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[martian]

Shown here is Captain Natasha Kerensky's black Warhammer, which is as infamous as its pilot.

[Hollow Earth]

martian, on 01 August 2015 - 10:06 PM, said:

Shown here is Captain Natasha Kerensky's black Warhammer, which is as infamous as its pilot.

They both look fantastic! i would buy me some of those to put on my desk. now i want to see how the Archer and the Crusader will turn out.

[Steinar Bergstol]

I absolutely love those 'hammers. I'm one of those "nothing could replace the originals in my heart" guys, but honestly, this actually could do it! Incredible concept work by Shimmering Sword (I believe the cover they showed was by him) and amazing translation into miniature form by the sculptor,

I just hope they use some quality plastic when they produce the miniatures for sale rather than that cheap stuff which has often been used for plastic mechs in the past (like in the 25th anniversary set where there were two clanmechs made with quality material and then all the IS mechs made with the cheap stuff).

Edited by Steinar Bergstol, 01 August 2015 - 11:43 PM.

[NocturnalBeast]

martian, on 01 August 2015 - 09:56 PM, said:

Of course it does.
New Robotech miniatures game licensed by HG is coming, exactly with those "BattleTech Unseens", so to speak. That's one more reason for HG to defend their designs and not let their competitors from CGL use them on the same boardgames market.

People who are Macross / Robotech fans, because of the story (Rick, Minmei, protoculture...etc....) will still buy the associated products. Honestly, I was a Robotech fan before Battletech even existed and I would buy stuff for both games, if I had the money, the time and the people to play the games with.

[NocturnalBeast]

New interview with Jordan Weisman: http://www.mmorpg.co...2&game=0&ismb=1

Interesting part is where he says that the art issues were settled "over a decade ago" and that there will be no impact on the content of the game. This can be interpreted as unseen mechs will be in the game, or they have moved on and willl no longer use the unseen Macross / Robotech mechs. This means that PGI might be able to make more reseen mechs.

[Viges]

Now how about a nice BT movie too?

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

martian, on 01 August 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

I meant this:

http://alex.kaempen....ld_v._fasa.html

The following non-public agreement between Harmony Gold and FASA is secret, but one result is clear: Since then, FASA (or WizKids or CGL) has not used Harmony Gold designs. And when they tried (such as in the case of that big color art showing the Unseen Warhammer), they had to backpedal and replace the HG's Unseen Warhammer with the homegrown Hammerhands, as not to piss off HG again.

I know about the court ruling from Japan, but sadly it has no importance outside Japan.

Oh look an agreement, which Catalyst Game Labs has no part in... or Wiz Kids... that was an agreement between FASA and HG, reached out of court. They have no legal leg to stand on with the current battletech ip holders.

Ontop of that, the japanese case DOES have some importance... as it sets an international legal precedent. They have already been found wrong once in another court, and the case that happened here was met with an agreement out of court, meaning there was no official verdict, which means that were it to go to court and get actually hashed out... There's already international precedent against HG.

[martian]

Flash Frame, on 02 August 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

Oh look an agreement, which Catalyst Game Labs has no part in... or Wiz Kids... that was an agreement between FASA and HG, reached out of court. They have no legal leg to stand on with the current battletech ip holders.

Seriously?

Do you "really" think that CGL can ignore agreement between HG and FASA?

Flash Frame, on 02 August 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

Ontop of that, the japanese case DOES have some importance... as it sets an international legal precedent. They have already been found wrong once in another court, and the case that happened here was met with an agreement out of court, meaning there was no official verdict, which means that were it to go to court and get actually hashed out... There's already international precedent against HG.

This is the offical CGL's stance towards the ownership of the Unseens:
"Sadly, some of the information we acted upon turned out to be inaccurate. Twelve of the ‘Unseen’ images previously used within the BattleTech universe were involved in a court case in the 1990s: Archer, Longbow, Rifleman, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Marauder, Stinger LAM, Wasp LAM and Phoenix Hawk LAM. This we knew. But at the end of that court case, as part of a confidential settlement, it was agreed that the sole and exclusive world-wide right to these images (outside of Japan) would rest with another US company."

