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[Dimento Graven]

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 10:55 PM, said:

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I have to use terms like Texans... Floridians... and Washingtinians.

Most native Texans will identify themselves as "Texan" before they identify themselves as "American".

We're funny like that...

Edited by Dimento Graven, 25 July 2015 - 11:26 PM.

[Nightshade24]

Dimento Graven, on 25 July 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

Most native Texans will identify themselves as "Texan" before they identify themselves as "American".

We're funny like that...

Do they even need to identify themself? I mean... there accent is rather... obvious. (sorry if that was offensive)

[Dimento Graven]

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 11:48 PM, said:

Do they even need to identify themself? I mean... there accent is rather... obvious. (sorry if that was offensive)

Heck no that ain't offensive.

A lot of the southern states have similar accents, and to the untrained ear it's easy to confuse 'em.
But, there's a saying:

"You never have to ask someone if they're from Texas, soon enough they'll tell you. And if that person isn't from Texas, why would want you embarrass them like that?"

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

I Zeratul I, on 25 July 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

I wonder if this will become a troll flag.

Bruh, i would take that flag over any other in a heartbeat.

Edited by Nosferatu 666, 26 July 2015 - 01:06 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Dimento Graven, on 25 July 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

Heck no that ain't offensive.

A lot of the southern states have similar accents, and to the untrained ear it's easy to confuse 'em.
But, there's a saying:

"You never have to ask someone if they're from Texas, soon enough they'll tell you. And if that person isn't from Texas, why would want you embarrass them like that?"

You are now my 2nd favourite Texan.

[RedDevil]

Soo... people in the USA are not proud to be from that country? Why don't they like the USA flag again? I'm getting confused here.

[TheCharlatan]

Ronyn, on 25 July 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

The strangest thing is, even going from Washington to Oregon, then to California (The west coast states) the people you meet are much different. We speak the same language and have the same government, but things get less similar the more you talk to them. Acclimating from one state to the next after a move can take years. I'm visited all but two of the states and lived in 5 of them, and I can say that each one is really different.

You would like Italy then. Here people are different in a city to city basis, even if they are less than 100 km apart.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 10:47 PM, said:

Question to you americans... Is it important or even necesary to have flags for U.S. States?
Isn't the U.S.A.'s you know... country flag enough?

I mean... there are plenty of countries who do not even have there flag... I doubt having state/ province flags of all those countries would be higher up on the list then there own country flag... on top of that.

Yeah, definitely should see all other countries represented first over getting in US State Flags into MWO.

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 10:55 PM, said:

so... USA is actually 50 different countries? welp, there goes me simply saying "Americans" and that automatically means USA...

I have to use terms like Texans... Floridians... and Washingtinians.

In a nutshell, what Federal Law doesn't cover, State Law covers; and if there is overlap, Federal tends to be dominant and disputes go to court to settle matters.

The US mostly deals as a whole in Foreign Affairs and rarely is say a Governor out there negotiating with other countries on behalf of their state, separate from the rest; so I'd simply consider the US as one country with semi-autonomous States that are more or less parallel to Provinces in other countries. It's actually a simplified comparison, but I hope it makes sense.

And yeah, some Americans prefer regional self-identification over simply being known as American, I'm aware that this sorta thing happens anywhere in the world, depending on the context of conversations.

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 11:11 PM, said:

I am fmailiar with changes and such in the same country.

I live in New Zealand... which is rather small- not even as big as some of the US states... but there is huge differences the more east or west you go, at the mountains or at either cost. Also talking to people online gives that affect as well...but still... it isn't like 1 part of USA is nothing like the rest at all. right?

To get a sense of scale, check this out:



There's a lot of natural beauty out in the western States with so many National Parks around. And the rest of the country has it's charms too, where one thing that we do really good is food.

Edited by Praetor Knight, 26 July 2015 - 12:09 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

RedDevil, on 26 July 2015 - 12:02 AM, said:

Soo... people in the USA are not proud to be from that country? Why don't they like the USA flag again? I'm getting confused here.

Well I can't speak too much for the other states, BUT, us Texans are rather proud of being Texan.

We're proud of being Texans, and we're proud that a lot of the other states hate us for being Texan.

Texas has a long standing rivalry from the states that USED to be part of The Republic of Texas which includes parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

Other states are just plain jealous like California, Florida, and a few others.

[Nightshade24]

Praetor Knight, on 26 July 2015 - 12:08 AM, said:

Yeah, definitely should see all other countries represented first over getting in US State Flags into MWO.



In a nutshell, what Federal Law doesn't cover, State Law covers; and if there is overlap, Federal tends to be dominant and disputes go to court to settle matters.

The US mostly deals as a whole in Foreign Affairs and rarely is say a Governor out there negotiating with other countries on behalf of their state, separate from the rest; so I'd simply consider the US as one country with semi-autonomous States that are more or less parallel to Provinces in other countries. It's actually a simplified comparison, but I hope it makes sense.

And yeah, some Americans prefer regional self-identification over simply being known as American, I'm aware that this sorta thing happens anywhere in the world, depending on the context of conversations.




To get a sense of scale, check this out:



There's a lot of natural beauty out in the western States with so many National Parks around. And the rest of the country has it's charms too, where one thing that we do really good is food.

I did say some in terms of land area and population... texas still beats NZ in area, while lots of states beat NZ in population...

