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[InnerSphereNews]

As a follow up to the Community Warfare Hardcore Unit Challenge here are some raw statistics for everyone to chew on!

Check out the Unit Stats here!

Match Stats
Total Matches: 105,634

Total Matches for each Game Mode
Invasion: 57,121
Counter Attack: 48,513

Participant Stats
Total participants: 9,702
Total IS participants: 5,449
Total Clan participants: 4,419
Participants changed from IS to Clan during the event: 88
Participants changed from Clan to IS during the event: 80

Participants by Faction
Clan Wolf: 1606
Steiner: 1388
Davion: 1334
Clan Jade Falcon: 1323
Kurita: 953
Rasalhague: 937
Clan Smoke Jaguar: 784
Clan Ghost Bear: 761
Liao: 515
Marik: 392

Units by Faction
Clan Wolf: 195
Clan Jade Falcon: 184
Steiner: 165
Davion: 147
Kurita: 135
Rasalhague: 130
Clan Smoke Jaguar: 111
Clan Ghost Bear: 107
Marik: 58
Liao: 53

Total Units participated: 1244

Unit Allegiance Changes
Units changed from IS to Clan during the event: 31
Units changed from Clan to IS during the event: 12
Units changed within IS factions during the event: 24
Units changed within Clan factions during the event: 14

'Mechs Destroyed
Total 'Mechs destroyed: 280,553
Total Clan 'Mechs destroyed: 133,759
Total IS 'Mechs destroyed: 146,794

Damage Done
Total Damage Done: 101,428,615
Total Damage Done by IS 'Mechs: 50,885,002
Total Damage Done by Clan 'Mechs: 50,543,613

Friendly Fire Damage Done
Total Friendly Fire: 2,621,026
Total Friendly Fire done by IS 'Mechs: 1,226,814
Total Friendly Fire done by Clan 'Mechs: 1,394,212

XP and C-Bill Earnings
Total XP earned: 337,173,341
Total CB earned: 31,425,618,288

'Mech Usage Stats

Top 20 IS 'Mechs Used

#	'Mech	Times Used
1	TDR-5SS	19,545
2	STK-4N	7,185
3	DRG-1N	6,786
4	TDR-9SE	6,672
5	JM6-DD	6,330
6	RVN-3L (C)	5,975
7	TDR-9SE (C)	5,734
8	RVN-3L	4,927
9	CDA-3M	4,822
10	TDR-9S	4,652
11	GRF-2N	4,584
12	BJ-1X	4,386
13	WVR-6K	3,993
14	SDR-5D	3,878
15	FS9-S	3,682
16	JM6-S	3,103
17	RVN-HERO	2,942
18	LCT-PB	2,780
19	VTR-9S (C)	2,674
20	HBK-4J	2,652

Top 20 Clan 'Mechs Used

#	'Mech	Times Used
1	HBR-PRIME	11,740
2	EBJ-PRIME (I)	10,377
3	SCR-C	9,503
4	HBR-A	8,628
5	SCR-D	8,460
6	HBR-B	8,053
7	SCR-PRIME	7,943
8	TBR-C	7,424
9	HBR-PRIME (I)	7,367
10	EBJ-B	7,151
11	EBJ-A	6,657
12	MDD-PRIME	6,378
13	TBR-S	5,276
14	TBR-PRIME	4,936
15	TBR-PRIME (I)	4,838
16	KFX-C	4,550
17	SCR-PRIME (I)	4,212
18	IFR-PRIME	3,807
19	MLX-PRIME	3,384
20	ADR-PRIME	3,220

[Wintersdark]

Anyone want to sort that clan mech list and compress the variants together, on account of there's no difference between most clan variants, and certainly none between, for example, a HBR-Prime and a HBR-Prime(I).

[Deathlike]

While unsurprised, but there were less Liao units and more Liao participation than Marik...

This is pretty sad.

[Irradiated Fish]

Compressed Clan list as requested (barring any potential mistakes - super long day)

1. HBR - 35,788
2. SCR - 30,118
3. EBJ - 24,185
4. TBR - 22,474
5. MDD - 6378
6. KFX - 4550
7. IFR - 3807
8. MLX - 3384
9. ADR - 3220

[1453 R]

Fish beat me to it.

Interesting to note that between the 3l and 3L[C], the RVN-3L was the second most commonly deployed Spheroid 'Mech. People keep insisting the thing is week-old-fish level garbage, and yet it beat out everything but the top 4 Clan chassis (which, given the condensing, all have inflated numbers as compared to regular Sphere 'Mechs as Clan chassis don't really work the same) and the Blunderdolt.