This is the essence of that settlement between HG and FASA.

So much for CGL's willingness to go to court ...

[Steinar Bergstol]

martian, on 02 August 2015 - 01:40 AM, said:

Seriously?

Do you "really" think that CGL can ignore agreement between HG and FASA?


This is the offical CGL's stance towards the ownership of the Unseens:
"Sadly, some of the information we acted upon turned out to be inaccurate. Twelve of the ‘Unseen’ images previously used within the BattleTech universe were involved in a court case in the 1990s: Archer, Longbow, Rifleman, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Marauder, Stinger LAM, Wasp LAM and Phoenix Hawk LAM. This we knew. But at the end of that court case, as part of a confidential settlement, it was agreed that the sole and exclusive world-wide right to these images (outside of Japan) would rest with another US company."

This is the essence of that settlement between HG and FASA.

So much for CGL's willingness to go to court ...

Well, that's the old stance of CGL from 2009 I believe. What they are doing now is not bringing in the old unseen unchanged. As it says in the announcement here (http://bg.battletech...dthree-two-one/) they've spent the last half year reimagining the unseen and what we've been seeing is the result. I'm sure CGL has no interest in going to legal war with HG over the original images, but obviously their lawyers feel that these redesigned versions, while staying as far as we can see true to the spirit of the originals, have been altered enough for HG to not have a leg to stand on should they start rattling their legal sabres.

We'll see how it all turns out, but CGL have been through this before, so I have to believe they would cross their t's and dot their i's before spending money on art and the production of miniatures.

[LordKnightFandragon]

CycKath, on 24 July 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Tabletop game is bitten the bullet and is properly redoing the Unseen in time for lots of historical titles:
http://bg.battletech...dthree-two-one/












Click the link and see an even more amazing preview image...

Ok, thats all well and good, but if THAT gets by HG, then HOW the HELL did the one in the MW5 reboot video NOT!? It looks almost exactly like it........

HG just needs to get the cob out thier asses.

[Juodas Varnas]

LordKnightFandragon, on 02 August 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Ok, thats all well and good, but if THAT gets by HG, then HOW the HELL did the one in the MW5 reboot video NOT!? It looks almost exactly like it........

HG just needs to get the cob out thier asses.

Actually, i think the MW5 trailer one is even LESS like the Unseen one than this one.

[stjobe]

LordKnightFandragon, on 02 August 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Ok, thats all well and good, but if THAT gets by HG, then HOW the HELL did the one in the MW5 reboot video NOT!? It looks almost exactly like it........

I think you need to have a look-see at that video again; that WHM is much more like the original than this new one:

LordKnightFandragon, on 02 August 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

HG just needs to get the cob out thier asses.

No argument there.

[Alan Davion]

LordKnightFandragon, on 02 August 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Ok, thats all well and good, but if THAT gets by HG, then HOW the HELL did the one in the MW5 reboot video NOT!? It looks almost exactly like it........

HG just needs to get the cob out thier asses.

The MW5 Warhammer was done by PGI and HBS, not CGL. MS/PGI/HBS have the licenses for video games, and CGL has the licenses for the TT game. And it was much, much closer looking to the original than the new CGL one.

[LordKnightFandragon]

https://www.google.c...mvuDSxQW-9bM%3A

Thats the original right? the one HG is all QQ about? looks much more like that new one in the OP then the onein the MW5 vid.


And once again, watching tht vid makes me wish so much more that ST and Weismann had made MWO.......that game just plain looks more epic. And it woulda been, being a PVE coop campaign deal over just PVP TDM stomps...

[Alan Davion]

LordKnightFandragon, on 02 August 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

https://www.google.c...mvuDSxQW-9bM%3A

Thats the original right? the one HG is all QQ about? looks much more like that new one in the OP then the onein the MW5 vid.

And once again, watching tht vid makes me wish so much more that ST and Weismann had made MWO.......that game just plain looks more epic. And it woulda been, being a PVE coop campaign deal over just PVP TDM stomps...

Original


Phoenix Reseen


Mechwarrior 5


Shimmering Sword's




If anything, the Mechwarrior 5 version of the Warhammer is closer to the original Battletech/Macross design. which is probably
why HG got their knickers in a twist. when MW5 was being advertised.

