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#21 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:29 PM

View PostKira_Onime, on 21 August 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:



Still comes back to the original point, T1 can match against T2 and T3. You are probably still in that bracket.


Is suiciding still bannable? Cause I dont wanna be in this bracket apparently.

#22 Agent 0 Fortune

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:38 PM

I mention in another thread, measuring match score, especially retroactive, will lead to crazy results.
There where plenty of low Elo players who were king of the underhive, ready to advance to the next Elo tier. In this new system, those players rank as high, or higher than the the best top tier players, simply because they were able to put up good match scores in their tier. Keeping in mind that even low tier players can generate high match scores against comparable players.

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 21 August 2015 - 05:40 PM.


#23 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:41 PM

View PostAgent 0 Fortune, on 21 August 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

I mention in another thread, measuring match score, especially retroactive, will lead to crazy results.
There where plenty of low Elo players who were king of the underhive, ready to advance to the next Elo tier. In this new system, those players rank as high, or higher than the the best top tier players, simply because they were able to put up good match scores in their tier. Keeping in mind that even low tier players can generate high match scores against comparable players.


and apparently lrms inflate you beyond your ability -.-

#24 Kira Onime

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:42 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 21 August 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:


and apparently lrms inflate you beyond your ability -.-



LRMs confirmed sleeper OP.

#25 Russ Bullock

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:47 PM

I really doubt they can or would game the tier system it is separated by a lot of points in the upper tiers - they would need to tank really badly on hundreds and hundreds of matches to drop down. Likely were talking about group queue and it's just opening up to the full 2 tier spread - meaning tier 1 vs 3.

Take a screen shot of a match in question and we could check all the tiers in question and make sure it's working as intended.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:17 PM

I should also say that although we pre-seeded the tier system I think it will take a few weeks to settle. I myself am slowly climbing in score towards the next tier. Others may settle into one lower. It certainly needs more than a few days.

#27 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:18 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 21 August 2015 - 05:47 PM, said:

I really doubt they can or would game the tier system it is separated by a lot of points in the upper tiers - they would need to tank really badly on hundreds and hundreds of matches to drop down. Likely were talking about group queue and it's just opening up to the full 2 tier spread - meaning tier 1 vs 3.

Take a screen shot of a match in question and we could check all the tiers in question and make sure it's working as intended.


Ill do that in the future but I dont see how it isnt gamable, you do badly enough it drops you in tiers does it not? So if you went into matches and just did the worst you can for long enough you would then end up in a lower bracket wouldnt you? Ppl apparently do it all the time in other games and do it on alt accounts called smurfs

#28 Hit the Deck

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:20 PM

Russ, is the Tier population normal distributed or shaped like a pyramid (with the base composed of T5 players)?

http://mwomercs.com/...r-distribution/

#29 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:23 PM

I kind of think we need to be able to see what tier we are in that way we can tell whats going on with this thing. I mean if I KNEW I was within striking distance of the top then Id know why Ive been having my ass handed to me for the last ten or so games.

Right now with the way it is where we dont know anything its just a guessing game thats just not fun because we DONT know why we're being fed to the top teams over and over

View PostKira_Onime, on 21 August 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:



LRMs confirmed sleeper OP.


Thats all I generally use so why am I within striking distance of 228 lol

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:46 PM

I know many details I'm interested in concerning PSR will not be disclosed. however one thing I'd like to see is an indicator letting us know after a match is if our PSR has gone up, down or remained the same. some sense of which direction we are headed would help us to know if our game is improving or not.
rather than waiting a week or 2 to see our tier change.
quote- upper tiers separated by a lot of points- tank really badly on hundreds and hundreds of matches.
bloody hell how many tiers are there within each tier- whoops prolly not to be disclosed.

Edited by WazOfOz, 21 August 2015 - 06:56 PM.


#31 Kjudoon

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:52 PM

Now MB not all the members of the 228 are going to be high level. Even good teams have training companies.

I recognize good players from contest leaderboards and competition videos.

#32 IIIuminaughty

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 06:57 PM

You know i haven't seen anyone mention how the tier groupings would work in groups (premades)

#33 Kira Onime

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:21 PM

View PostIIIuminaughty, on 21 August 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

You know i haven't seen anyone mention how the tier groupings would work in groups (premades)



I believe it takes the average group tier and works with that.

#34 Kira Onime

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:30 PM

Sorry 'bout your atlas.

#35 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:31 PM

View PostKira_Onime, on 21 August 2015 - 07:21 PM, said:



I believe it takes the average group tier and works with that.


Be nice if Russ told us XD

View PostKira_Onime, on 21 August 2015 - 08:30 PM, said:

Sorry 'bout your atlas.


lol that game was brutal

TTK for the lose. We saw mechs and had 4 die instantly lol

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 21 August 2015 - 08:31 PM.


#36 Kira Onime

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:32 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 21 August 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:


TTK for the lose. We saw mechs and had 4 die instantly lol



Dat was our heavy/assault lance you found in B4.

#37 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:54 PM

1 228 game... Terrible Therma wonder if itll be another hour of losses

#38 Kira Onime

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:59 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 21 August 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

1 228 game... Terrible Therma wonder if itll be another hour of losses



Oh we just faced them as well... was it the squad with B33f in it?

#39 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:01 PM

yay another 228 game

View PostKira_Onime, on 21 August 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:



Oh we just faced them as well... was it the squad with B33f in it?


didnt see any names I know off hand

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 09:25 PM

View PostRuss Bullock, on 21 August 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

I myself am slowly climbing in score towards the next tier.


You'll be tier 4 in no time buddy!

:ph34r: :P





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