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[Funkin Disher]

I wish my VoIP worked...

[FlipOver]

The guy on a mic isn't to blame.

The team who doesn't use their brains, is to blame!
Also the one who knows he is wrong is to blame for not speaking up!

I mean, if someone random says something, and if I know it's not true I won't follow his instructions. I will also use the mic to show he is wrong.

The blame of what happened is as much of the OP as the guy on the mic and also as the team.



Lemmings will be lemmings unless someone speaks up!

[Vlad Ward]

Kiiyor, on 24 August 2015 - 11:54 PM, said:

You are absolutely correct - but i'll still follow them.

A terrible plan that keeps everyone together is better than the mute herd mentality that permeates most pugs. Even if they are terrible leaders, everyone has to start somewhere. You can't learn from mistakes if you don't make them - and you absolutely can't learn how to lead if no-one follows you.

Like I said, even if they are terrible, i'll follow. Worst case scenario, i'll have some new mistakes committed by others to learn from

Actually, there's a pretty notable exception to that; if they start whining, complaining about the team, insulting people or being a wang-bag in general, my brain switches off immediately and I file any incoming communication from them in that dusky and echoing part of my brain reserved for droning work meetings and whining from my children.

Considering the default behavior in the games I've been in post-PSR has been "Gather together in good location that everyone knows, Find enemy, Shoot Enemy, Repeat Until Dead," pretty much any "plan" an armchair general can come up with will have worse results than saying nothing at all.

There isn't really any danger of people wandering off to every corner of the map, at least that I've noticed. I certainly remember this being an issue with new players and such back in ye olden thyme, and I'll readily admit that armchair commanders are worth their weight in gold dire wolves in low level matches, but that isn't really the case outside of the underhive.

In my experience, if someone has to tell people where to rally, they're trying to get them to go somewhere they don't normally go - typically for good reason.

Going to the same spot every single game may be boring for some people, but there is a reason everyone does it. Maps in MWO are about 90% terrible positions with a few good, well covered fightan' spots thrown in the mix.

[ApolloKaras]

FlipOver, on 25 August 2015 - 12:08 AM, said:

The guy on a mic isn't to blame.

The team who doesn't use their brains, is to blame!
Also the one who knows he is wrong is to blame for not speaking up!

I mean, if someone random says something, and if I know it's not true I won't follow his instructions. I will also use the mic to show he is wrong.

The blame of what happened is as much of the OP as the guy on the mic and also as the team.



Lemmings will be lemmings unless someone speaks up!

Well then why aren't you jumping on the mic to give the initial order.

So quick like the OP to berate someone with a plan, however when someone types in, "Where to?" you all are the last ones to key in.

[meteorol]

In that one CW match i played there was a guys bossing everyone around over VoiP. Guys followed his orders (which were horrible), and after like 17 minutes (game was lost after the first wave) he said "You guys are so bad, learn to play goddamn!"
He said it in a voice like he was about to cry, so incredibly whiny.

The endgame scoreboard showed a whooping 223 damage for him with all 4 mechs used. I loled.

[FlipOver]

Saxie, on 25 August 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

Well then why aren't you jumping on the mic to give the initial order.

So quick like the OP to berate someone with a plan, however when someone types in, "Where to?" you all are the last ones to key in.

Textbook example of judging others without having any clue of who you are speaking to.

Well it's the internet and your ego got a boost, didn't it? Good for you!

[ApolloKaras]

FlipOver, on 25 August 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:

Textbook example of judging others without having any clue of who you are speaking to.

Well it's the internet and your ego got a boost, didn't it? Good for you!

Has nothing to do with ego, why arent you keying in to give the initial order?

[FlipOver]

Saxie, on 25 August 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Has nothing to do with ego, why arent you keying in to give the initial order?

LOL
Really?
I won't even bother to reply to that.
Hope to find you on my team one day.

Have a good one.

[ApolloKaras]

FlipOver, on 25 August 2015 - 12:51 AM, said:

LOL
Really?
I won't even bother to reply to that.
Hope to find you on my team one day.

Have a good one.

Thought so, and what's that "one day supposed to mean?". Lets break down your initial post. You'll jump on if someone says something that you 'know' is wrong and tell them why hes wrong. Now you've effectively divided your team up into two camps. One that follow the initial order, and the other that followed yours...

Aresye said it best a plan is better than no plan.

[Wildstreak]

Queek Head Taker, on 24 August 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I'm sick of people with mics who give advice and it's the worst advice ever. If you suck and you have a mic please don't give your team advice. I turned all my chats off so i don't rage at my teams it really helps. Please Turn your mics off so you don't get your team killed. A guy on mic said they are under us. I knew they weren't. But team went under.. to find nothing... then they ambushed us and finished us off. Stupid guy on mic killed us.

I am sick of people who come to the forums and give 'advice' like this, it's the worst advice ever. If you are too lazy to use the tools you have been given such as the mute feature, please do not play MWO or ask PGI for a feature where you can turn off all chat in Settings.

I turn chat off when someone annoys me on chat, I don't come to the forums to rage about it. Like the guy who started a match talking about how we all have to vote for Bernie Sanders or the guy who spent the whole match trying to discuss what Mech he wanted to buy next and what loadouts people used so those of us trying to work together could not because he clogged up the chat.

