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[Mavairo]

I am going to vote to keep the score visible to just yourself.
We already have metrics to gauge how bad someone is, if they whine about LRMs.

That being said, it'd be nice to have a system so that these people whom after 3 years still can't play, actually have a number telling them how bad they are, maybe they'll actually at last start learning how to play..or just uninstall.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Allow it opt in/out. Let the little men get their self-esteem fix somewhere else.

[Dimento Graven]

Almond Brown, on 19 August 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

Dude. It is a online video game ffs. If everyone had your attitude, you would be playing alone. You assume others don't want to win and them shame and chastise them when they don't meet your expectations?

Hey, it's the idiots that lose and shrug their shoulders and say, "I don't care, it's only a game" as an excuse for every loss, playing stupidly, and generally screwing over 11 other people that are the problem.

Those out there making honest efforts, playing intelligently, and attempting to play as a team, they aren't they're just as upset at those afore mentioned morons as the rest of us.

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Who the **** are you again? That Coach. Well Coach. New flash for you. Until I join your "Team" full time, you may suck my nuts if I don't somehow meet your expectations.

Hey, any time you drop on my team, feel free to disco. Your attitude screams, "It's my right to not give a ****, and fail, and **** the rest of you people if you get upset. MY fun is all that matters, you're here to service me!"

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P.S. You know what is even worse than those "neo-Spock liberals"? "A loud mouthed Dbag know it all" who figures they are just better than everyone else and wants to make sure everyone else know it.

Yeah, I can still one up you on that, it's the "neo-Spock liberal, who is also a loud mouthed Dbag know it all" who believes he's entitled to do whatever he wants, regardless of the consequences to others.

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But niether would wish to truly offend anyone right? LOL!

I must not be any of the above, because I have absolutely no compunction against offending others, specifically those that deserve it.

[Mystere]

Eglar, on 19 August 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

*prepares a meme for when this happens*

Well, you should have teamed up with these guys instead:

[Lugh]

I can haz tears? Soon? How soon? How about now? Pweeeaze?

[Aresye]

So a lot of people echoing the same potential negatives, and others presenting their counter-arguments to those negatives. For once, perhaps some people could add in some positives to public tiers?

The whole, "T1's will discredit T4/T5's opinions," is a double edged sword, and any potential negatives from that segregation have already been happening. People just haven't realized it and/or have selectively ignored it. Why? Because we're a small community. We know who the T1 players are. Most of them don't post on the forum, but the ones that do we already subconsciously give their opinion more attention than unknown scrub #5 with 2 posts who downloaded the game yesterday.

Will the scenario above happen? Yes
Will it happen very often? No

It's simply a risk assessment. Does the risk of a rare elitist remark from a T1 ignoring a T4/T5's good idea outweigh the more likely day to day positives of T4/T5s being able to read credible guides written by T1 players? Don't forget that new players that haven't played the game very long don't have any idea who they should take advice from, and while some of those in the lower tiers do have some solid advice, there's also a lot of really bad advice that's counter-intuitive to them progressing as a player.

I personally think new players having the ability to filter that stuff is extremely important.

[Bilbo]

FYI: http://mwomercs.com/...ill-rating-psr/

[bad arcade kitty]

Mavairo, on 19 August 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

I am going to vote to keep the score visible to just yourself.

visible to you means visible to any special site to which you allowed to get the access to that info, there is already a site which can track your w/l and k/d that way... there will be a site to track ratings... and if you don't allow it you will be called pu...y, people care of those ratings more than of w/l and k/d

[Bilbo]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 August 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

visible to you means visible to any special site to which you allowed to get the access to that info, there is already a site which can track your w/l and k/d that way... there will be a site to track ratings... and if you don't allow it you will be called pu...y, people care of those ratings more than of w/l and k/d

I've been called worse by people who matter to me. Can't imagine it would bother me much to be called names by the anonymous people of the internet.

