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[Gremlich Johns]

and why not this?

[bad arcade kitty]

Gremlich Johns, on 02 August 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

and why not this?

some indecent place to put a rocket launcher

p.s. why not... this

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 02 August 2015 - 02:21 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Eldagore, on 02 August 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

lol, did you actually copy paste your own comment from another of your own threads to start a new one?

LOL. Well, I responded in the other one if you want my take.

Yes, I could have rewrote it, and changed 3 or 4 words to make it new and shiny, but since the original point belonged elsewhere, and was made, why would I rewrite it?

Gremlich Johns, on 02 August 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

and why not this?

cuz it was never an Unseen?

[lshtaria]

I don't care what the pack levels are. If PGI has the balls to go with CGL's unseens then I'm buying the whole ******* lot.

[SilentSooYun]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 August 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

cuz it was never an Unseen?

But it's something that still ought to be Seen
I remember designing a Monster (which I called the MAR-3D Mars) with the old boxed set rules. 100 tons, 2/3/0, 4xAC/5s, 6xMLs, if memory serves. Not terribly effective with old tech, but it was the look I was going for, cause it's soooo pretty

Edited by SilentSooYun, 02 August 2015 - 02:32 PM.

[Iqfish]

I will do what I always do.

Look at the nice concept art, debate wether I should by them, decide to buy them, log-in to my paypal, declare myself as completely insane to dump more money into mechs I probably will never even find the time to elite and close the page.

[Kodyn]

Gremlich Johns, on 02 August 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

bad arcade kitty, on 02 August 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

I have no idea what either of those are(Omega, maybe?), but I want both of them....just because.

While I'd never spend on a Gold mech, I personally would love to see them do it for the Unseens if they ever introduced them. For one thing, they'd definitely have takers, if not more than the original wave, and I want to see PGI make money and keep trucking. As long as they could put the blame on the community, and we clearly state we want them, I'd hope they wouldn't receive too much flak.

Personally, I tend to refuse to spend money on mechs themselves or packages, because of the extreme nature of balancing in the game, but the MAD seems like such a cool mech that if I had the cash, I might even grab one, or the equivalent pack, just to have a nice CBill version along with enough variants to master it.

[Bishop Steiner]

SilentSooYun, on 02 August 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

But it's something that still ought to be Seen
I remember designing a Monster (which I called the MAR-3D Mars) with the old boxed set rules. 100 tons, 2/3/0, 4xAC/5s, 6xMLs, if memory serves. Not terribly effective with old tech, but it was the look I was going for, cause it's soooo pretty

that was my 3025 tech take on it, using the same donal ppcs as the Warhammer. I later modified it into an Annihilator knockoff in the Unseen era.

[CycKath]

The only thing that would bother me about how PGI could do Classic 'Mech Packs would be a Vulture style "must have top tier" to get a loyalty version of one of the left-over 'Mechs, and that's more a moral thing as I have all IS packs at highest tier.

[Eboli]

To be honest I do not think that I would purchase any future mech packs.

The Unseen mechs content would be great but I am growing tired of their sales technique and would be willing to have the long wait as I have spent much $ on this game.

I still enjoy the game play, don't get me wrong but I really think that pack content is becoming more miss than hit for my needs.

Other players (maybe new to the game) may think differently and that is ok.

Cheers!
Eboli.

[Hades Trooper]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 August 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

We saw the pattern in the Wave 1 Clan Invasion pack. 2 tiered initial offering. First tier will be of the overall perceived inferior or less popular offerings, second tier of the more wanted, with the most desired put the farthest out of reach, initially.

Adding the reinforcements, is admittedly closer to the Phoenix Setup, but the weight distribution of the Macross Unseen leave a few logistical issues.

