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[Joseph Mallan]

Gladewolf, on 10 August 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:

......Errm.....how many comp teams do you see death balling against good players while on defense in CW? Breaking death balls is the name of the game. Furthermore, unless you are playing with your own team....you have NO IDEA what order of battle you are trying to death ball with...I've been charged by ravenous LRM boats before....and it's the HEIGHT of stupidity to bring your LRM 60 death machine within 300 meters of my 5mpl, ultra 10 build, because SOMEBODY used the word coward...sorry, but you need to play to what you have on the field and not some fantasy comp team.

Death Balling no, Moving in a cohesive unit...

[Soy]

LordBraxton, on 10 August 2015 - 05:59 AM, said:

This has become one of the hotter topics of contemporary MWO. Do snipers exist? I strongly believe that , no, they don't. Or shouldn't, anyway. If you are more than 50-100m behind your teammates you are a coward, not a support mech.

Yes, they exist.

Their mechs are not optimized for soaking and tanking.

Thus they are not cowards.

You are, however, a total moron.

[Gas Guzzler]

I love when Soy posts in threads like this, it let's me take a break from being the ******* and let's someone else drop truth on people.

[BigBenn]

"Sniping" is such a simplistic term. Try "long range direct fire support".

For one, if you're in a mech armed with gauss and ERLL (such as a CTF-0XP), you're supposed to sit back and take advantage of the long range ability and ECM defense. You'd be a fool if you didnt.

My favorite map (Alpine), is a blast to play with that exact mech (gauss, 2 ERLL, 2 ML, ECM, adv zoom, +5 gauss and ERLL mods). My longest hit is over 2000m away with the gauss. Oh what fun it is on that map with that mech.

"Sniping"... bah. Of course it exists and it is awesome position with the right mech and weapon(s). btw... a Raven with ECM and 2 ERLL is a LR skrimisher, not a sniper.

[Aiden Skye]

If my weapons go out to 900m optimal range, why am I going to facehug and overheat with hotter weapons that do less DPS? So I can be jousting amongst the brawlers, getting in their way, for position to get a clear shot and not shoot into their backs? If I'm going to do that, might as well bring a brawler!

Maybe you should let off the W key, disengage zerg mode and let your enemy come to you while ranged mechs work them down. Who am I kidding.

This is the only way, waaay to many people know how to play MWO.

[Lugh]

BigBenn, on 10 August 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

"Sniping" is such a simplistic term. Try "long range direct fire support".

For one, if you're in a mech armed with gauss and ERLL (such as a CTF-0XP), you're supposed to sit back and take advantage of the long range ability and ECM defense. You'd be a fool if you didnt.

My favorite map (Alpine), is a blast to play with that exact mech (gauss, 2 ERLL, 2 ML, ECM, adv zoom, +5 gauss and ERLL mods). My longest hit is over 2000m away with the gauss. Oh what fun it is on that map with that mech.

"Sniping"... bah. Of course it exists and it is awesome position with the right mech and weapon(s). btw... a Raven with ECM and 2 ERLL is a LR skrimisher, not a sniper.

For the most part its a poor one. Why? If I and people that make decisions like me see one, and we are in a fast medium or a light, we will find it and kill it in short order, with little to no trouble. You merrily jump and pulse you way around it until it overheats and then kill it.

Most 'sniper' builds in MWO are too slow to reposition quickly. Those builds need to stay near the back of their unit and support from there so they can 'advance to their friends' when harrassed. Why? Because while you COULD spend time twisting and juking trying to put down that light harass you are better served lettings someone else kill it while you PPFLD the things you are designed to...

The exceptions do exist of course. But, they too are better served being within reach of their team.

The TLDR portion?

Don't stray more than 2 Sectors away from friendly help so there is always a chance you will get some.

[Almond Brown]

Davegt27, on 10 August 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

Are you trying to get rid of people shooting you in the back? lol

If we can combine that with removing those allied Buttocks-Plugs from behind my Mech, then yes, removing FF due to the DB mentality would be a positive step forward.

Edited by Almond Brown, 10 August 2015 - 10:48 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Soy, on 10 August 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yes, they exist.

Their mechs are not optimized for soaking and tanking.

Thus they are not cowards.

You are, however, a total moron.

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

I love when Soy posts in threads like this, it let's me take a break from being the ******* and let's someone else drop truth on people.

Gas I agree... But if I paraphrase my quotes right, "Nobody is a complete moron."

[topgun505]

I think the only dangerous sniping right now are ERLL snipers (especially clan) mainly because the burn time is so long that you expose yourself to significant return fire. And if you are in a light or medium mech that will usually result in you getting mauled or killed after you poke just a couple times if you are not constantly moving to another perch.

PPCs and Gauss aren't as bad (although the charge mechanic does't leave much time to fine tune your aim after you peek).

Cookiemonter669, on 10 August 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

Long range sniping is really rare,and almost suicidal in pug games.Good positioning and luck might get decent results 1 in 15 games,but usually its just deathball vs deathball.

I always cringe when i see people running Raven 3L:s as a sniper in this current situation where literally one shot from a countersniper can shut you down. 3 ER LL + Gauss or beefier assault spots you -> bye bye.

