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[El Bandito]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 August 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

yeah, sorry 24

24 spread damage vs 30-36 pinpoint damage... guess who win

The lasers are gonna spread as well. Especially against a JJ Light that runs at over 150kph, and does not care if his aim is off cause its Streaks will always hit the Cheater, and the shake (especially in chain-fire) will make it hard to shoot back accurately.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

The lasers are gonna spread as well. Especially against a JJ Light that runs at over 150kph, and does not care if his aim is off cause its Streaks will always hit the Cheater, and the shake (especially in chain-fire) will make it hard to shoot back accurately.

well, quirked IS SPL are pretty short duration.

Oh well, I run Mediums....unless they wolf pack me, seems like my AC20 registers just fine on FS9s and ACHs now, so don't figure the walking Phallus will be too hard to core.

[El Bandito]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 August 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

well, quirked IS SPL are pretty short duration.

Oh well, I run Mediums....unless they wolf pack me, seems like my AC20 registers just fine on FS9s and ACHs now, so don't figure the walking Phallus will be too hard to core.

The point of the thread was never about Jenner vs. anything heavier than a Light. If Firestarter-A tries to have a go, its IS XL will probably pop first.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 August 2015 - 10:06 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 26 August 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

except ECM and better yet when the ecm bubble is 90m and then everyone will bring it lol

ecm will be weaker vs streaks when it is 90 meters

anyway jenner has too low podspace to really threat other lights with streaks... adder can run 4 ssrm-6, do you meet them often? kfx can run like 2 ssrm-6 + 2 ssrm-4... what a threat to light mechs, lol; jenny iic cannot run any of those loadout keeping its speed higher than adder/kfx

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

The point of the thread was never about Jenner vs. anything heavier than a Light.

SPL FS9s aren't heavier. Hence the first line.

[El Bandito]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 August 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

ecm will be weaker vs streaks when it is 90 meters

anyway jenner has too low podspace to really threat other lights with streaks... adder can run 4 ssrm-6, do you meet them often? kfx can run like 2 ssrm-6 + 2 ssrm-4... what a threat to light mechs, lol; jenny iic cannot run any of those loadout keeping its speed higher than adder/kfx

Adder and Kitfox are not designed for Streaks in the first place. They are too slow to catch regular Lights. Jenner IIC on the other hand, got it right.

Bishop Steiner, on 26 August 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

SPL FS9s aren't heavier. Hence the first line.

You mean the 132 meter range SPL (including quirk + range module)? Not impressed. We will see when IICs come out, I guess.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 August 2015 - 10:11 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

The lasers are gonna spread as well. Especially against a JJ Light that runs at over 150kph, and does not care if his aim is off cause its Streaks will always hit the Cheater, and the shake (especially in chain-fire) will make it hard to shoot back accurately.

imo you never played a streakboat.... those need a rather long time to get a lock and are scared to lose it... a streakjenny will be forced to stare at cheetah for many seconds while cheetah needs only a part of the second to unload its lasers... into the staring jenny

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Adder and Kitfox are not designed for Streaks in the first place. They are too slow to catch regular Lights. Jenner IIC on the other hand, got it right.

can you even read? jenny will have to be slow to get a similar podspace too... and even that podspace barely makes them scary to lights

streaks need a lot of space to be viable, even summoner barely can be a good streakboat

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Adder and Kitfox are not designed for Streaks in the first place. They are too slow to catch regular Lights. Jenner IIC on the other hand, got it right.




You mean the 132 meter range SPL (including quirk + range module)? Not impressed.

Yeah, cuz streaks have such amazing ranges themselves..... and need lock time, and are easily countered. Thing will be far scarier in GOOD hands with standard SRMs.

[El Bandito]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 August 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

can you even read? jenny will have to be slow to get a similar podspace too... and even that podspace barely makes them scary to lights

What can I say. I'm just gonna save this quote for the time you are proven wrong.

Bishop Steiner, on 26 August 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Yeah, cuz streaks have such amazing ranges themselves..... and need lock time, and are easily countered. Thing will be far scarier in GOOD hands with standard SRMs.

CStreaks have 360 meter range, 396 with range modules. They deal full damage at that range. And since the Firestarter has no ECM, Streaks can lock at that range. Sure, regular SRM with IIC is better in good hands, but CStreaks in an average hand will still beat the Cheater.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 August 2015 - 10:18 AM.

[GreyNovember]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 August 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

imo you never played a streakboat.... those need a rather long time to get a lock and are scared to lose it... a streakjenny will be forced to stare at cheetah for many seconds while cheetah needs only a part of the second to unload its lasers... into the staring jenny

You seem to imply that the Jenner would stay completely, absolutely still, and present it's massive front face to the cheetah straight on at all times.

[Bishop Steiner]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

What can I say. I'm just gonna save this quote for the time you are proven wrong.

just remember that can go BOTH ways. Jenny II should be good. Reports of it's preemptive dominance do seem slightly ....melodramatic, though.

GreyNovember, on 26 August 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

You seem to imply that the Jenner would stay completely, absolutely still, and present it's massive front face to the cheetah straight on at all times.

with no arm reflex to move the arm reticle to the sides....it sort of will have to stare. That's how lock on works.

[bad arcade kitty]

GreyNovember, on 26 August 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

You seem to imply that the Jenner would stay completely, absolutely still, and present it's massive front face to the cheetah straight on at all times.

no... but it will have to whirl it staring while ach can simply run past and turn around etc

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

El Bandito, on 26 August 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Adder and Kitfox are not designed for Streaks in the first place. They are too slow to catch regular Lights. Jenner IIC on the other hand, got it right.

Ought to be interesting the next time they try a omnimech pack after they put clan battlemechs into the game lol

[bad arcade kitty]

really, just play streak kit fox and see how you like that anti-light power... and then remember that streakjenny iic will have like twice as less firepower

[GreyNovember]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 August 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

with no arm reflex to move the arm reticle to the sides....it sort of will have to stare. That's how lock on works.

Sort of, sure.

The lock box zone is usually big enough to let me wiggle around, and at least jump to spread damage though.

The assumption is also that the lock is obtained within CStreak range. It could be acquired from farther away.

[Murphy7]

"Kaitlyn" Jenner IIC will certainly be brutal, but I would not particularly fear it in an Arctic Cheetah, Firestarter, or other 140 kph+ light mechs. For the most part, I think it will come down to who sees who first and maybe the ensuing dogfight is a smaller part of the match up.

I tend to agree with Bishop on this mech in particular - regular SRMs and the skill to use them effectively is a much scarier option than streaks for wide utility, though the Streak boat would be a better dedicated light killer.

ACH isn't that scary against opponents who can aim - particularly with large caliber ballistics as Bishop has already noted.

[GreyNovember]

Something else comes to mind.

IIC Jenner missile arms. given that you CAN fit 2 CLRM20s in an arm.

What is that going to look like...?

[El Bandito]

GreyNovember, on 26 August 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

Something else comes to mind.

IIC Jenner missile arms. given that you CAN fit 2 CLRM20s in an arm.

What is that going to look like...?

Mini Catapult.

Now I am sad. Hope the CPLT re-sizing goes well.

Edited by El Bandito, 26 August 2015 - 10:42 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

GreyNovember, on 26 August 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

Something else comes to mind.

IIC Jenner missile arms. given that you CAN fit 2 CLRM20s in an arm.

What is that going to look like...?

lrm-20 are meh
6 lrm-5 jenner sounds fun though

[MeiSooHaityu]

Murphy7, on 26 August 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

"Kaitlyn" Jenner IIC...

So the IS original is Bruce, right?

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 26 August 2015 - 10:43 AM.