Maybe someone with more time, less of a headache than me can sort it better, but for now, my "Prognostication Sure To Go Wrong" is:

Packs the Way PGI will probably do them: (based off of initial clan intro wavee)
Unseen 1 $80 USD
-Stinger
-Raijin (due to lack of other Macross unseen Mediums)
-Archer
-Longbow
Unseen Lvl 2 (includes level 1 units) $160 USD
-Valkyrie
-Phoenix Hawk
-Warhammer
-Marauder II

Unseen Reinforcements: $40 USD
-Rifleman
-Crusader

For those who bout maxi pack as Early Adopters:
-Marauder.

You know it, I know it. So probably be a year before one can even get the Marauder unless one gets the maxi packs.

LOL.

(mind you, I would prefer them to simply drop in 4 mech waves, so one can pick and choose more their poison, just thinking about the way PGI will likely try to maximize the monetization of it. I might white knight a lot of their decisions, but I have never been in love with the packages entirely, even though some of the early adopters are good deals to serious players, with all the extras, I simply really prefered the mech of the month, simply get the ones you actually liked, and not get roped into ones you don't like with the packs.)

Thoughts? Predictions?

OMG

This could actually be the 1st time in my entire MWO life i have completely agreed with you. What is the world coming to when the grand white knight can smell the cash grab before it's even announced?

[SkyHammyr]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 August 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

...You know it, I know it. So probably be a year before one can even get the Marauder unless one gets the maxi packs.

(mind you, I would prefer them to simply drop in 4 mech waves, so one can pick and choose more their poison, just thinking about the way PGI will likely try to maximize the monetization of it...)

And, I'd give it to them.
Every last FRACKING Cent.

It's how bad I want these blasted Mechs,

Edited by SkyHammr, 02 August 2015 - 07:57 PM.

[Remarius]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 August 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

We saw the pattern in the Wave 1 Clan Invasion pack. 2 tiered initial offering. First tier will be of the overall perceived inferior or less popular offerings, second tier of the more wanted, with the most desired put the farthest out of reach, initially.

Adding the reinforcements, is admittedly closer to the Phoenix Setup, but the weight distribution of the Macross Unseen leave a few logistical issues.

Maybe someone with more time, less of a headache than me can sort it better, but for now, my "Prognostication Sure To Go Wrong" is:

Packs the Way PGI will probably do them: (based off of initial clan intro wavee)
Unseen 1 $80 USD
-Stinger
-Raijin (due to lack of other Macross unseen Mediums)
-Archer
-Longbow
Unseen Lvl 2 (includes level 1 units) $160 USD
-Valkyrie
-Phoenix Hawk
-Warhammer
-Marauder II

Unseen Reinforcements: $40 USD
-Rifleman
-Crusader

For those who bout maxi pack as Early Adopters:
-Marauder.

You know it, I know it. So probably be a year before one can even get the Marauder unless one gets the maxi packs.

LOL.

(mind you, I would prefer them to simply drop in 4 mech waves, so one can pick and choose more their poison, just thinking about the way PGI will likely try to maximize the monetization of it. I might white knight a lot of their decisions, but I have never been in love with the packages entirely, even though some of the early adopters are good deals to serious players, with all the extras, I simply really prefered the mech of the month, simply get the ones you actually liked, and not get roped into ones you don't like with the packs.)

Thoughts? Predictions?

Possibly I'm reading too much into your copied post but it appears to just be a thinly veiled attempt to get the Marauder faster if you don't pay real life money?

If they're paying your $220, for the privilege of cutting out the grind and wait, I really don't have a problem with them getting the Marauder a year earlier than someone who didn't.

Edited by Remarius, 03 August 2015 - 07:14 AM.

[LordBraxton]

00ohDstruct, on 02 August 2015 - 12:28 PM, said:

Bishop,

A lot can change in a year +. Maybe they'll rethink things after the Steam Launch and get that huge influx of a player base throwing money at them like people here do. Until then, there are more important things to worry about and address. Like if the Marauder will have the iconic Chicken Walk or not. What do you think?

You mean a huge influx of overwhelmingly negative steam reviews that will destroy any future chance for game growth?

[MischiefSC]

Would buy gold the day of announcement.

IF it's the same artwork/design as Catalyst is using.

