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[M4rtyr]

JediPanther, on 18 August 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

I want to be in T2 because we all know all other terminator movies after T2 are weak. I think it should be kept private like said above. It would just get people going your tier sucks and mine is better etc. The game just needs to be fun to play for people and not some I'm in a better teir than you whine fest.

Especially if trying to have a meaningful discussion about mechanics...

"You're just a T4 scrub you don't even know anything about the game because of it"

"WAAA!! PGI I'm T1 and so and so beat me, nerf everything they have!"

*shudders*

[Deathlike]

I do kinda care what my tier is (3, maybe 2), but trudging up arguments about separation of players by Tiers (aka "the 1337 club") is not exactly something I like.

I'd like everyone to get better, so I don't have to suffer from really bad/dumb losses (last guy being the one that doesn't use "R" to target and fires all over the place), and I don't have problems trying to help them out.

The problem really is besides aim... there's a level of discipline and thinking that is required and while I don't always have the most discipline, I care a lot about how things went (how it went well or didn't go well) due to just doing the basic stuff that was demanded of the player (asking to do his best requires a level of understanding of what was being asked of him).

So... it's kind of a thing where people can get better... IF they are willing to get better.

Can't stop the LBX/MG/LRM non-meta from doing really dumb things in combat.. only you are responsible for what you do in combat.

[Goose]

DjPush, on 18 August 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

Who cares what tier you're in

Join a group of the wrong tier, and then ask me again …

[Hydrocarbon]

I'd think making it privately viewable would be best. People will get an idea if they suck or not, and maybe some in Tier 3-5 will realize maybe their LURM Boats are not, in-fact, gods among mechs. They just have ****ty opponents & their heads stuck up their rears.

I've known some people that were disabled & knew they sucked, but they good people so it wasn't an issue playing with them. I've also played with a small handful of great players that were complete d***heads, and they never seem to make it on my friends list.




Honestly CW is a very good way to determine PSR/Tier. Do you consistently get in the top 3 for damage or kills on your team? Bottom 3?

[Mycrus]

Hydrocarbon, on 18 August 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

I'd think making it privately viewable would be best. People will get an idea if they suck or not, and maybe some in Tier 3-5 will realize maybe their LURM Boats are not, in-fact, gods among mechs. They just have ****ty opponents & their heads stuck up their rears.

I've known some people that were disabled & knew they sucked, but they good people so it wasn't an issue playing with them. I've also played with a small handful of great players that were complete d***heads, and they never seem to make it on my friends list.




Honestly CW is a very good way to determine PSR/Tier. Do you consistently get in the top 3 for damage or kills on your team? Bottom 3?

Tiers is about match score... it goes beyond dmg or kills or win/loss for that matter

[Revis Volek]

FupDup, on 18 August 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

To see if you're T1, keep an eye on the players list each match. If you see certain names from top units like SJR, EmP, 420, Lords, etc. then you're at the Peaks of Mount Tryhard™.

To see if you're T5, look at the loadouts of your team and the enemy. If you see LRM + Gauss Atlases, or Jagermechs with 3 different calibers of Autocannons at the same time, you're in the Steering Wheel Underhive™.

I'm not so sure all the "TOP PLAYER" are really that, Im sure most will be but if you arent being a team player and just stand around poaching kills it will show. I have seen it already...i am getting better match scores then most that out dmg me and get more kills but dont play the full game.

Alek Ituin, on 18 August 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

There are 3 lies in this world:

Lies, DAMN LIES!, and statistics.

EDIT: Top kek, just realized this ended up as a C&P of your sig.

Oh the irony.....

This is another reason i'd like them to be public...so when peeps come along spouting how good they are and you beat them you can rub it in their face! lolz

I really dont care honestly....Show em, hide em. Whatever....

Edited by DarthRevis, 18 August 2015 - 09:57 PM.

[Hydrocarbon]

Mycrus, on 18 August 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

Tiers is about match score... it goes beyond dmg or kills or win/loss for that matter

True, but if you're the best at damaging mechs, chances are you'll also get the most component destructions, the most assists, the most solo kills, the most kill-most damage dealt, the most hit & runs, the most spot assists, the most savior kills, the most scouting, the most flanking the most killing blows... pretty much all the stuff that might increase your match score - and PSR.

