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[Catamount]

Kay Wolf, on 07 December 2011 - 06:53 AM, said:

It is the drugs, too much government control, and a lack of parental control over their children that has flushed basic manners, and a thirst for knowledge, right down the toilet.

Oh boy, the old "You young whipper-snappers and your newfangled ways are going to be the death of us argument", again (as it's been preached for 5,000 years).

No offense, but I'd put my generation's "thirst for knowledge" above that of yours any day of the week. People of my generation are getting college educations more frequently than your ever did, and if you really want to continue this line of argument, we beat the hell out of people from, say, the middle of the last century, and for that matter, our drug usage is far less egregious than theirs too. Honestly, the concentrations of drugs consumed by my generation would be considered weak by the standards of the 60s. In fact, average LSD dosages were ten times higher then than in the 90s (I don't have data for this decade).


As for manners, etiquette comes and goes. We'll decide who's is better when we can compare the society our generation creates in 20 or 30 years compared to what you and those before you created (and I'll bet you anything we'll beat the hell out of you there, too, as has been the trend throughout pretty much all of mankind's history since the Enlightenment began).


Parenting... well I might agree with you there, but then that's your fault, not ours

But I digress.


The point is that you can debate various attitudes towards BT canon all you want, and frankly, as someone who can be a bit of a canon **** myself in other franchises, I have a certain sympathy for your point of view (really, don't even get me started on "NuTrek"!), but please, don't attribute it to some imaginary superiority of the "older people". I get enough off that outside of the internet.

Edited by Catamount, 07 December 2011 - 10:13 AM.

[metro]

Well Cat, on most of your opinion, I can see your point. I too remember growing up, being told to do what I was told to do, and resenting it.

I dont want this argument to continue between you and the others.

MWO was 10 years plus in the making. Its not who is right or wrong Mechwarriors versus Battletech , its about just what is MWO going to provide, to bring the two sides together so that we can enjoy each others company, and enjoy the game.

I think the divide is trivial semantics, and in the end game, everyone can say WOW ! LETS PLAY !

again, thats the optimist in me.

[CeeKay Boques]

I finally figured it out!

Ok, when some of our friends bang on MW2 and and MW3 and that MW3 by Microprose (one of the best coders of our time) suck, because its not enough like BattleTech, I feel the disconnect, like we're not on the same page.

Then it dawned on me. The point is, regardless whether or not MW2 or 3 floated your BattleTech Boat, these were some of the best, most cutting edge, video games of all time. [kanye]All Time.[/kanye]. That means, they were really fun and enjoyable, for thousands of people. MW4 had a huge community for a long time! So in my mind, I can't resolve the hate, but then I realize, that they're just trying to get BattleTech on to their screen, and aren't concerned with whether or not these were fantastic, successful video games. Which I and many others have thoroughly enjoyed, and look forward to the next installment of this award winning series.

So when a poster says "Scratch all that, throw it in the river, those games are junk... without much of how to do it differently, it scares me just as much as if a MechAssault fan were to ask it to be video gamey, and reach for that as a goal. Believe me, I want a reboot, I want new, I want improved, but the core mechanic of what makes Mechwarrior successful, what I enjoy about it, the simulation aspect, the mulitplayer online aspect, the skill aspect, I really hope those stay, and when we look for ways to slow it down and make it more board gamey, I guess that's where we disconnect. I love BattleTech, I have mechs in blisters waiting in the paint queue. But I love videogames too, and to deny that the MW series has been a successful BattleTech/Mechwarrior Franchise, a wonderful time spent gaming, is to not understand computer games at all, and that almost makes me wish your opinon could be silenced. I guess if that applies to you, you might think the same, all these video gamers ruining "Innersphere Online".

[Threat Doc]

I'm not going to continue the argument; I don't need to. There are counters to absolutely everything you said, Catamount, and there are counters you will, invariably, come up with, and then counters others will have, etc., etc. What I said was the truth, period, and not just from my point-of-view, either. Have a nice day, Cat.

[Robert Remington]

GaussDragon, on 06 December 2011 - 02:04 PM, said:

I never once called anyone 'elitist'. I deliberately did not address those comments because I don't see it as elitism, I see it as enthusiasm, which I explicitly said I appreciate. I don't care one way or another if people use esoteric lore terms like 'zellbrigen'. The purists bring a level enthusiasm and richness to the community, I just with the simulator-take-all/forget-all-others sort of approach a lot of them have towards this game.

