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[Ted Wayz]

Others have stated before that Steam not going well will probably not kill this game, just slow development.

[Knight Magus]

Hard to say if steam will help - the word has been out for some time and the game hasn't made any real strives yet. PGI should probably try to win back the players they have lost.

[Mycrus]

I cant wait for all the new steam pugs to farm...

[Serpieri]

Ted Wayz, on 07 August 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Others have stated before that Steam not going well will probably not kill this game, just slow development.

Can it get any slower......

[lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol]

I just wonder how this current community and dev team will react when:

The forums are literally flooded with hundreds of NPE issues, demands for bans for hax and teamkilling, frustration about issues we currently discuss that haven't been addressed for months or even years, lore purists complaining about ECM, Ghost Heat, non-DHS's, quirks, this weapon killed me so it's OP, I can't kill with this weapon so it needs buffed.

The flood of inital few waves during the first months choking the servers and the bandwidth.

The massive amount of new players and the trolls blowing up half their own team either trying to shoot through friendlies, retaliation fire, or general "sorry setting my weapons group" trolling. Followed by inappropriate colorful in-game text and voice chat about mothers, race, intellectual ability and/or sexuality. Along with the flood to the devs with messages needing to be handled regarding investigation and settlement of above said issues about "he said, she said" fights.

Hopefully PGI has had the foresight to think about all of these issues and have developed solutions... but if not...

[Mystere]

Kira_Onime, on 07 August 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

CW has to get better and lose it's "skirmish match with 4 mechs" title.

I blame all the nitwits who endlessly whined about generator rushes for making that so.

[Percy Veer]

Nightingale27, on 07 August 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

You are making arguments that are barely strong enough to be noticed and categorized as an argument. While pretty much being completely ignorant of the situation despite what everyone else is saying.

Less than half-way decent arguments are not going to convince the game developers to throw away the only chance the game has to flourish while putting their only source of income under the guillotine.

You don't understand. We are not going to come back to the square one/status quo in terms of new players coming in if this game fails in Steam. No, if MWO gets released on Steam then all those potential new players are going to read the reviews made by Steam players, who had a high chance of playing MWO wrong then blaming it on the game and/or not giving it the dedication it needs due to grind and learning curve to get to where they are having fun with it (aka horrible newb experience).
So MWO entering Steam at the moment is a death wish, and this thread is stupid.

I agree with what you say, you are not stupid, no way, but you construct reason and logic very well.

However, you let yourself down, and yet said everything with...
"This thread is stupid"

Yes and no.

You see, you speak magnificent, yet your argument wihtout counter-force, is, as might as well, be words to the wind.

Most people yipe, yours was woth reading.

[Wrathful Scythe]

The only problem PGI faces is the lost revenue because Valve wants to see some money if PGI decides to use Steam as a platform. The old players will stay and nothing will change. Maybe PGI will be even slower because of the lost income but hey, that would be still faster than in the IGP state, so nothing to fear here.

[Rebas Kradd]

Let's live in the real world here. Steam will neither save nor destroy this game. MWO is already a far superior game to most of what's on Steam, which is more of an indictment on Steam than a praise of MWO. But still. People will mostly like walk in, play around a bit, go "meh, it's not finished yet" and leave just like the rest of our player base has.

The new player experience will help avoid that, but only new gamemodes and fresh and interesting ways of playing are really going to keep them sticking.

[Deathlike]

Rebas Kradd, on 11 August 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Let's live in the real world here. Steam will neither save nor destroy this game. MWO is already a far superior game to most of what's on Steam, which is more of an indictment on Steam than a praise of MWO. But still. People will mostly like walk in, play around a bit, go "meh, it's not finished yet" and leave just like the rest of our player base has.

The new player experience will help avoid that, but only new gamemodes and fresh and interesting ways of playing are really going to keep them sticking.

I'm not sure what you think of Steam, but despite having not used Steam for like a decade and "reacquainted" with it... I totally disagree with that sentiment.

The best games on Steam are ones that people throw money at w/o question and never think twice (well, at least for the whales anyways). Spend an hour with the game and getting hooked? There's plenty of them.