[Revis Volek]

Hydrocarbon, on 18 August 2015 - 10:05 PM, said:

True, but if you're the best at damaging mechs, chances are you'll also get the most component destructions, the most assists, the most solo kills, the most kill-most damage dealt, the most hit & runs, the most spot assists, the most savior kills, the most scouting, the most flanking the most killing blows... pretty much all the stuff that might increase your match score - and PSR.

As far as we know right now, they stated in the patch notes they added more things so we will see. Those are the big ones though you are 100% correct. But like i stated in other threads, i have been running lights and deliberately trying to scout more then fight, launch uav's use NARC/TAG and run BAP to see if it helps the score even though im not doing dmg and it has dramatically changed since the patch.

[Sarlic]

FupDup, on 18 August 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

To see if you're T5, look at the loadouts of your team and the enemy. If you see LRM + Gauss Atlases...

???!!!

Poor D-DCs!

Edited by Sarlic, 19 August 2015 - 12:25 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Lugh, on 18 August 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

So uselessly subjective? As in I see so and so, very often so I must be tier 1?

And with the changes, and the promise that a tier 5 player will never see a tier 1 player, I find it hard to believe as I could have friends start playing this week, suck all week long, get bumped down to that level, then if I am the tier 1 and I team with them, they will likely see other tier one's etc...

not to mention how many/few play this game

[Karamarka]

I'd like too see it. Just to validate my terrible existence, or glorify my godliness.

[NeoCodex]

It's hard to tell, but maybe check to see if you ever see any trial mechs or obvious starter pilots firing MG's at 500 meters. This probably means you are not T1.

The way PGI described, by logic (not PGI Logic), is if a T1 can't face a T4, that means that the tiers can possibly overlap this way: 1-2-3, 2-3-4 and 3-4-5. You can get a full T3 only game, but it's likely that some, or most games will be composed from pilot rankings from one of those combinations.

So it's really hard to tell what tier you are. If you are T3, and deviation really works this way, this means that you can see everything in your matches. Just the odds are lower that you will get really crappy matches this time.

Edited by NeoCodex, 18 August 2015 - 11:52 PM.

[Will HellFire]

Aresye Kerensky, on 18 August 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Isn't your entire argument sort of contradictory, considering you are very likely a Tier 1 player, and you showing concern for these problems is a pretty good indication that you would NOT do these things?

Eglar is a rara avis in Tier 1 Players....always nice, well spoken, he doesnt let his ego talk for him, never trashtalks, always respectful of the enemy. There are some groups which are Tier 1 and have all my respect because they are respectful, but there are others (ggclose Lord 1d1ots!) that only deserve contemp for their huge egos.

Honestly, the T1 players that are egomaniacs and behave like rude kids are already doing so. I dont think publishing their stats public (oh yes, they WILL let you know that they are T1) will make it worse, as the responsible Tier 1 players already behave respectfuly and wont change their attittudes.

In short, it will change nothing.

Except maybe in the masses of mediocre players....when one of them reaches Tier 2, he is justified now to show us which kind of person he is: either an ego driven idiot or a grown up person.

Edited by Will HellFire, 19 August 2015 - 12:27 AM.

[Random Carnage]

As soon as you can see your own tier in the stats tab, I bet there'll be a whole lot o T1 e-sigs going on. Prob a few T5 as well for the trendy counter culture brigade, or the truly witless.

[Lily from animove]

FupDup, on 18 August 2015 - 11:54 AM, said:

To see if you're T1, keep an eye on the players list each match. If you see certain names from top units like SJR, EmP, 420, Lords, etc. then you're at the Peaks of Mount Tryhard™.

To see if you're T5, look at the loadouts of your team and the enemy. If you see LRM + Gauss Atlases, or Jagermechs with 3 different calibers of Autocannons at the same time, you're in the Steering Wheel Underhive™.

except wiht the fact that T1 and T3 can meet which just emans IF the others are T1 you can probably also be T. but could also be the others are just T2 and you are T5. or both you are T2.. Thats all just fishy and then very much a estimated guess.