All these images I pulled from a 2-minute google search.

With Shimmering Sword's art as the basis for the new Classics, he's managed to keep the spirit of the original Unseen mechs,
while giving them a more 'natural' look to keep them more in the theme of the Battletech universe.

Seriously, if HG tries to go after this stuff, then they are doing nothing but grasping at the last straw in the bunch, showing how
desperate they are to troll the Battletech, Mechwarrior, Macross and Robotech IPs for their own selfish ends.

Those last two pictures, you can actually see some changes between SS's first iteration of the new Warhammer, to the final version used for the Mercs book cover and the new CGL miniature. The biggest change being the cockpit I think.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alan Davion, on 02 August 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Original


Phoenix Reseen


Mechwarrior 5


Shimmering Sword's




If anything, the Mechwarrior 5 version of the Warhammer is closer to the original Battletech/Macross design. which is probably
why HG got their knickers in a twist. when MW5 was being advertised.

All these images I pulled from a 2-minute google search.

With Shimmering Sword's art as the basis for the new Classics, he's managed to keep the spirit of the original Unseen mechs,
while giving them a more 'natural' look to keep them more in the theme of the Battletech universe.

Seriously, if HG tries to go after this stuff, then they are doing nothing but grasping at the last straw in the bunch, showing how
desperate they are to troll the Battletech, Mechwarrior, Macross and Robotech IPs for their own selfish ends.

Those last two pictures, you can actually see some changes between SS's first iteration of the new Warhammer, to the final version used for the Mercs book cover and the new CGL miniature. The biggest change being the cockpit I think.

cockpit and the belly plate, can't decide which version I prefer, TBH. Do prefer the new head, just the belly I can't decide.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 02 August 2015 - 09:58 AM.

[NocturnalBeast]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 August 2015 - 09:50 AM, said:

cockpit and the belly plate, can't decide which version I prefer, TBH. Do prefer the new head, just the belly I can't decide.

The Shimmering Sword version is the only version other than the original that I would spend money on.

[Hollow Earth]

I think the Newhammer's SRM6 pod laying horizontally and no longer protruding outwards to it's right is what i think is a good a design improvement.

And the spotlight to it's left looks better protected and looks more like a targeting package in the SS redesign then the Oldhammer's microwave oven.

Also i dont really like the MW5's Warhammer, it seems to combine the worst design aspects of the Oldhammer and Phoenixhammer (chiefly the forked hinged elbows on the PPC arms and the oversized SRM6 pod. also hard to see but i think the cockpit is protruding outwards pretty far from the torso)

[Johnny Z]

Viges, on 02 August 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Now how about a nice BT movie too?

An intro for Mechwarrior Online like SWTOR would be awsome.

Also if anyone watches the SWTOR movies, ignore them. the young female jedi appentice in the intro is actually 60 years old with a gay 35 year old son in game.... no offense to anyone, just saying.... swtor went off the rails in game to what it was supposed to be I think. Not entirely but had to be said. Theres alot more to be said to, but I will leave it at that.

Oh and if anyone wants to know about founders going berzerk? SWTOR is the game to look at lol. I wasnt one of them. But yeesh.


EDIT: oops I had KOTOR instead of SWTOR for a while there.

Edited by Johnny Z, 02 August 2015 - 09:35 PM.

[NocturnalBeast]

Johnny Z, on 02 August 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

An intro for Mechwarrior Online like KOTOR would be awsome.

Also if anyone watches the KOTOR movies, ignore them. the young female jedi appentice in the intro is actually a 60 years old with a gay 35 year old son in game.... no offense to anyone, just saying.... Kotor went off the rails in game to what it was supposed to be I think. Not entirely but had to be said. Theres alot more to be said to, but I will leave it at that.

Oh and if anyone wants to know about founders going berzerk? KOTOR is the game to look at lol. I wasnt one of them. But yeesh.

Who cares s what an actor is in real life, if they are good actor they will become their characters? Also, I was an SWTOR beta founder and it was the SWTOR whiners who killed big-budget MMOs and created this FTP reality that we now live in.