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[Hound of War]

Its simple: ppl shooting at me Intentionally (wanting to hit or not) are the enemy and must be put down...or at least tied to the tree of woe.

[topgun505]

Actions have consequences.

You should have used VOIP to tell him in channel to move his arse out of the way.

If you aren't on VOIP, then shame on you. If he wasn't on VOIP and/or you weren't on VOIP because you were in a group on your own TS then you should have texted (since you can spare a moment to type since you had no way to move).

Warning shots ... I can understand. But you were a little careless about it.

Just because two players are not in the same faction dues not mean they aren't in a group. I've been in probably 4 or 5 units over the past 3 years so I have friends scattered all over and consequently get invited to groups from people not in my unit all the time. Probably what happened there. The guy you shot complained to his group and some of them in turn shot you.

Some people are more sensitive about FF than others. I was in a game in River City a day ago and was open CT so was hanging back between a rock and a building on a set up firing lane pumping in what damage I could without exposing too much. A friendly spider ran up to me probably wanting to get behind the building I was next to. Rather than jump over me or go around the building he stopped in front of me and fired a burst of MG into my CT. It was flat out deliberate. By rights I should have lowered the beatstick on him, especially since I was crit CT. I was annoyed but I let it go. I imagine many other players in that situation however would have had a less friendly response.

[Screech]

I find it ironic that this thread's progression vaguely resembles the events that precipitated it.

Edited by Screech, 24 July 2015 - 06:46 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

OP, I think you need to grow some cajones.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 24 July 2015 - 07:22 AM.

[Chuck Jager]

You shot him he shot you. Yours was an accident. He actually had the skill to hit what he wanted to. I like this guy and never want to see you on my team. Accidents are not an excuse, you are the one who started the whole thing. You have a right to report it, but it takes some effort. It takes more effort than not shooting your lasers by accident. PGI probably did this on purpose to keep their workload from being jammed by irresponsible **** *****. FYI PGI may send them a warning after they get multiple complaints where the FF was only one sided.

IF you are out of game an are typing while switching into game this can sometimes trigger your weapons.

[Dimento Graven]

Y'know what's uncalled for? Testing weapons in a match.

First off: You can set up weapon groups in the mech lab.

Secondly: You can "test" weapon groups in the training ground where stupid stuff like this won't happen.

I absolutely hate it when people I drop with "test" their weapons immediately upon spawning. You just never know if you have a teammate that's going to be unexpectedly crossing in front of you, and blammo, you've just shot him, and now you must die for being an idiot.

Why they didn't leg you too, I don't know, perhaps they were restraining themselves.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 24 July 2015 - 07:38 AM.

[Mystere]

YuGiOhMonster, on 23 July 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

So the appropriate response is to utterly destroy my mech, because of 2 points of damage? Heck, I could have dealt more when he crashed into me. And what's up with the second player also shooting me?

I have been known to "accidentally drop" artillery and air strikes on team mates who have shot me.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

I will never forget a game on alpine. Me and my friend were in the group que, and I was issuing commands ( our team didnt participate in the same DERP HILL strat ). Anyways, some guy didnt like not going to the hill, so he alphad me in the back and killed me with 1 alpha. Luckily, my friend in a Direwolf was in the drop, and I told him to shoot that guy in the back. He happily obliged and killed him in 1 alpha. I told the guy in chat as he died " thats what you get for killin team noob ". Good times.

[Jeb]

If you do HAVE to test your weapons in a match instead of in testing grounds, then make sure no one else is around you... I can't count the number of times I have spawned, started to run, and had some random person testing weapons hit me...
I usually let it slide but it means I am at a disadvantage now for the rest of the game.


In this case, where you intentionally fired at him as a "warning" you really were the agressor.. (your warning was way too close if you grazed him... and even if you had missed, he may have thought you were trying to hit him)

Really in this situation it sounds like you broke the rules first.
Yes he also broke the rules by attacking back, but since you did hit him first, and didn't say sorry, it would be in poor taste to report him...

