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[Qayos]

The Unseen may remain Unseen, but the Reseen could totally be in the game.

[Wolftrap]

Unseen aren't unseen anymore...otherwise catalyst game labs who took over the Battletech gaming liscenses couldn't even show a "remodified look" of the mechs. In the orginal 3050 or 3055 TRO and was discontinued because the IIC versions of the "unseen" mechs looked to similar and had to be pulled. Yes they look different but so does the centurion, trebuchet and stalker(no more walking cigar...thank you) that MWO has released new concept art for our pleasure.

from saranet:
The Reseen are 'Mechs that were formerly Unseen but thanks to negotiations with the property owners are now present in the BattleTech universe. They include the Locust, Griffin, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, Scorpion, Wolverine, and BattleMaster.
Not as many as ppl hope...but a start.

Which raises the question if some of the mechs are still unseen...how did catalyst get away with the TRO: Project Phoniex...it had all the unseen mechs in it.

[Flux]

They still sell miniatures with looks based on the Project Phoniex redesigns.
Hence there really are no more UnSeen.

[MADEVIL]

Well back when things were at a stop and we didn't know what was going on I remember reading this article about some of the crap with the game and unseen. http://www.terrania....ech-second.html

I've been a long time fan of Battletech and remember all the stories of the tabletop game going to pulled off the shelves and we'd have long talks about while playing the game and talking to the guys at the hobby shop on what was going on and if they heard any new news. I enjoy a lot of the old mech designs, but in some ways with so many mechs out there it would be nice to some of the newer mech that have had little to no time in any of the computer games. Like all of us I'm just a big fan of Battletech because the orignal game and its history and look forward to seeing the game continue on in all of its forms.

[Belorion]

Atomfire, on 05 July 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

You have durpped hard, Harmony lost the rights last year.

I don't know that they lost it persey... If you search for Harmony Gold vs Catalyst Labs there is an interesting article that sheds some light on the issue.

[Sychodemus]

For the sake of the Battletech franchise and all the respective copyright holders, we need to move on and stop worrying about something that cannot be helped. Even if HG lost their claim and only the Japanese studios were involved from this point forward, Battletech would still be vulnerable to the exact same situation again.
And rightfully so. That is what happens when you use "out of house" images, words or music. At this point, it has very little to do with what they look like and more to do with the fact that the owners of Battletech do not want to use images that they themselves do not own.

No one can ever take away the fond memories of the Unseen. But this is Battletech, the 'Mechs will still be here, they may just look different.

The following is a list of all "out of house" images and their source. Almost all of them have been redesigned and may be redesigned yet again.

• Crusher Joe: Locust, Corsair (ASF), Samurai (ASF), Sparrowhawk (ASF), Galleon (CV), Leopard (DS)

• SDF Macross: Archer, Crusader, Falcon, Firebee (BD version), Hornet (BD version), Longbow, Marauder, Marauder II, Ostroc, Ostscout, Ostsol, Phoenix Hawk, Phoenix HAwk LAM, Rifleman, Stinger, Stinger LAM, Valkyrie, Warhammer, Wasp, Wasp LAM.

• Fang of the Sun Dougram: Battlemaster, Goliath, Griffin, Scorpion, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, Wolverine.

• Victor Musical Industries: Behemoth, Galahad, Goshawk, Grand Crusader, Griffin IIC, Hellhound, Howler, Kraken, Locust IIC, Marauder IIC, Nexus, Phoenix Hawk IIC, Raijin, Rifleman IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Warhammer IIC, Viper, Vixen.

[MechRaccoon]

You do not know about the Unseen, good sir.

You see, it's not that the Unseen have been completely banished from BT, it's just that their original art and stuff has been banished. So, a game developer or whatever can use the BattleMaster, for example, but it can't look like this:


If anyone wants to use the BattleMaster, it has to look like one of the reseen variants like this one:




Could you PLEASE study up more before making a topic like this?

[MagnusEffect]

Behold:

Watch as I prove Jacob Davion wrong as well as anyone else with the same thought on this issue:




My original art design "Mermaid" is available for licensing to any interested buyers... for $1. Nah.. lets make it $.001.

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See what I just did there? I made a new art design that is not bound to any copyright issues.

The point is, with a little creativity and ORIGINAL ART DESIGN, we can have our Marauder, Warhammer, and whatever else back.

Do you morons (Jacob Davion) get it? It's the ART that's the issue, not the mech itself! There is no good reason that we can't have the Unseen back if they have original art designs.

(edit: also what MechRaccoon said)

I'm sooooo tired of newbish MW players thinking the Mad Cat is the-end-all-be-all when it comes to iconic mechs. It is to be sure (for the Clans), but the Warhammer and Marauder are right up there too with everyone else that knows the whole story. It just doesn't appear that way to the casual observer now because the designs have been in legal limbo for so long. Having the Unseen in this game (regardless of how they look) is important to A LOT of us.

Make no mistake that would be one ******* awesome Christmas content update

Edited by MagnusEffect, 05 July 2012 - 06:49 PM.

[Belorion]

Looks like a Marauder.

[MagnusEffect]

Belorion, on 05 July 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Looks like a Marauder.

Except the dorsal gun is different, the arms are different, the legs are (completely) different... etc.

Are you just trolling or do you seriously not get the point?

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Personally, I always hated the spindly design of the legs and upper arms on the original marauder/battle pod-thing. I would really like to see the Marauder with legs that are a beefier version of the Crab. From an anatomical/mechanical perspective, they make more sense:

Edited by MagnusEffect, 05 July 2012 - 06:46 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

And I'd like to see a crab with forearm energy weapon pods instead of... those.