I am sorry i implicated you,please accept my apologies. No harm, no foul.

[metro]

Robert Remington, on 07 December 2011 - 09:14 AM, said:

I am sorry i implicated you,please accept my apologies. No harm, no foul.

one more mechwarrior and another battletech'er come together. I knew it could be done.

[GaussDragon]

Metro, on 07 December 2011 - 04:27 AM, said:

I hope MWO delivers a product we will all be happy to play together.

This shouldnt be Battltetech fans versus Mechwarrior fans.

I am hoping that MWO will provide a platform where we will all come together to be a part of one of the most successful game launches in history.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. I'd dump a weeks worth of 'likes' into this if I could.

[metro]

GaussDragon, on 07 December 2011 - 09:37 AM, said:

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. I'd dump a weeks worth of 'likes' into this if I could.

Thanks Guass.

We all need to pull together! In favor of PGI's success with this game.

I do believe in spooks I do I do I do I do..."My favorite quote from Wizard of OZ"

If PGI fail with MWO to span the divide between the player bases, it will never happen. I for one believe in people to step up , more so than others. So MWO's: Innersphere cannot leave anything to want. I thinkPGI know this. It is F2P if, the MW/BT community do not like MWO in the end, they will find it hard "toPay" any of the MWO community to play it. But I trust Russ and Bryan know what they have taken on, and we may not see it all at the start, but I trust that MWO will just keep on evolving into the PERFECT experience for us all.

[Threat Doc]

Metro, are we trading days, arguing one day and being conciliatory the next, and then vice-versa? Today seems to be your good day, my friend.

Regardless, I'm out of this thread. Be good, y'all <S>.

[metro]

Kay Wolf, on 07 December 2011 - 09:44 AM, said:

Metro, are we trading days, arguing one day and being conciliatory the next, and then vice-versa? Today seems to be your good day, my friend.

Regardless, I'm out of this thread. Be good, y'all <S>.

No my friend, no trading needed or expected.

98.5% of the threads on this forum are strictly based on assumption.

I want to believe PGI know the monster they took on when they announced this thing 2 years ago.

I want a full and 100% Innersphere experience for everyone who wants to play MWO. I think the Community deserves it. H e l l everyone has waited long enough. So why shouldnt it be the ultimate experience?? This community compares to no other in gaming. PERIOD.

So I think everyone who has supported it, no matter their tastes, likes or dislikes, should be giving the chance to experience as much or as little of it as they choose to.

As I have said before, I trust the PGI crew......trust me, if they let us down, noone will fall harder than I will.

Edited by Metro, 07 December 2011 - 09:49 AM.

[Mason Grimm]

Metro said:

98.5% of the threads on this forum are strictly based on assumption.

This

Metro, on 07 December 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

We all need to pull together! In favor of PGI's success with this game.

Most definitely this.

[Catamount]

Kay Wolf, on 07 December 2011 - 09:08 AM, said:

I'm not going to continue the argument; I don't need to. There are counters to absolutely everything you said, Catamount, and there are counters you will, invariably, come up with, and then counters others will have, etc., etc. What I said was the truth, period, and not just from my point-of-view, either. Have a nice day, Cat.

There are counters, but they would be wrong (and honestly, since education and desire for knowledge have ONLY trended upward for the past 500 years, inexorably, a suggestion of anything else is just a classic "my generation is special" bias).

As for the rest of your post, as I said, I'm inclined to agree, at least enough to not warrant quibbling over any minor point I might consider debatable.

[Catamount]

Metro, on 07 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

MWO was 10 years plus in the making. Its not who is right or wrong Mechwarriors versus Battletech , its about just what is MWO going to provide, to bring the two sides together so that we can enjoy each others company, and enjoy the game.

I think the divide is trivial semantics, and in the end game, everyone can say WOW ! LETS PLAY !

again, thats the optimist in me.

In truth, I suspect there's probably more common ground than disagreement, but people will be people, so seeking out the points of disagreement is always going to be the focus of topics, even if it's largely little more than minutiae compared to the points of agreement.


MrSmiles' State of the Sphere survey revealed that much; honestly, we're a pretty monolithic group.


And as an unabashed Trekkie, I endorse your optimism

Edited by Catamount, 07 December 2011 - 10:25 AM.