Please turn you hearing off or learn to solve your problem some other way before you get your team killed. Or in the specific case you mention, get a mic yourself and tell people why no one was under you. I have had that happen and used the mic to counter the bad advice, I have even on a very few occasions been wrong and someone corrected it. Stop blaming everyone generically for a problem we did not cause.

[Naduk]

Instead of crying about someone who had the wrong information who was trying help his team
You should be using your own mic as offten as possible to keep your team running with correct information
The fault of that loss lays on you because you knew where the enemy was and said nothing
Their deaths are all on your head

[FlipOver]

Saxie, on 25 August 2015 - 12:58 AM, said:

Thought so, and what's that "one day supposed to mean?". Lets break down your initial post. You'll jump on if someone says something that you 'know' is wrong and tell them why hes wrong. Now you've effectively divided your team up into two camps. One that follow the initial order, and the other that followed yours...

Aresye said it best a plan is better than no plan.

I'm usually the first to lay out a plan, usually as a question to see what the team thinks.

The situation described by the OP was not about laying down a plan but giving wrong intel.
Yes, I do speak up (or type it up) when I know they are wrong with the intel (seismic helps as other things).
Doesn't mean I don't follow the team and drag others on another direction.
I'll gladly charge with the team even knowing it's the wrong thing to do, because one more mech is one more target, less changes for the enemy to focus on just one or 2.

What you are doing is, without any knowledge about how others play, judge them the way you interpret things, and as you can see, this was not about laying out plans but wrong intel. Different things.

Hence why I didn't even want to bother to answer you, but here you go, my 3 minutes of attention.

[Sjorpha]

Anyone (as long as they aren't being ****** to other players) stepping up taking command should be encouraged, obeyed and supported so they can practice commanding.

We have too few commanders in this game, we need more. One of the reasons is that you risk being insulted if you try.

If someone tried to coordinate, and you didn't, you are in no position to act superior.

[ApolloKaras]

FlipOver, on 25 August 2015 - 01:11 AM, said:

I'm usually the first to lay out a plan, usually as a question to see what the team thinks.

The situation described by the OP was not about laying down a plan but giving wrong intel.
Yes, I do speak up (or type it up) when I know they are wrong with the intel (seismic helps as other things).
Doesn't mean I don't follow the team and drag others on another direction.
I'll gladly charge with the team even knowing it's the wrong thing to do, because one more mech is one more target, less changes for the enemy to focus on just one or 2.

What you are doing is, without any knowledge about how others play, judge them the way you interpret things, and as you can see, this was not about laying out plans but wrong intel. Different things.

Hence why I didn't even want to bother to answer you, but here you go, my 3 minutes of attention.

The thing is.... You say nothing about 'taking command'. In you and the OPs post jump to whoever takes charge...

Sjorpha, on 25 August 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

Anyone (as long as they aren't being ****** to other players) stepping up taking command should be encouraged, obeyed and supported so they can practice commanding.

We have too few commanders in this game, we need more. One of the reasons is that you risk being insulted if you try.

If someone tried to coordinate, and you didn't, you are in no position to act superior.

This is so true. The only thing that kind of behavior succeeds in, is discouraging that person from taking the time to jump on comm again. I've seen quite a few battles where someone jumps on the guy who chooses to do the DC'ing after the fact, or Immediately after an order was given. Especially if the 2nd order is totally out of the ball park.

Edited by Saxie, 25 August 2015 - 02:46 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Saxie, on 25 August 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

Well then why aren't you jumping on the mic to give the initial order.

So quick like the OP to berate someone with a plan, however when someone types in, "Where to?" you all are the last ones to key in.

Seeing as I am the slowpoke Atlas, I'd rather go where the herd ends up fighting. Also I get tongue tied which is why I never got the PRK-77 in the field.

[KharnZor]

Joseph Mallan, on 25 August 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

Seeing as I am the slowpoke Atlas, I'd rather go where the herd ends up fighting. Also I get tongue tied which is why I never got the PRK-77 in the field.

lol i find that very hard to believe Joe

[Joseph Mallan]

KharnZor, on 25 August 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

lol i find that very hard to believe Joe

I'm not rushed to type like I am trying to call out a grid I'm getting killed in.

[L3mming2]

Queek Head Taker, on 24 August 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I'm sick of people with mics who give advice and it's the worst advice ever. If you suck and you have a mic please don't give your team advice. I turned all my chats off so i don't rage at my teams it really helps. Please Turn your mics off so you don't get your team killed. A guy on mic said they are under us. I knew they weren't. But team went under.. to find nothing... then they ambushed us and finished us off. Stupid guy on mic killed us.

you got a key board, so don't use it!

[FlipOver]

Saxie, on 25 August 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

The thing is.... You say nothing about 'taking command'. In you and the OPs post jump to whoever takes charge...

Doesn't change anything about what I initially said.
He's to blame as much as the team or the pilot giving wrong intel.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

L3mming2, on 25 August 2015 - 03:05 AM, said:

you got a key board, so don't use it!

Qft steering wheel ftw