Edited by MischiefSC, 03 August 2015 - 11:46 AM.

[Malleus011]

The canniest marketing decision for them would likely be to offer three 'mech packs, spreading the Ost-series around to minimize their unpopularity, assuming they do them at all (the Ostroc and Ostol don't exactly offer much, and the Ostscout is a weak Spider ...)

Whatever they do, I'd like to request a 'deluxe' version of the Unseen packs, called 'Every Mech a Hero' where I can get the C-Bill bonus (and possibly cool paint) on *every* variant in the pack. Or at least on selected variants. Be a cool cash upgrade for PGI, and I'd pay extra to have nothing but Hero Warhammers.

[Elizander]

Gremlich Johns, on 02 August 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

and why not this?

Aren't those these guys?

[1453 R]

The drawback* to Piranha dumping all the blame for the Gold Khan fiasco on IGP - correctly or otherwise - is that they've essentially shut off the idea of any further gold 'Mech package in the future. if they do it themselves, then their excuses over the Gold Khan junk look awfully threadbare.

This is hardly a drawback, really. They make more than enough cash on these packs as it is. As for packaging woes...

While 'Mech of the Month was cool and good fun, it'd end up with the 'Lemonade' problem Bishop mentioned in different form - release an OST 'Mech of the Month and that month basically has no 'Mech release. I mean hell, Alex has worked miracles before - the Banshee and the Kintaro both come to mind - but even with crazy awesome concept reworks from both Catalyst and Alex, as I recall those 'Mechs were generally pretty poop.

I'd still prefer that to more pack releases, or at least concurrent with pack releases, because while packaging OST 'Mechs in with non-OST 'Mechs is the only way to guarantee solid sales of the things, forcing customers to buy crap they don't want to get stuff they do only works so long, and I'd say 'so long' is already mostly up for a lot of folks. I wanted Jenners and Highlanders from Origins, but only bought Jenners because I'm pretty much done buying packfuls of duds to get the one or two units I care about in said packs. And I'm about as whale as the game can expect a customer to get.

Their entire, completely unsustainable marketing/monetization scheme has been riding on the "Only BT/MW game in town" line since inception. Now that HBS is working on a TT-inspired top-down simulator with Weissman at the helm, Piranha's going to hopefully have enough competition that they'll look at their pricing model, realize it's absolutely insane, and decide to make some adjustments. Sure, they'll probably packetize the hell out of the Unseens first, if CGL can actually push this initiative of theirs past Litigation Gold...but it can't keep going once other BattleTech games start hitting.

[Bishop Steiner]

Remarius, on 03 August 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

Possibly I'm reading too much into your copied post but it appears to just be a thinly veiled attempt to get the Marauder faster if you don't pay real life money?

If they're paying your $220, for the privilege of cutting out the grind and wait, I really don't have a problem with them getting the Marauder a year earlier than someone who didn't.

yup, you are reading too much into this

Elizander, on 03 August 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

Aren't those these guys?

pretty huge stretch

[MischiefSC]

Gold Khan offer was, well, Clan mechs. Which are the devil and deserve to be hated for ruining the entire BT franchise and possibly to blame for pretty much every bad thing in human civilization since then. Hating the Golden Khan packages is right and righteous. Cuz, well, Clans are terrible and OP and a gold OP addition to any game should be burned in nuclear fire and those responsible or who participate shunned by society and disowned by their families.

Unseen are another issue. They were a glorious time in BT game history; they deserve to be put on a pedestal and gold plated. They deserve to be celebrated; nobody is going to call the Marauder OP. Low slung arms and a long torso? The Warhammer *could* be a solid mech but nothing Timber Wolf tier without incredible perks. What they are is a hallmark of the golden early age of Battletech.

It's like comparing apples and nuclear waste. One is an abomination that should be nuked from orbit (just to be sure) the other is healthy and delicious.

Yes, I'm poking at the Clan packages in jest. Because if I don't say this someone is going to go wacky, cuz internet forums.