Will HellFire, on 19 August 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

Eglar is a rara avis in Tier 1 Players....always nice, well spoken, he doesnt let his ego talk for him, never trashtalks, always respectful of the enemy. There are some groups which are Tier 1 and have all my respect because they are respectful, but there are others (ggclose Lord 1d1ots!) that only deserve contemp for their huge egos.

Honestly, the T1 players that are egomaniacs and behave like rude kids are already doing so. I dont think publishing their stats public (oh yes, they WILL let you know that they are T1) will make it worse, as the responsible Tier 1 players already behave respectfuly and wont change their attittudes.

In short, it will change nothing.

Except maybe in the masses of mediocre players....when one of them reaches Tier 2, he is justified now to show us which kind of person he is: either an ego driven idiot or a grown up person.

well you cna then still tlel them how amazing you find it that they managed T1 in MWO while their mental level stayed at T5. This either makes them more mad or shut up.

Edited by Lily from animove, 19 August 2015 - 12:31 AM.

[Deathlike]

NeoCodex, on 18 August 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

It's hard to tell, but maybe check to see if you ever see any trial mechs or obvious starter pilots firing MG's at 500 meters. This probably means you are not T1.

The way PGI described, by logic (not PGI Logic), is if a T1 can't face a T4, that means that the tiers can possibly overlap this way: 1-2-3, 2-3-4 and 3-4-5. You can get a full T3 only game, but it's likely that some, or most games will be composed from pilot rankings from one of those combinations.

So it's really hard to tell what tier you are. If you are T3, and deviation really works this way, this means that you can see everything in your matches. Just the odds are lower that you will get really crappy matches this time.

It's actually VERY obvious in some cases with certain matches.

Since PSR still uses the "average" of the teams, well... if there are players on your team or opfor that has a Champion mech AND scores very little.. they are most likely Tier 4 or 5.

It is very much conceivable that Tier 1s will play with Tier 5s ON THE SAME TEAM... even if the opfor does not have Tier 1 players (probably some combination of Tier 2 and Tier 3 players).

It's easier to construct such a mechanism to work OK in solo (derpage will still happen an an alarmingly regular rate)... but it's significantly harder in groups (to the point where the MM tells you it cannot find a match on occasion - though I'm unsure if that's a bug or an actual problem).

With unknown teams and players (basically, any team you can't readily identify and associate with a certain Tier level), it's seems harder to figure out, but trial mechs don't lie!

Edited by Deathlike, 19 August 2015 - 12:39 AM.

[monk]

So here's a silly way to show it. How about the game server tells you that average tier for a match. I dunno why we'd use such a convoluted measure, but it would avoid people knowing exactly what everyone else was and still have an idea what they were.

"Welcome to the MWO N. Amercian server: Tier 3 match"

Something like that. Then you can surmise your current tier without them having to create complete transparency. If you get stuck in a lot of tier 1 matches you can probably guess you're highly ranked. If you are always showing up for tier 5 matches...you're probably not.

[Davegt27]

go cap there base
if all 12 show up and kick the crap out of you know they are tier 1

remember its not your tier thats important its the guy on the other side

[Cyborne Elemental]

I don't care what Tier I'm in, all I know is that I have to wait a freaking long time to drop in a game no matter what mech I'm in.

[Karamarka]

monk, on 19 August 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

So here's a silly way to show it. How about the game server tells you that average tier for a match. I dunno why we'd use such a convoluted measure, but it would avoid people knowing exactly what everyone else was and still have an idea what they were.

"Welcome to the MWO N. Amercian server: Tier 3 match"

Something like that. Then you can surmise your current tier without them having to create complete transparency. If you get stuck in a lot of tier 1 matches you can probably guess you're highly ranked. If you are always showing up for tier 5 matches...you're probably not.

Interesting Idea.

I'd still like them to show us our private tiers and ranking stuff as well.