[Mavairo]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 August 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

visible to you means visible to any special site to which you allowed to get the access to that info, there is already a site which can track your w/l and k/d that way... there will be a site to track ratings... and if you don't allow it you will be called pu...y, people care of those ratings more than of w/l and k/d

I frankly don't care. I win over 50 percent of my games, and have a positive kdr, and I play this game, pretty well hammered most of the time. Wins / Losses 785 / 770 Kill / Death Ratio 1.25
That was good enough to net me second in under 30 games in the Fang, in the hero tournament. (mostly cause I laid off the sauce a lil)
That being said, I can understand why people would want it to remain private.
It can remain an educational tool, to people however, when they get ready to come onto this forum, whine ***** and moan about how X is OP. They can simply look at their stats, realize they do infact suck. And either determine to get better or to keep their mouth shut. Yeah, that's probably a lil optimistic on the last part but I can dream right?

As far as I'm aware however, there isn't any site which tracks those stats other than this one. Other than whoever PGI is selling the info to of course.

Edited by Mavairo, 19 August 2015 - 02:42 PM.

[Aresye]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 August 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

visible to you means visible to any special site to which you allowed to get the access to that info, there is already a site which can track your w/l and k/d that way... there will be a site to track ratings... and if you don't allow it you will be called pu...y, people care of those ratings more than of w/l and k/d

MechStats already uses a decent algorithm to rank players using ALL of their available stats, including mech and module use. I don't see many players (read: none at all) criticizing other players for not using it, so there's no reason to suspect that if a separate site (or the same site) begins tracking Tier levels, anything would be different.

A lot of fearmongering and speculation based off of zero historical instances within MWO of any of this ever happening.

[Mavairo]

Aresye Kerensky, on 19 August 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

MechStats already uses a decent algorithm to rank players using ALL of their available stats, including mech and module use. I don't see many players (read: none at all) criticizing other players for not using it, so there's no reason to suspect that if a separate site (or the same site) begins tracking Tier levels, anything would be different.

A lot of fearmongering and speculation based off of zero historical instances within MWO of any of this ever happening.

Well all you really have to do, to look at the toxic ass hattery that opens things up to, is look at world of tanks with XVM. From my understanding WOT's atmosphere is utterly vitriolic and toxic. I never played WOT but it wouldn't shock me.

Edited by Mavairo, 19 August 2015 - 03:03 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Aresye Kerensky, on 19 August 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

MechStats already uses a decent algorithm to rank players using ALL of their available stats, including mech and module use. I don't see many players (read: none at all) criticizing other players for not using it, so there's no reason to suspect that if a separate site (or the same site) begins tracking Tier levels, anything would be different.

A lot of fearmongering and speculation based off of zero historical instances within MWO of any of this ever happening.

yeah that's the site what i meant

but since pgi doesn't even allow to completely close your stats... their #3 would allow you to use a slightly modified mechstats.com, their #1 and #2 allow you to see the stats on the official site... so it doesn't matter what i say

btw i saw how it worked in dota2 pre separate ranked

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 August 2015 - 03:12 PM.

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Mavairo, on 19 August 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

Well all you really have to do, to look at the toxic ass hattery that opens things up to, is look at world of tanks with XVM. From my understanding WOT's atmosphere is utterly vitriolic and toxic. I never played WOT but it wouldn't shock me.

Numbers and stats are what an individual makes of it.

I see you have 1859 posts, it's displayed right under your name in your last message. What's the purpose of that? Should it matter if you have more? Is it supposed to give people more authority over those who only have 2... or 200?

The potential for measuring e-peen is already here on every post in the forums. Yet I've never seen judge another by the amount of posts they have in any thread I've ever posted in. Does it mean it never happens? No, but using the same analogy people are here about keeping their stats secret, I've never seen rampant threads about keeping post numbers secret.

[bad arcade kitty]

i would prefer not to have the number of posts counter too

[Tincan Nightmare]

Hasn't this all happened before, when people were demanding that players KDR be made public, generally for the ability to devalue their opinion in the forums if they weren't 'good' enough? Man have to hand it to the Battlestar Galactica writers with that whole 'all this has happened before and will happen again' stuff. Might as well just start a thread titled 'only tier 1 players should be allowed to post on the forums' right now to save some time.