But PGI likely isn't going to do another 50 ton mech any time soon. we already have 2.

[Zso Sahal]

Thank you for either posting private, confidential information that may have been gleaned from discussions that may or may not have happened between PGI and the respective copywrite holders. (Which means you'll either be hearing from a lawyer soon, or you're full of crap.) Go back and read the bloody Dev post which goes something like "Wait for a Future Announcement". Which Hasn't Happened. So, we continue waiting.

Short version, you have no basis for this post. You should feel bad.

[Jacob Davion]

Wolftrap, on 05 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Unseen aren't unseen anymore...otherwise catalyst game labs who took over the Battletech gaming liscenses couldn't even show a "remodified look" of the mechs. In the orginal 3050 or 3055 TRO and was discontinued because the IIC versions of the "unseen" mechs looked to similar and had to be pulled. Yes they look different but so does the centurion, trebuchet and stalker(no more walking cigar...thank you) that MWO has released new concept art for our pleasure.

from saranet:
The Reseen are 'Mechs that were formerly Unseen but thanks to negotiations with the property owners are now present in the BattleTech universe. They include the Locust, Griffin, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, Scorpion, Wolverine, and BattleMaster.
Not as many as ppl hope...but a start.

Which raises the question if some of the mechs are still unseen...how did catalyst get away with the TRO: Project Phoniex...it had all the unseen mechs in it.

Oh really? THEN I WANNA SEE THE BANE (KRAKEN) 3 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wrayeth]

zer0imh, on 05 July 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

looks like an offspring of the direwolf and the marauder

legs = direwolf

How else do you think little omnimechs are made?

Jacob Davion, on 05 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Oh really? THEN I WANNA SEE THE BANE (KRAKEN) 3 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dunno about the Kraken 3, but the reprint of TRO 3055 that came out a few months ago has art for the Kraken 4 (and lists the Kraken 3 under the variants section).

[Steel Raven]

NOT THIS AGAIN

[Sychodemus]

Jacob Davion, on 05 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Oh really? THEN I WANNA SEE THE BANE (KRAKEN) 3 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Kraken has been redesigned and there is art for the first, fourth and XR variants of that redesign. Regarding the third variant, offical artwork has not been released yet, either due to space limits or the fact that no matter how it is drawn, it will probably look silly with the 124 missile tubes. (Looking at non-official art and different miniatures, I feel justified in that statement.)


EDIT: PLOG's unofficial art for the second and third variants confused me for a second. Sorry.

Edited by Sychodemus, 05 July 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[Shoklar]

Sychodemus, on 05 July 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

For the sake of the Battletech franchise and all the respective copyright holders, we need to move on and stop worrying about something that cannot be helped. Even if HG lost their claim and only the Japanese studios were involved from this point forward, Battletech would still be vulnerable to the exact same situation again.
And rightfully so. That is what happens when you use "out of house" images, words or music. At this point, it has very little to do with what they look like and more to do with the fact that the owners of Battletech do not want to use images that they themselves do not own.

No one can ever take away the fond memories of the Unseen. But this is Battletech, the 'Mechs will still be here, they may just look different.

The following is a list of all "out of house" images and their source. Almost all of them have been redesigned and may be redesigned yet again.

• Crusher Joe: Locust, Corsair (ASF), Samurai (ASF), Sparrowhawk (ASF), Galleon (CV), Leopard (DS)

• SDF Macross: Archer, Crusader, Falcon, Firebee (BD version), Hornet (BD version), Longbow, Marauder, Marauder II, Ostroc, Ostscout, Ostsol, Phoenix Hawk, Phoenix HAwk LAM, Rifleman, Stinger, Stinger LAM, Valkyrie, Warhammer, Wasp, Wasp LAM.

• Fang of the Sun Dougram: Battlemaster, Goliath, Griffin, Scorpion, Shadow Hawk, Thunderbolt, Wolverine.

• Victor Musical Industries: Behemoth, Galahad, Goshawk, Grand Crusader, Griffin IIC, Hellhound, Howler, Kraken, Locust IIC, Marauder IIC, Nexus, Phoenix Hawk IIC, Raijin, Rifleman IIC, Shadow Hawk IIC, Warhammer IIC, Viper, Vixen.

Since when has the Behemoth been one of the unseen? Granted its been about 4 years, but last I checked, you can still get minis for it (when you couldn't get them for the Marauder, Battlemaster, Pheonix Hawk, etc).

[zer0imh]

Wrayeth, on 05 July 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

How else do you think little omnimechs are made?

check your history/timeline.

Edited by zer0imh, 05 July 2012 - 10:09 PM.

[Sychodemus]

Shoklar, on 05 July 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Since when has the Behemoth been one of the unseen? Granted its been about 4 years, but last I checked, you can still get minis for it (when you couldn't get them for the Marauder, Battlemaster, Pheonix Hawk, etc).

The original Behemoth image was made by Victor Musical Industries. As an "out of house" design it became an Unseen until it was redesigned.

Just remember that even though you can still buy a product does not mean that the company's policy has not changed. Once a merchant has purchased something it can stay in circulation for years.

[Kristina Sarah McEvedy]

WizKids released revamped versions of a bunch of the Unseen with no legal problems what-so-ever.

Releases of the Unseen may still be possible, but they'll have to be revamped/new designs in order for them to be used.