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Buff Class 5 Jump Jets, Shadow Cat Jumps Better Than Mist Lynx!


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#1 bad arcade kitty

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:07 PM

do cats eat bats... these certainly can
these flying cats with 6 jj jump 70.31 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=296
mist lynxes with their 6 jj jump just 62.44 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=225
kit foxes with 6 jj can achieve merely 52.03 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=177

it's ridiculous how easy they hover on the hpg manifold wall, only spider 5v with more than 8 jump jets (!) can jump better (8 jj - 69.38 meters http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ab#i=51&l=stock, maximum it can take 12 for 104.06 meters http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ecea00421d0b5c0)

don't you think that 25 ton light mechs deserve to jump better than 45 ton ones with the same amount of jets?

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 23 July 2015 - 03:32 PM.


#2 Monkey Lover

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:10 PM

I would trade speed of the jump over height anyday. The 25 ton mechs are a lot faster when jumping.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 23 July 2015 - 03:11 PM.


#3 Mcgral18

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:18 PM

Theoretically, they should jump to the same ability.

As should the Victor K with 6. That is how the TT system worked...but JJs couldn't exceed walking speed.



I'm not sure how I feel about it.

#4 Scout Derek

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:20 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 23 July 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

do cats eat bats... these certainly can
these flying cats jump 70.31 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=296
mist lynxes jump just 62.44 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=225
kit foxes can achieve merely 52.03 meters http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=177

it's ridiculous how easy they hover on the hpg manifold wall, only spider 5v with more than 8 jump jets (!) can jump better (8 jj - 69.38 meters http://mwo.smurfy-ne...=51&l=stock, maximum it can take 12 for 104.06 meters http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ecea00421d0b5c0)

don't you think that 25 ton light mechs deserve to jump better than 45 ton ones with the same amount of jets?

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Edited by Scout Derek, 23 July 2015 - 05:45 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:25 PM

View PostScout Derek, on 23 July 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

I dunno, tough argument but we're talking about a 45 ton mech of it's own kind that can mount 6 jump jets. I dont see any other mech as of now to be able to mount that amount of jump jets.


are you kidding? all the mechs listed (mlx, kfx) mount 6 jj or (sdr-5v) up to 12

it's the recent class 1-4 jj buff which left lights outside of the buff train

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 23 July 2015 - 03:27 PM.


#6 RedDevil

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:53 PM

Just curious, how fast do the lights JJ recharge? I know they recharge faster than assault JJ's do.

#7 Scout Derek

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 04:59 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 23 July 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:


are you kidding? all the mechs listed (mlx, kfx) mount 6 jj or (sdr-5v) up to 12

it's the recent class 1-4 jj buff which left lights outside of the buff train

If I wasn't specific, sorry, I was talking about other mediums, more specifically the 45 ton mechs.

No other 45 tonner can mount that amount of jump jets.

#8 killkimno

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:03 PM

View PostScout Derek, on 23 July 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

If I wasn't specific, sorry, I was talking about other mediums, more specifically the 45 ton mechs.

No other 45 tonner can mount that amount of jump jets.


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Edited by killkimno, 23 July 2015 - 05:20 PM.


#9 Throbbinwood

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:04 PM

Vindicator 1AA jumps 70.31 as well.

#10 Scout Derek

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:27 PM

View Postkillkimno, on 23 July 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:


Oh thanks, now no nerfs haha.

And excuse the dead brain thinking, I haven't been myself lately.

Moving on...

#11 bad arcade kitty

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:30 PM

wannabe ecm-less shadowcat vini http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e38eaa7be8ce15b

also derek, we (i) don't ask for nerfs, i ask for a buff to class 5 jj just like class 1-4 got

#12 Scout Derek

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:41 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 23 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

wannabe ecm-less shadowcat vini http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e38eaa7be8ce15b

also derek, we (i) don't ask for nerfs, i ask for a buff to class 5 jj just like class 1-4 got

As I said, brain dead....

#13 Alistair Winter

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:41 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 23 July 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

don't you think that 25 ton light mechs deserve to jump better than 45 ton ones with the same amount of jets?

Yes. But it's tricky. There's only 2 reasons stopping PGI from going crazy with jump jet capacity.

1- Fear of poptarts. With heavies and assaults, this is a real threat. With mediums, less so. Sure, the Nova is proving effective in the right hands, but few people are skilled enough to pull it off to the point where they can still defend themselves in a tough spot. But with light mechs, poptarts are hardly a concern at all, because their paper thin armour makes it fairly easy to swat them out of the sky over time. Jump jets would need to be insanely good for light mech poptarts to actually become a plague in this game.

2- Balancing jumpers vs non-jumpers. This is the tricky part. The more you buff jump jets, the worse non-jumping light mechs become by comparison. For example, the Wolfhound, Adder and RVN-2X are already at a considerable disadvantage. But if jump jets become extremely useful, then there's fear that those mechs will be outright obsolete.

I think the solution is simply to have an exponential return when choosing number of jump jets. This will prevent light mechs with 1 or 2 jump jets from being disproportionally good, despite having only spent 0.5 or 1 ton on jump jets. Make it something like this:
1 jump jet: 5 meters height
2 jump jets: 10 meters height
3 jump jets: 20 meters height
4 jump jets: 35 meters height
5 jump jets: 55 meters height
6 jump jets: 80 meters height

The numbers might not be appropriate, but you get the idea. Exponential increase, because firepower also loses its effectiveness exponentially on light mechs as you spend more and more weight on jump jets. Consider the difference in effectiveness having 2, 4 or 6 medium lasers.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:52 PM

It is kinda funny about how ShadCats are making JJ's look good again.

Personally I think they should buff JJ's all around for mechs... it'd increase TTK, force people to build and play differently... hell with having 3 AC's and 3 ShadCats constantly in matches poking in and out at different elevations has really changed things up.

#15 XxXAbsolutZeroXxX

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:54 PM

Wolverine 7K and 6R can mount 7 jump jets @ 67.12 m.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:14 PM

View Postbad arcade kitty, on 23 July 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:


are you kidding? all the mechs listed (mlx, kfx) mount 6 jj or (sdr-5v) up to 12

it's the recent class 1-4 jj buff which left lights outside of the buff train

I'd settle for lights taking less fall damage, or getting longer burn times. Having to save part of your burn to keep your legs intact severely cuts the useful jump distance/height you can actually get.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:18 PM

The Mist Lynx is what it is... a terribad mech.

I'm trying to remember if top speed affects JJ height, but Shadowcat does have MASC to improve the JJ-ability of mechs, so they are very likely related.

#18 Sjorpha

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:23 PM

View PostDeathlike, on 23 July 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

I'm trying to remember if top speed affects JJ height.


Nope.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:33 PM

I think we should just stop asking for JJ buffs and just try to push the subject of an overhaul, the current system isn't really working for any class of mech imo.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:35 PM

View PostSjorpha, on 23 July 2015 - 06:23 PM, said:


Nope.


It does to a degree.. at certain angles JJs fly when a dash of crack speed is applied. It affects Lights more for obvious reasons, and it makes for crazier trajectories and landings.





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