Within 500-600 meters sniping with any midrange(or better)-mech or build can be successful and not bad for your teams overall performance.

Edited by topgun505, 10 August 2015 - 11:03 AM.

[xengk]

summery:
"stop shooting and tank for me you cowards!"

[Sable]

OP sounds salty because he tried to leeory jenkins the enemy team.

[Lexx]

Lugh, on 10 August 2015 - 06:26 AM, said:

Most of the 'snipers' I see are Raven 3L pilots that are patently bad at aiming and tickling people with the ERLL spam.

The true snipers are a much rarer breed. (Que the Raven 3L pilots outrage that his KDR is bettah than that). With your ECM you should be working the back of your own group so you can rush to cover people with your ECM and earn the protected light awards. Not cowering in some corner doing 1pt of damage from 1500meters away.

Raven 3L snipers are not only selfish, depriving their team of ECM coverage, they are also stupid.

If you are going to snipe with dual ER large lasers in a Raven, the 4X is much better. The 30% added energy range gives you an optimum range out to around 1000 meters. That's beyond where most LRM mechs can get locks on you, so there is really no need for ECM. Since you don't need ECM you have 1.5 extra tons for an extra heat sink and 1/2 ton more armor. The 30% beam duration quirk also means you spend less time out of cover to get your shot off, making you less vulnerable to return fire.

The Raven 4X is a much better ER large laser sniper than the Raven 3L, and you won't piss off your teammates by depriving them of ECM coverage.

[Damien Tokala]

ebon jag, gauss, 4 and a half tons ammo, two large pulse, small laser for tax, enhanced zoom, i'm the one picking your sorry asses off from range while you fire lasers wildly at my position.

[Melon Lord]

Lexx, on 10 August 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

The Raven 4X is a much better ER large laser sniper than the Raven 3L, and you won't piss off your teammates by depriving them of ECM coverage.

How would bringing a mech without ECM help those who want to leech off others ECM? If you're the type of person who gets annoyed the mech with ECM is doing there own thing, you are the type of person who gets mad that the other 11 mechs all don't have ECM to protect you. AKA the type of person who doesn't bring ECM themselves but complains they don't have ECM cover.

[Squirg]

Wow you're right sniping is so useless.

[Lykaon]

LordBraxton, on 10 August 2015 - 05:59 AM, said:

This has become one of the hotter topics of contemporary MWO. Do snipers exist? I strongly believe that , no, they don't. Or shouldn't, anyway. If you are more than 50-100m behind your teammates you are a coward, not a support mech. The irrefutable reason? :The symbiotic shield is bar-none the best defense in MWO. Even organized teams will waste rounds while they coordinate their focus fire, and in 99% of matches where focus fire is mediocre to nonexistent, the symbiotic shield is god mode. In short, be aggressive, and stick right next to your teammates. Anything else is actually playing wrong.

So the only exceptable method of playing is to glom up in a mechball and march at the enemy?


Got it.

[Bishop Steiner]

I Zeratul I, on 10 August 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

Snipers exist and can be useful standing a thousand meters away from their team.

Snipers indeed do exist. Whether or not they are actually useful to their team, in most cases? THAT would be the question. I submit more often than not, Snipers may post decent numbers, but in most cases it's to the detriment of their team, who is being used as a meat shield to the snipers epeen.

There are exceptions, but there are a lot less Carlos Hathcocks in MWO than most self proclaimed "snipers" will ever admit.

MechB Kotare, on 10 August 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

I like using ER technology and all its pros (long range). Dont expect me to brawl/rush/deathball with you. I like destroying mechs from 1k distance. More aim precision skill than fighting at 50m.

Heh...most people are precision lightsabering 2-3 ERLL at 1000k. I find very few precision ANYTHING.

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 10 August 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

I dont ever use LRMs but for the sake of the argument, should LRM builds stay in the death ball? I could see a potential problem for LRM boats in this situation.


losing its triple range hurt it the most, that was a sad day.

Honestly, LRM builds should be pretty close to the death ball. If you are more than 500 meters away and LRMing, chances are you are wasting most of your missiles anyhow. If you can hold around 300 meters, and maintain LOS, you can also contribute your LOS weapons, and your Missiles will have amuch higher accuracy, and thus be useful.

Some twit standing at 800-1000 meters spamming lrms is about as useless as most of the dual ERLL Jedi Ravens out there.

Of course, TBH, the majority of your LRM80 mechs are pretty bad anyhow. Some score decent enough damage, but it's grossly inefficient and spread all over the place. I'd much prefer to see a HBK-4J or a 6x5 MDD than any Assault LRM Boat on my team. They are almost always going to be more useful to the team.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 August 2015 - 03:18 PM.

[Khobai]

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Breaking death balls is the name of the game.

yeah but the term deathball generally doesnt refer to the formations used by organized teams.

deathballing is the term given to the clumping and focus firing that occurs instinctively when you have a group of above average players on the same team. it just kindve forms naturally on its own in most games.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

0/10 when you troll youre supposed to be more transparent about it. Look for a thread by Roadbeer called "Why youre wrong about..." for the best example