Hmm.

[Dracol]

HBR Chassis total = 35,788
TBolt Chassis total = 36,603

That 65 ton sweet spot.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Re-sorted and annotated for truth (and presented in a larger, more legible font):

Inner Sphere

• TDR-5SS: 19,545
  
• TDR-9SE: 12,406 (Regular and Champion combined)
  
• RVN-3L: 10,903
  
• STK-4N: 7,186
  
• DRG-1N: 6,786
  
• JM6-DD: 6,330 (Debated combining this with JM6-S, a lot of people run both these 'mechs with the same builds- 2xGR or 2xAC/20)
  
• CDA-3M: 4,822
  
• TDR-9S: 4,652
  
• GRF-2N: 4,584
  
• BJ-1X: 4,386
  
• WVR-6K: 3,993+ (Champion version of this did not make board on its own, so this count is inaccurately low. Cannot be more than 6,600, though.)
  
• SDR-5D: 3,878
  
• FS9-S: 3,682+ (Champion version of this did not make the board on its own, so this count is inaccurately low. Cannot be more than 6,300, though.)
  
• HUGINN: 2,942
  
• PIRATE'S BANE: 2,7680
  
• VTR-9S: 2,674+ (Champion version of this did not make the board on its own, so this count is inaccurately low. Cannot be more than 5,300, though.)
  
• HBK-4J: 2,652

Looks like the Thuds are still tromping all over everything else, and Ravens are still the favored ECM by a long shot. Got some inaccurate counts though, due to (for no actual reason) marking Champions as somehow a separate 'mech. This could skew perception in a few cases, though none of the possible skews breaks the top 4 IS chassis variants.






Clans

• Hellbringer: 34,788 (Note- no functional difference between CTs. All Hellbringers made the board, though.)
  
• Stormcrow: 30,118+ (Note- no functional difference between CTs. B and A didn't make the board, so this value may be low by as much as 6,400)
  
• Ebon Jaguar: 24,185 (Note- no functional difference between CTs. All EBJs except C made the board, so this value may be low by as much as 3,200.)
  
• Total Timber Wolves: 23,444+ (Two CTs did not make this list, so this value may be low by as much as 6,400)
  
• Timber Wolf Prime: 9,744
  
• Timber Wolf A/C/D: 7,424+ (Note- no functional difference between these CTs. A and D didn't make the board, so this value may be low by as much as 6,400)
  
• Mad Dog Prime: 6,378 (Note- no other CTs, despite the lack of difference, made the board. Therefore, this value may be low by as much as 9,600)
  
• Timber Wolf S: 6,276
  
• Kit Fox: 4,550+ (Note- no functional difference between these CTs. Only the C CT actually hit the leaderboard, so this value may be low by as much as 9,600)
  
• Ice Ferret: 3,807+ (Note- the A CT is different, and only the Prime made the leaderboard. This value may be low by as much as 12,800- 9,600 if we count the IFR-A as separate.)
  
• Mist Lynx: 3,384+ (Note- no functional difference between CTs, but only the Prime made the leaderboard. This value may be low by as much as 12,800)
  
• Adder: 3,220+ (Note- no functional difference between CTs, but only the Prime made the leaderboard. This value may be low by as much as 9,600)

A lot more Hellbringers than I would have guessed, that's for certain. Some weird CT breakdowns, like people preferring the TBR-C center torso despite it being literally exactly the same as the A and D. Much like how nothing IS touches the top 4 no matter what, nothing, no matter how big the missing data, catches up to the Crow, nevermind the Bringer.







One thing I did learn is that PGI isn't terribly good at breaking down data like this properly- there's no reason to list the IS Champions as separate from the regular versions, they aren't functionally different in combat. Similarly, the Clan list should have been compressed a lot and included all variants of each 'mech that made the top 20 with any variants at all; it would be a lot more representative and answer more questions- right now the view we get from this of Clan 'mech frequencies is in error by as much as a 400% margin of error (Hi, Mist Lynx!). Not acceptable for statistical analysis. Barely adequate for guessing.

Edit: A few math corrections.

Edited by Quickdraw Crobat, 22 July 2015 - 05:07 PM.

[White Bear 84]

The clan list has such variety. Hellbringers and Stormcrows.. ..what a surprise.

[Wintersdark]

I wish they'd compressed it as it stands. Even where their is a difference between CT's, ultimately that difference is incredibly small. Sure, the TBR C/D/A CT's have an extra E hardpoint, but it's not like you're struggling to find E hardpoints on Timberwolves.