I mean seriously. I've seen some arial pictures of some US cities... they go form 1 horizon to the other... in NZ sometimes on a long road I can see 1 end of the city from the other in a bus...

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Nightshade24, on 26 July 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

I did say some in terms of land area and population... texas still beats NZ in area, while lots of states beat NZ in population...

I mean seriously. I've seen some arial pictures of some US cities... they go form 1 horizon to the other... in NZ sometimes on a long road I can see 1 end of the city from the other in a bus...

That's Urban Sprawl for you.

Phoenix, Arizona is one of the newer ones with a huge metro area now, and there's the build up on the East Coast / Midwest and then California too.


It's sometimes neat checking out these sorts of images, my one complaint is barely being able to see any stars at night:

[Alienized]

you cant even call americans americans because that would been native americans.......
we should call americans exiled ones *jk*





cant we have that as flag....

or...


something like that... ^.^

[Escef]

Mister Blastman, on 25 July 2015 - 10:50 PM, said:

No, because under the Constitution, States are supposed to have greater power than the Federal Government.

That is ludicrously incorrect. Section 10 of Article I specifically prohibits states from specific acts without Federal authority, the 10th Amendment clearly says that states can do what they want provided they do not step on the federal government's toes. And several Amendments to the Constitution clearly show that the Federal government , in fact, DOES have the authority to tell states what they can and cannot do.

[Dimento Graven]

Escef, on 26 July 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

That is ludicrously incorrect. Section 10 of Article I specifically prohibits states from specific acts without Federal authority, the 10th Amendment clearly says that states can do what they want provided they do not step on the federal government's toes. And several Amendments to the Constitution clearly show that the Federal government , in fact, DOES have the authority to tell states what they can and cannot do.

Not being a constitutional scholar, I was always under the impression anything not expressly specified in the constitution as 'Federal' was left up to the purview of the states.

It's been that the Federal Government keeps expanding the definition of what a lot of the Constitution says to expand their rights into what historically have been up to individual states.

[Escef]

Nightshade24, on 25 July 2015 - 10:55 PM, said:

so... USA is actually 50 different countries? welp, there goes me simply saying "Americans" and that automatically means USA...

Yes and no. At first, the USA was more akin to the current EU. At one point in time it was grammatically correct to say "...the United States are...", because the US was not viewed as a singular entity, and so a plural verb had to be used. These days, that "are" is an "is". Some people (usually people from former Confederate states) are still angry about a lost war 150 years ago.

[Escef]

Dimento Graven, on 26 July 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

Not being a constitutional scholar, I was always under the impression anything not expressly specified in the constitution as 'Federal' was left up to the purview of the states.

It's been that the Federal Government keeps expanding the definition of what a lot of the Constitution says to expand their rights into what historically have been up to individual states.

The Constitution says that whatever the federal government does not claim as its purview is up to the states, yes. That clearly indicates the federal government as the authoritative power in the relationship.

Also, the federal government is incapable of expanding its purview without majority permission from the states. That is specifically why the legislative branch of the government has the membership that it does. Two senators from each state and a number of representatives from each state based upon population.

It amazes me that people seem to have this impression that the federal government is some kind of entity that is utterly independent of, yet dominant over, the states.

[Dimento Graven]

Escef, on 26 July 2015 - 12:31 AM, said:

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Some people (usually people from former Confederate states) are still angry about a lost war 150 years ago.

Yes, fortunately most of us consider them jackasses.

Escef, on 26 July 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

The Constitution says that whatever the federal government does not claim as its purview is up to the states, yes. That clearly indicates the federal government as the authoritative power in the relationship.

Also, the federal government is incapable of expanding its purview without majority permission from the states. That is specifically why the legislative branch of the government has the membership that it does. Two senators from each state and a number of representatives from each state based upon population.

It amazes me that people seem to have this impression that the federal government is some kind of entity that is utterly independent of, yet dominant over, the states.

Except that the Federal government could pass a law repealing the 'Law of Gravity' and any state that did NOT put additional tie downs on its buildings could be fined...

And don't say they wouldn't, there's plenty of stupid laws that have made it on to the Federal statute...

[Escef]

Dimento Graven, on 26 July 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Except that the Federal government could pass a law repealing the 'Law of Gravity' and any state that did NOT put additional tie downs on its buildings could be fined...

And don't say they wouldn't, there's plenty of stupid laws that have made it on to the Federal statute...

Unfortunately, the federal government cannot repeal laws that have not been made. You find the "Law of Gravity" codified somewhere in the US's legal system and you will surprise the ever living f*** out of me.

And, yes, there are stupid laws. Most of which exist for political reasons. Could the federal government pass laws supposedly repealing gravity? Sure. (And given that there are creationists on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology...) But that doesn't mean the people that write the regulatory codes are going to change anything (the people that write the actual regulations are members of the Executive branch of government), which sometimes causes conflict within the government.

The federal government is no more monolithic/homogeneous than any other large, complicated group.

Edited by Escef, 26 July 2015 - 12:49 AM.

[MikeBend]

DaZur, on 25 July 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

According to Sargent Hartman only two things come out of Texas...

Yeah, now show us your war face!

Well, dont know about Texas, but the Confederate Flag would be cool.

[Damien Tokala]

I say give them the Texas and confederate flag.it gives me a reason to carry a flamer now, so I can burn them.