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[Scout Derek]

So, what tiers will these mechs be?

I'm not too sure as they're going to be fully customizable clan battlemechs, unlike the omnis that are in the game now.

I'm going to guess Jenner llc is a tier 1, hunchback llc tier 1/2, orion llc a tier 3, and the highlander a tier 3 as well.

You guys have any idea what tier they are?(in relation to battle effectiveness, ex: firestarter is a tier 1)

Edited by Scout Derek, 22 July 2015 - 12:13 PM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Eh, i think that the Orion and Highlander will be at least tier 2. I mean, Clan tech with IS customization.

[Mechteric]

Scout Derek, on 22 July 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

So, what tiers will these mechs be?

I'm not too sure as they're going to be fully customizable clan battlemechs, unlike the omnis that are in the game now.

I'm going to guess Jenner llc is a tier 1, hunchback llc tier 1/2, orion llc a tier 3, and the highlander a tier 3 as well.

You guys have any idea what tier they are?(in relation to battle effectiveness, ex: firestarter is a tier 1)

Pretty much as good as we can guess for now since they aren't even out yet.


Thread over? Probably.

[ScreamingSkull]

Probably tier 2 or 3 as you said. I think I'll have a lot of fun with them since I love ballistic weapons.

[Lugh]

Scout Derek, on 22 July 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

So, what tiers will these mechs be?

I'm not too sure as they're going to be fully customizable clan battlemechs, unlike the omnis that are in the game now.

I'm going to guess Jenner llc is a tier 1, hunchback llc tier 1/2, orion llc a tier 3, and the highlander a tier 3 as well.

You guys have any idea what tier they are?(in relation to battle effectiveness, ex: firestarter is a tier 1)

the IIC despite its OMG I killed another mech factor will be Tier 2, why? It's simple it will be SLOW and it will be low ammo count for TWO UAC20s or two Gauss.

SLOW + Low ammo will not allow it to be tier 1.

The Jenner may not make it to tier 1 either due to a lack of ecm and that HUGE CT hitbox it has, it will be near the top of Tier II but just short of Tier 1 I'd think.

The Highlander MAY make Tier 2 because Clan XL addresses one of the weaknesses there. Three LPL and a CUAC10 will be brutal on that thing.

Edited by Lugh, 22 July 2015 - 11:05 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

LLC?

IIC

As in Roman numeral II (2).....

[Scout Derek]

cdlord, on 22 July 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

LLC?

IIC

As in Roman numeral II (2).....

I did put ii, but for some reason it keeps putting it as LL....

*sighs*

[CDLord HHGD]

Scout Derek, on 22 July 2015 - 12:12 PM, said:

I did put ii, but for some reason it keeps putting it as LL....

*sighs*

Fair enough. Carry on.....

[Revis Volek]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 July 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

Pretty much as good as we can guess for now since they aren't even out yet.


Thread over? Probably.

Some people have too much time on their hands....

They will be what they are nothing more and nothing less i can guarantee you that 100%

Lugh, on 22 July 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

the IIC despite its OMG I killed another mech factor will be Tier 2, why? It's simple it will be SLOW and it will be low ammo count for TWO UAC20s or two Gauss.

SLOW + Low ammo will not allow it to be tier 1.

The Jenner may not make it to tier 1 either due to a lack of ecm and that HUGE CT hitbox it has, it will be near the top of Tier II but just short of Tier 1 I'd think.

The Highlander MAY make Tier 2 because Clan XL addresses one of the weaknesses there. Three LPL and a CUAC10 will be brutal on that thing.

You realize that NO jenner to date have ECM yet they have no problem performing at tier 1 levels....hence the lack of quirks on almost EVERY jenner.

ECM alone does not make you Tier 1

Edited by DarthRevis, 22 July 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

Lugh, on 22 July 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

the IIC despite its OMG I killed another mech factor will be Tier 2, why? It's simple it will be SLOW and it will be low ammo count for TWO UAC20s or two Gauss.

SLOW + Low ammo will not allow it to be tier 1.

The Jenner may not make it to tier 1 either due to a lack of ecm and that HUGE CT hitbox it has, it will be near the top of Tier II but just short of Tier 1 I'd think.

The Highlander MAY make Tier 2 because Clan XL addresses one of the weaknesses there. Three LPL and a CUAC10 will be brutal on that thing.

I'd be more concerned about the HBK-IIC-A than the ballistic variants, although 2x UAC10 could be pretty powerful.

HBK-IIC-A will be just straight up better than the Nova, and how it compares vs. the Stormcrow will be a question of hitboxes and JJ balance. It could very well be tier 1 material.

The others will definitely be better than their IS counterparts but there are too many potential drawbacks (hip weapons, bad hitboxes, low engine cap, poor weapon slots) to say they'll be higher than mid tier 2.

