guns.

I DID read, and quote what you wrote. Again, quoted verbatim from page 2:

"Most of the joystick/pad players I get to observe once I'm dead seem to have considerable difficulties in hitting even stationary targets... Just dont do it unless you have some serious practice time first; losing is not fun, neither is hurting ones team."

On page three you then said:

"Lack of teamwork is one thing, inability to hit stuff reliably another. Some of the stick/gamepad players I've seen might as well have been AFK, they are so bad that their contribution mostly comes from being at the front and absorbing fire and in general being an extra mech in a fight."

Then, you backpedalled a bit and said:

"That said it sure is possible to perform well aiming with stick/pad, just considerably more difficult than with a mouse, it takes a lot of practice, and the skill cap is going to be lower(mouse aiming to few pixels at ranges 1000m+ is always going to be quicker than stick/pad)."

Whether or not you meant to, the impression you gave to me (and likely many others) is that you look down on players using a joystick/gamepad for aiming as a general whole, that most players are terrible at using them effectively in MWO, and in general players should avoid doing so. If you mean something else, then you should state it more clearly.

Not to mention, if you have a different opinion, then why bother to even make those first several statements?

Again, if someone is having fun, then it is not your (or mine or anyone else's) place to condemn them for doing so. If they are bad, then so be it...enjoy the free kill, and if you play well enough your ELO will increase and you will see less of the "bad" players.

Look, it is great you play with the input devices you like, just do not be so quick to criticize others for their skill (or lack therof).

[Erkki]

So? Stick and pad are ineffective and people using them have made a conscious choice to hinder their performance and are also denying their team of a higher value asset. Thats a fact. Thats selfish too (now that is an opinion).

I guess what you find somehow insulting is someone stating that people who are ineffective and burden to their team are ineffective and burden to their team. Theres many ways to be one and one is being unable to aim precisely because of controller choices. Theres also people who have made bad/ineffective controller choices and still manage to, at least mostly, overcome them. I guess those people have also learned the other aspects of the game and are better players overall than the average (kb+mouse) player.

I also look down on people who who dont even bother trying to play but seem to enjoy more looking at flowers, sky, rocks, the scenery in general, suiciding or AFKing. They are similarly selfish and burden to their teams. But, one can find those in every f2p game and we have to learn to live with them.

I'm perfectly alright with new people, bad players, mediocre players(such as me), good players, good shots and bad shots, people who do their best and enjoy doing that. People taking part toa football match are expected to not arrive bare footed (nor just sit on the grass looking at clouds.)


Back on topic: if its possible to use a software to create sensitivity curves or filtering too for xbox pad I recommend trying out that feature. They can at times really help with the less precise joysticks especially.

Edited by Erkki, 16 July 2015 - 11:22 PM.