In MWO, suffering to grind out for a XL engine on the Raven (when I began) was a painful chore... EVEN with the deferred cadet bonus (needed 3 mechs for mastery after all). Most of the players under the current NPE are suffering in a similar manner... requiring major time (possibly w/o premium) to get out from the C-bill hole that are the terrible money sinks.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Theres are tons and tons reasons why thousands of active player and most of them were Bt fans abandoned the game. Steam wont change it until theres a turn around in pgi s way to run this game.


Just have a look how many founders this game had and now this game has barely enough players to make this fp2 game run


http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/60410-final-founders-numbers/


Edit: Dont be lazy to read the posts on that thread. PPl were so optimistic and had alot trust in Pgi. WHts left from that?

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 11 August 2015 - 01:45 PM.

[Green Mamba]

Azmaril, on 07 August 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

I did some beta on this game, and the game is nothing like beta...in fact the game has changed immensely...why?

Because of you...yes...YOU, and me, and him, and him, and her, and him, and...

See what I'm getting at?

All of us have already changed the game anyway!

Now, I'm not being rude, and I hope it doesn't come across as such, but your propostion is summed up here...

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Straw_man

Apologies if I seem to be digging at you, but I'm into metaphysics, and thus I find this interesting.

Beta?...Your Join date says July 15' ...Is this an At account?

[Karamarka]

I want Steam

Because

I want the matchmaker to actually work properly.

And by that, i mean having proper elo matchmaking between players - Instead of just averaging out the entire team. 1 day old players players on the same team as people who have insane stats.

[Gremlich Johns]

Kira_Onime, on 07 August 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Steam release will be a double edged sword.
Sure it will bring in new players but those said new players will tear this game a new one if some things aren't changed.

and MW:O may end up with the same population as Line of Defense.

[oldradagast]

If going to Steam simply meant more people would come to the game - and stay - it would be great.

But the brutal reality is that this game's watch-word is "minimally viable" and the NPE is utterly brutal to a pointless and irrational level.

What will really happen is that the influx of new players will rapidly turn into a spike in ex-players... most of whom will trash the game mercilessly in reviews... which will pretty much finish the game off, unless a lingering base of Battletech obsessed fans can keep it alive after such a beating.

[Scyther]

"00ohDstruct:

Posted 07 August 2015 - 11:03 PM
<3 this thread. It's made me realize quite a bit about the community. Thank you, Azmaril."


Because 19 posts by 9 different people reveals so much about 'the community'.

Edited by MadBadger, 11 August 2015 - 03:36 PM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

oldradagast, on 11 August 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

If going to Steam simply meant more people would come to the game - and stay - it would be great.

But the brutal reality is that this game's watch-word is "minimally viable" and the NPE is utterly brutal to a pointless and irrational level.

What will really happen is that the influx of new players will rapidly turn into a spike in ex-players... most of whom will trash the game mercilessly in reviews... which will pretty much finish the game off, unless a lingering base of Battletech obsessed fans can keep it alive after such a beating.

Qft

Karamarka, on 11 August 2015 - 03:02 PM, said:

I want Steam

Because

I want the matchmaker to actually work properly.

And by that, i mean having proper elo matchmaking between players - Instead of just averaging out the entire team. 1 day old players players on the same team as people who have insane stats.

Ummmm you really imply straight that this minimal viable grindfest f2p game will increase automaticly the playerbase with steamrelease. Thats infact not true. There are tons of nice f2p games, ppl will rather play those solid games

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 11 August 2015 - 04:28 PM.

[Summon3r]

Ted Wayz, on 07 August 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Others have stated before that Steam not going well will probably not kill this game, just slow development.

uhh could developement of MWO possibly be any slower?

[lpmagic]

If we want the influx of bodies to stick we have to be good hosts y'all. Honestly if we just cut back on the whining and complaining in game and the freakazoids complaining after dying first, we might get some baller players in this game and re-ramp up the interest, everyone knows there is still potential here to be exploited, steam gives us a shot at some of that, but not if we scare them all off on the first day lol. I personally will be prolly just driving a stock mech the day steam opens up, its only fair

[TyphonCh]

So many newbies to kill it's going to be fantastic!

You can't spell Slaughter without Laughter!!!!