Edited by Jeb, 24 July 2015 - 08:05 AM.

[Lexx]

YuGiOhMonster, on 23 July 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Hello.

I see no way to report a player in the game. I don't see a way to provide proof of misconduct, since we do not have replays or damage logs.

I read the Code of Conduct and I know that I am not allowed to reveal the names of these two players.

At 6:42-45 am UK time (5:42-45 UTC?), on forest colony, I spawned in a BJ-1Dc with 51 center torso armor and 39 side torso armor.

I was testing a new loadout (5 ML, 1 ERPPC).

About 30 seconds into the game, I fired my weapons into the ground. 30 seconds later, the first player, in a Kintaro, crashed into my side, stopped in front of me, turned around and faced me.

I fired my medium lasers above his head to make him go away. One medium laser grazed the head for aroun half a second.

After a short delay, he fired upon me with all weapons several times, for about 30 seconds, then left. A Summoner (player 2, not in the same clan or group as player 1), paused in front of me, and shot me as well before moving on.

I was left with yellow ST and orange unarmored CT. That's about 70 points of damage with an exposed center torso. After telling Player 1 in chat that he had reduced me to 74% armor in retaliation for the grazing hit of a single medium laser, I went on to meet the first enemy.

I died to two successive strikes of LRMs not a minute later.

What should I do now? I wrote down the names of the two players. Player 1's justification at the end of the game was that "it's public drops" in a deal with it manner.

You have monster in your name. Gamers spend so much time killing monsters that it probably just seemed right to shoot you. Especially after you went all "aggro" and shot him first.

It's become somewhat of a pet peeve with me when other players on my team go around "testing their weapons". It can be really distracting when they do it in the middle of a match. I was on that high area in the middle of the map on Mining Colony with Warhawk next to me. He started firing behind us so I turn around, expecting to see an enemy there. No enemy, he was firing randomly into the buildings. While I was turned around an enemy came around the corner and cored out my rear armor. If he hadn't gotten bored and spazzed out firing his weapons, I would have been prepared to shoot that enemy that came around the corner.

Please don't fire your weapons without a valid target, it can distract your teammates. If you really need to test a new loadout, take it into the training grounds where you can select any map in the game.

Edited by Lexx, 24 July 2015 - 08:17 AM.

[Tiger Dad]

Seems to be a lot more d*cks out there shooting own teammates. Dunno why that is. I can take FF when I'm moving around. But either the pings are so bad that they cant see us when they shoot. Or there are gonna be more asses out there because more people are getting into this game. Gawd, imagine when Steam comes. Asses for miles. I dunno, I may just be pissy cause I got shot by my own teammates last night waaay to fricking often. It seems to be mostly guys in Assaults and heavies.

[AdamBaines]

Mister Blastman, on 24 July 2015 - 07:20 AM, said:

OP, I think you need to grow some cajones.

Coffees for CLOSERS.......

[Joseph Mallan]

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I fired my medium lasers above his head to make him go away. One medium laser grazed the head for aroun half a second.

YeOlWardog, on 24 July 2015 - 05:31 AM, said:

Its simple: ppl shooting at me Intentionally (wanting to hit or not) are the enemy and must be put down...or at least tied to the tree of woe.

So by your logic, The Kintaro had every right to fire back at you... the one who fired first. Intentional or not, YOU fired first.

[Kubernetes]

OP you done messed up. I normally let it slide, but sometimes the amount of "unintentional" FF at the beginning of matches just starts to piss me off and I shoot back.

As others have mentioned, use the damn training grounds to set weapons groups and test heat. Weapons don't malfunction in MWO, so there is no excuse to start firing off weapons in the middle of formation when you drop. If you absolutely must test your guns, DRIVE UP TO A WALL AND SHOOT INTO THE WALL.

[Piney II]

Kiiyor, on 24 July 2015 - 04:48 AM, said:

I have a slightly more... morally flexible return fire policy.

