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[Poisoner]

Since the ACH came out. Been meaning to post this fact for a few days.

[Koniks]

Now the FS9 players complain about the ACH.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

The worst offender did get a rather hefty nerf around when the timbie got nerfed and hit reg is much better these days.

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 20 August 2015 - 09:41 PM.

[Juodas Varnas]

I stopped having any serious problems with the Firestarters after the HSR patch, some time ago. Extremely easy to focus down and pop one of the side torsos and be done with it.
The same can't be said about the Arctic Cheater. You can't really ST-pop it, and for legging? It's probably the hardest mech to leg in the game. I mean, due to quirks its legs are as tough as a cicada's (if my math isn't completely off), while the size is pretty small for Light mech standards (mostly due to the humanoid shape of the mech), not only that, it has large arms that shield pretty well, especially if you're in a tall mech, you can barely hit the legs if the ACH pilot knows what he's doing.
I could also add that the ACH's animations add to this difficulty to leg, due to how wide the stride is

I don't know.

[Nauht]

The king is dead!

Long live the king...

All hail our new Artic Cheater overlord.

[aniviron]

Can't wait until this thing comes out for cbills.

Because then it will get nerfed.

[Kjudoon]

The royal family of broken cheeter mechs:

Spider
Firestarter
Arctic Cheetah

I know I'm missing one.

These have not been fixed, they've just fallen behind in the powercreep and are now just in the mix of mechs taken because if they were fixed they'd be ignored.

[B0oN]

Gooooooood .
Let the hate flow through you .

And yes, we mostly/all know the ACH is as broken as the FS, albeit ECM and 5 tons less than the FS make it look even more broken and we all know what that means ^^

[Nauht]

aniviron, on 20 August 2015 - 11:47 PM, said:

Can't wait until this thing comes out for cbills.

Because then it will get nerfed.

This is so true.

[El Bandito]

Juodas Varnas, on 20 August 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

I mean, due to quirks its legs are as tough as a cicada's (if my math isn't completely off), while the size is pretty small for Light mech standards (mostly due to the humanoid shape of the mech), not only that, it has large arms that shield pretty well, especially if you're in a tall mech, you can barely hit the legs if the ACH pilot knows what he's doing.

The Cheater certainly has more leg hitpoints than the Firestarter thanks to quirks, while being smaller in size. The things PGI does in order to get money...

Come next tryhard tournament, we probably will see Cheaters slowly overtake Firestarters in mech selection, should things stand as is.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 August 2015 - 12:20 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

El Bandito, on 21 August 2015 - 12:18 AM, said:

The Cheater certainly has more leg hitpoints than the Firestarter thanks to quirks, while being smaller in size. The things PGI does in order to get money...

Come next tryhard tournament, we probably will see Cheaters slowly overtake Firestarters in mech selection, should things stand as is.

It is going to be hilarious to see teams composed of nothing but Clan mechs.
As far as i recall, the Firestarter was the only IS mech that was consistently used by the "competitive players"

[MechWarrior849305]

Juodas Varnas, on 21 August 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

It is going to be hilarious to see teams composed of nothing but Clan mechs.
As far as i recall, the Firestarter was the only IS mech that was consistently used by the "competitive players"

w8 till LFE comes out in few years ahead

[Kjudoon]

Juodas Varnas, on 21 August 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

It is going to be hilarious to see teams composed of nothing but Clan mechs.
As far as i recall, the Firestarter was the only IS mech that was consistently used by the "competitive players"

What? you don't? Okay okay, those that aren't Clan mechs are ECM Ravens and Firestarters with the rare ECM Cataphract or ECM Griffin.

I rarely see fewer than 6 on any team and yes, they're either meta or near meta.

[El Bandito]

DuoAngel, on 21 August 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

w8 till LFE comes out in few years ahead

1. Few more years of Clan tech dominance? How thrilling.

2. LFE is just a "poor man's Clan XL". Even the popular 300 rating engine will have 6.5 tons of difference in weight savings between Clan XL and LFE. The Clanner can put in additional CLPL for that difference.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 August 2015 - 12:56 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

El Bandito, on 21 August 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

1. Few more years of Clan tech dominance? How thrilling.

2. LFE is just a "poor man's Clan XL". Even the popular 300 rating engine will have 6.5 tons of difference in weight savings between Clan XL and LFE. The Clanner can put in additional CLPL for that difference.

Mhm.
LFE won't affect much in the Clan vs IS department.
All it will do, is make the STD engine obsolete.

[Ano]

FWIW, the thing I've noticed as I've been levelling my ACHs is that when I die, I've almost always lost at least one ST and quite often both arms.

Some of the difficulties *could* be because players are accustomed to popping fast lights (i.e. IS lights) by taking out the XL engine via a ST.

From my perspective (not an especially skilled one), the ACH does seem to allow me to recover from more obvious screw-ups in a match than I could normally get away with.

[Joseph Mallan]

Poisoner, on 20 August 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

Since the ACH came out. Been meaning to post this fact for a few days.

Yup. The New Hotness always kills the old OP.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Its the perfect light.

Fast, packs enough firepower, good boatable hardpoints, ECM, Clan XL, good hitbox profile.

But take away its absurd structure bonuses over its entire body, and its about as good as the FS.

That is the problem, it got overquirked on structure, its easy enough to knock armor off the legs and torso, but once you do, its like its even harder to knock out.

These things take way too much damage to kill for a light.

[Lugh]

Juodas Varnas, on 20 August 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

I stopped having any serious problems with the Firestarters after the HSR patch, some time ago. Extremely easy to focus down and pop one of the side torsos and be done with it.
The same can't be said about the Arctic Cheater. You can't really ST-pop it, and for legging? It's probably the hardest mech to leg in the game. I mean, due to quirks its legs are as tough as a cicada's (if my math isn't completely off), while the size is pretty small for Light mech standards (mostly due to the humanoid shape of the mech), not only that, it has large arms that shield pretty well, especially if you're in a tall mech, you can barely hit the legs if the ACH pilot knows what he's doing.
I could also add that the ACH's animations add to this difficulty to leg, due to how wide the stride is

I don't know.

LONG BURN LASERS FOCUSED ON THE HIPS kill them plenty easy enough...

Juodas Varnas, on 21 August 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

It is going to be hilarious to see teams composed of nothing but Clan mechs.
As far as i recall, the Firestarter was the only IS mech that was consistently used by the "competitive players"

You missed the quirked STK-4ns in the mix on purpose didn't you....

[Koniks]

And on paper it'll probably be obsolete when the Jenner IIC comes out.