It's mostly just an offensive display of powercreep.

[N a p e s]

vnlk65n, on 22 July 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

I'd be more concerned about the HBK-IIC-A than the ballistic variants, although 2x UAC10 could be pretty powerful.

HBK-IIC-A will be just straight up better than the Nova, and how it compares vs. the Stormcrow will be a question of hitboxes and JJ balance. It could very well be tier 1 material.

The others will definitely be better than their IS counterparts but there are too many potential drawbacks (hip weapons, bad hitboxes, low engine cap, poor weapon slots) to say they'll be higher than mid tier 2.

It's mostly just an offensive display of powercreep.

HBK-IIC-A better than the Nova?

Sure you'll have the flexibility to equip whatever engine you want and ferro/endo will be available but it only has 2/3 the number of hardpoints. We can't discuss size or hitboxes because the HBK is not even finished and the Nova is getting resized.

I assume it will make a better hill humper but thats about it.

[Mcgral18]

PowerOfNapes, on 22 July 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

HBK-IIC-A better than the Nova?

Sure you'll have the flexibility to equip whatever engine you want and ferro/endo will be available but it only has 2/3 the number of hardpoints. We can't discuss size or hitboxes because the HBK is not even finished and the Nova is getting resized.

I assume it will make a better hill humper but thats about it.

6 is all you need, even 8 is overkill.


23DHS, 6 ERMLs or MPLs, JJs to your choosing with a 250-275XL engine. It will be good. It will be able to run laser builds the Loki runs.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

PowerOfNapes, on 22 July 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

HBK-IIC-A better than the Nova?

Sure you'll have the flexibility to equip whatever engine you want and ferro/endo will be available but it only has 2/3 the number of hardpoints. We can't discuss size or hitboxes because the HBK is not even finished and the Nova is getting resized.

I assume it will make a better hill humper but thats about it.

The only thing the Nova will do better is boat small lasers. The only thing that's going to change that is perks.

Even with any sort of resize, the Hunchback IIC is just going to be better due to having its hardpoints on the top of the torso, removable JJs, endosteel etc... all the things the Nova wishes it had. Nova is always going to have bad weapon hardpoints and a broad torso, otherwise it wouldn't be a Nova.

As for size, I'm confident it's going to be about the same size as the Hunchback.

[Cyborne Elemental]

I think the Orion will suffer from the same problems that ours does now, low arm hardpoints and easily targeted torso's, firepower wise, it will be strong but situational just like the IS ones.

Highlander, could be one very nice Assault to bring back the PPFLD meta, Ultra-AC10 + 2ERPPC +ClanDHS could be monstrous, will have to wait and see.

Hunchback will be an instant success, judging by how awesome the Hunchbacks have always been, combine great hardpoints with Clan XL and tech.. and if they're quirked as insanely as the IS variants, gonna be one nasty mech for sure.

Jenner is probably going to be either the #1 pick out of the bunch, or a very close 2nd place.

If I were to guess.

Hunchback-IIC Tier1/2
Jenner-IIC Tier1/2
Highlander-IIC Tier 2
Orion-IIC Tier 2/3

Edited by Mister D, 22 July 2015 - 05:11 PM.

[Scout Derek]

DarthRevis, on 22 July 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

Some people have too much time on their hands....

They will be what they are nothing more and nothing less i can guarantee you that 100%

Not enough time actually, I've got to work my arse off since I didn't have enough sick days to cover an extra day or two of the flu.

Nothing more is good, and nothing less too, I like it just between those two.

But a 100% guarantee is sort of suspicious, especially the one's who say their name is william from microsoft and say you're computer has viruses and back talk you like dirt.

[Hit the Deck]

If we are going by metamechs.com's competition tiering system, I pretty much agree with what has been said here.

• HGN-IIC most competitive loadout should be in the medium range (300-700m) and ranked somewhat below WHK because of the relatively slow speed (but have JJs).
  
• HGN-IIC: Endo, XL325 (64.3 kph), 1x cGauss (3t ammo), 3x cLPL, 9x DHS, 1x TC1, 3x JJ.
  
• HGN-IIC-C: Endo, Ferro, XL325 (64.3 kph), 2x cUAC/10 (6t ammo), 2x cLPL, 7x DHS, 1x TC1, 3x JJ.

• ON1-IIC should do the long range game rather decently if not somewhat slow for a heavy mech (WHK-"slow"). Unfortunately, its hardpoints are situated somewhat low based on the concept art.
  
• ON1-IIC-C: Endo, Ferro, STD300 (71.3 kph), 2x cGauss (6t ammo), 1x cERLL. You can also drop a ton of ammo, shave some armor, and swap the engine with something smaller to be able to fit a single cERPPC instead of cERLL.

• I haven't made any possible loadout for the Jenny and HBK but based on forum's speculation, they should be higher tiered than those two.