[Kaemon]

Despite the amount of young people in this thread, I'll fire up my walker and hobble in.

Catamount - love it, you remind me of...well...me....about 20 years ago. Stick to your guns brother, us old people need youngsters to yell at that don't fold up and get all lip quivery at the first 'get off my lawn' that comes out.

The only real tie in I care enough about to post about in this thread is the COMMUNITY of the TT games, I didn't play much, but I sat in with my friends and some of the best times I remember were the gaming sessions and the hilarious conversations that come about while we hung out.

The transfer of knowledge from the community will be critical in this game to new players who know nothing, and while it can be frustrating at times, really it's about the survival of the IP.

It's that interaction that will make this game special, graphics...whatever (I can barely see anyway)...gameplay....as long as the mech turns and blows stuff up, I'll be good.

It's the interaction, the Merc Corp taking a new player under their wing and giving them insight into this world, whether they want to use it as daily instruction or historical perspective is their choice.

But at least they have it, it's about choices in these types of games, the devs offer some, the community/playerbase offers more.

That's a game I want to play, that's a game I will PAY to play.

end of story.

Edited by Kaemon, 07 December 2011 - 10:31 AM.

[metro]

Metro, on 07 December 2011 - 09:48 AM, said:

No my friend, no trading needed or expected.

98.5% of the threads on this forum are strictly based on assumption.

I want to believe PGI know the monster they took on when they announced this thing 2 years ago.

I want a full and 100% Innersphere experience for everyone who wants to play MWO. I think the Community deserves it. H e l l everyone has waited long enough. So why shouldnt it be the ultimate experience?? This community compares to no other in gaming. PERIOD.

So I think everyone who has supported it, no matter their tastes, likes or dislikes, should be giving the chance to experience as much or as little of it as they choose to.

As I have said before, I trust the PGI crew......trust me, if they let us down, noone will fall harder than I will.

[metalwolf2900]

i whole heartedly agree with you kaemon

[metro]

sorry metalwolf....that a few have given you a bad taste in your mouth. It should not be that way. as I have said before,

Quote

98.5% of the threads on this forum are strictly based on assumption.

I want to believe PGI know the monster they took on when they announced this thing 2 years ago.

I want a full and 100% Innersphere experience for everyone who wants to play MWO. I think the Community deserves it. H e l l everyone has waited long enough. So why shouldnt it be the ultimate experience?? This community compares to no other in gaming. PERIOD.

So I think everyone who has supported it, no matter their tastes, likes or dislikes, should be giving the chance to experience as much or as little of it as they choose to.

Edited by Metro, 07 December 2011 - 03:15 PM.

[Demi-Precentor Konev]

Kaemon, on 07 December 2011 - 10:30 AM, said:

The transfer of knowledge from the community will be critical in this game to new players who know nothing, and while it can be frustrating at times, really it's about the survival of the IP.

I think this is really crucial in understanding why so many of the TT crowd are concerned/adamant about keeping the BT setting at the forefront of the game. The storyline of the universe is what really separates BT from every other mecha IP. I don't think anyone is saying they want a turn-based TT simulator - they just want the personality of the TT game to come through.

[Pht]

Quinn Allard, on 01 December 2011 - 12:20 PM, said:

Is it just me or does the majority of people in this community BT people? Because there are MechWarrior players that are unfarmiliar with BT and the TT game. Lots of "I love the KC 34C" and "lets not forget the TRO 3025". While I love anything MechWarrior, I think BattleTech people need to bring it down a notch and put things in Layman Terms for those of us who havnt read all the TROs and dont know anything about the TableTop Game and not much about BattleTech lore and such. I'm sure there are lots of people out there like me, who've played EVERY Mech PC game, but still feel like a ****** when I am trying to join in on some conversations. Just be considerate of the community



PS I have read a few BT novels and such, but please try to see what I'm trying to say.
PSS I wonder if the Devs are going to lean towards all-out BT and TT (Since Weisman is involved), or going to bring back the magic of MechWarrior 2.

Quinn, several of us with a more than passing knowledge of the BTUniverse tried to start a couple of "basic info" threads when this forum started. "We feel your pain."

That said, the sarna wiki is very useful. You might also get a kick out of the link in my sig.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

I agree with that young whippersnapper Kaemon