In the heat of battle, FF happens. People don't understand or respect fire lanes, people panic, people sense blood in the water when there's just a couple of enemy mechs left, people make poor life choices with artillery (i've had 3 FF kills with the one strike... yikes) people mistake a friendly target in the heat of battle, or people screw up. I get it, I've done it, I accept it.

I do, however, have a zero tolerance approach for avoidable FF. Shooting at the start of a match isn't rocket science. You can do it, but for the love of god check the minimap first.

If you shoot me at the start of a match, and the strike is anything more than a casual observer would categorize as a 'glancing hit', you have 5 Mississippis to apologize in chat before the Automated Disproportionate Response Software™ in my mech kicks in. I event start at ZERO Mississippi, instead of cheating and going straight to one. If I get an apology though, i'll pretty much never return fire, unless it was exceptionally blatant.

The new collision mechanics don't help either, as not being able to get past something leads to frustration, and frustration sends more blood and electrical impulses to the flexor tendons in that trigger finger, inexorably increasing the tension until not clicking is more of an effort than clicking....

[old man style story time rant]
I had a StormCrow stuck behind my Awesome the other night. I was trying to reverse, and found that impossible while the Crow was trying to give my mech an ***** with it's cockpit. I resigned myself to not reversing, and instead turned to move around - which just so happened to co-incide with the Alpha strike that he must have intended for my back. I started to type out a "WTF" in chat, but seeing that shooting me in the face had cost him plausible deniability, he decided to go for broke before I could retaliate. Pre-emptive-emptive strike I guess. My Awesome may not be tier 1 meta, but it can Alpha strike 3LPL and 3MLAS without breaking a sweat. The Crow died, but my mech was gutted.

I ended up reporting myself for the TK, lol.

[/old man style story time rant]

This game will never be free of neck beard idiots. I try my best to remain clear of them, but it doesn't always work.I get the feeling sometimes (and there are a few particular pilot names in mind) that some try to bait you into shooting back so you can be reported. This I will not do. If you want to TK me, go for it..............I'll be the one screen shotting it and reporting you before I launch my next match.

[Novakaine]

1. Stop noob firing.
A. You're giving away yours and everyone else position.
B. In today's alphastrike environment every point of armor counts.
C. Set weapon groups in mech lab or the training grounds.
D. Don't be a n00b.

[Joseph Mallan]

Novakaine, on 24 July 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

1. Stop noob firing.
A. You're giving away yours and everyone else position.
B. In today's alphastrike environment every point of armor counts.
C. Set weapon groups in mech lab or the training grounds.
D. Don't be a n00b.

What do you mean in TODAY'S Alpha Strike environ? I have been Alpha Striking since CB. Technically at my table I been doing it since teh 80s!

[MilesTeg1982]

please close this thread allready - its obviously a troll-thread

[MatterBeam]

I understand now.

Thank you for revealing that those two players and the majority of the posters here are the MWO equivalent of an inbred redneck hillbillies taking out the shotgun and mortally wounding someone because they pushed them out of the way. I mean, it's totally acceptable and justified in real life, right?

If you really want to know the tiniest details, I shot straight down into the ground the second I got control of the mech so that I could internalize the position of my one-sided ERPPC for later shooting. The a**hat Player 1 spawned next to me and immediately walked right, so out of my line of fire. He never got hit. As we approached a chokepoint, he crashed into my mech, turned my leg yellow, leg and we both stopped.

Technically, he dealt the first damage.

Since I'm not a mentally constipated player marinating in my basement juices, I don't fire at him for doing damage to me.

He then circled around, positioned himself in front of me and blocked my path. I fired in the air above him. I grazed him. That's when his justice porn fantasy took shape and he masturbated over my mech.

Player 2 came walking by as I was typing in chat, shot a few rounds into me and moved on.

Sloppy seconds or an ally, I don't care.

It seems this behaviour is justified and expected in MWO.

[Novakaine]

Oh.... And Get ready for Steamland.
It's gonna be too damn funny.