Incidentally, as to why people prefer C's to D's and A's: They don't "prefer" it, it's just most common because I'd hazard a guess that the majority of Timberwolf owners bought them in a pack, or before the D and A where released. As such, the C was the "CT To Get". No reason to buy A or D CT's after you have a C.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Wintersdark, on 22 July 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

I wish they'd compressed it as it stands. Even where their is a difference between CT's, ultimately that difference is incredibly small. Sure, the TBR C/D/A CT's have an extra E hardpoint, but it's not like you're struggling to find E hardpoints on Timberwolves.

Sure, but the Prime has a ballistic nobody wants, and the S has a Jump Jet. I believe they have different quirks than the E center torsos also? Not sure offhand.

When I say 'no difference' I mean absolutely no functional difference, even minimal ones like 2.5% twist rate or acceleration backwards or what have you.

[Iqfish]

I am surprised and scared by how few people played this event.

[Wintersdark]

Iqfish, on 22 July 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

I am surprised and scared by how few people played this event.

10,000ish people seems pretty reasonable given:
1) It's only people who are in units - ultimately that's going to be a lower number than the random solos.
2) It's Beta CW. Many players are either uninterested in it, or enjoyed it but are somewhat burnt out at the limited scope we have right now.

I didn't participate, for example. Just wasn't really into the looooooong waits to get a match; I haven't had a lot of time to play in a sitting over the last couple months, typically just an hour at a time at best. That's just not good for CW. It's good for just one match, IF I get into a group and get queued immediately. Not worth the hassle.

[soaq]

I'll just put this here.

https://docs.google....#gid=2058546707

rank for units with info provided from
https://mwomercs.com...enge-statistics

Edited by soaq, 22 July 2015 - 06:50 PM.

[Tahawus]

So, why didn't they tell us how many matches were won by IS and Clan, and how many planets changed hands for eac? I'm interested in those numbers, though they're probably afraid of throwing fuel on the Clans are op fire.

[Kin3ticX]

Tukayyid

Units: 251
Avg size: 64.3
Avg active: 29



Hardcore

Units: 250
average members - 61.1
average active - 20

[Zfailboat]

Total Clan 'Mechs destroyed: 133,759
Total IS 'Mechs destroyed: 146,794

Total Damage Done by IS 'Mechs: 50,885,002
Total Damage Done by Clan 'Mechs: 50,543,613

And this says everything right here. Clans did a small amount less damage (very small) however killed 10% more mechs. The only possibility of this is due to XL Engines on IS mechs vs clans.

The fact is, no matter how many players there are, or what mechs there are its still 48 vs 48 per match. Total damage is relatively even however IS dies faster due to XL engines.


this equates to 380.42 dmg per death of a clan mech vs
344.31 dmg per death of an IS mech - when you consider that a lot of the IS mechs include re-enforced quirks on torso's it shows you the difference is quite considerable.

it remains the only factor that needs to be balanced. If you look at the top used IS mechs you see this re-enforced.
Raven XL Engine
Dragon XL Engine
Jager XL engine
Cicada XL engine

etc etc. the reason the TDR is used so much along with the stalker 4n is that the quirks give IS the only competitive options that don't need XL engines to compete.

If this doesn't show PGI what is missing when doing the next quirk major pass then nothing will.

[Desintegrator]

Not even 10000 players played during this event !
That's not much...

But its Summer time and during Winter we would have seen at least double number of players.

But its quite clear that a lot of players have left MWO, or did not take part in events any more.

[Mad Dog Morgan]

You notice something? Only ONE assault mech in that entire list.

[DebaucheryNShenanigans]

No, it basically proves people were not willing to wait around for matches to get stomped, not get their 80pts, and even fail to achieve a doll cockpit item.

Didn't people already predict MAJOR uber units with big populations to smash it, DIDNT people already predict -MS- would blitz it in their sleep.

this was a farcical event by PGI proving smaller unis would be better at keeping game play fair and interesting.

Look at the current IS map.
NO fresh player looking in on this map would deem it a fair playground that they would like to participate in
case closed

Edited by Fluero, 23 July 2015 - 12:25 AM.

[Clownwarlord]

Since the clan mechs are omni their listing is kinda pointless unless you add them all up.

So even though a Hellbring says 11k for the prim add in the other variants because you can get the same builds.Added up 35,788 if you subtract the Prime (I) because it might have been counted twice you get 28421

So while people complain about IS Thunder Wub 5SS at 19k but then you have at least 28k clan Hellbringers with their possible ECM.