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[MechaBattler]

Evan20k, on 27 August 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

The problem isn't that PGI isn't open to feedback. The problem is that there's a sizable population who still harbor asinine amounts of animosity over what happened 2-3 years ago and make a point of undermining PGI any time they attempt to do anything. Separating the legitimate criticism from the outright vitriol isn't an easy task and that's probably the reason why they don't post often here. I'm betting at least Tina reads some of what happens here though.

Yes. This. ^

I've tried to get other people interested in MWO on mecha forums. And there's always one guy who posts an angry response about how the devs are scum and the game is pay to win. And I always ask how it's pay to win and they say gold mechs. And then I point out they're just colored gold. People jumped on the hate bandwagon without really thinking it through.

I remember what the forums were like before. It was blind rage and resentment. It wasn't unfounded. But the reaction they had was ridiculous and childish. The way they act in other places was even worse. It just became this circle jerk of blind hatred.

I know some people who actually won't come on the forums because of the manchild hatred that was present. They don't believe me that the forums are less volatile.

[RoboPatton]

FlipOver, on 27 August 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

It's just stupid to have to look into another information channel outside the supposedly official one, to get details or info.

I agree OP~ Seems like there is little to zero... okay less than little, involvement in the the "official" forums. Which is a shame. One of things that makes Marvel Heroes such an awesome community is just about every dev is involved in discussions, and interacting with the community about balance etc.

Around these parts I feel like the Devs like the idea that we are in our little microcosm, that they can peek at on occasion, but generally a place to keep us "rabble". Which, honestly, most of you guys are

Twitter (aka Tweeter?) is also a place where Russ can generate some interest about the game from outside the Hardcores. So, I get that. Same with instagram, where you can tag thing ppl may search and find accidentally. IE-- Marketing!

Ultimately I want more direct community involvement, new player outreach, and interaction about subjects concering balance (especially).

I'll just sit here and hold my breath.

hurk*
*hmfk*
*hmmmkf*
*GASP*

[Almond Brown]

Namouche, on 27 August 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

Tweet is a direct channel into someone with decision power. Using it to discuss MWO is unethical toward forum members and a sign of Russ's poor judgment (if he does not say: post it on the forum).

Now using Twitter is "unethical"... OMFG!

Dude, MWO has this "Island" you might want to visit asap. All kinds of "unethical" stuff happens there. LOL

Edited by Almond Brown, 27 August 2015 - 09:28 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Almond Brown, on 27 August 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

And some might say Twitter is all the better for it. j/k

You may be more right than you know. I've been very irritable lately (as is proofed by my latest rage thread). White Knight or no, I imagine I'd be blocked before too long.

[Almond Brown]

cdlord, on 27 August 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

You may be more right than you know. I've been very irritable lately (as is proofed by my latest rage thread). White Knight or no, I imagine I'd be blocked before too long.

And in all honesty, what info is provided on Twitter that really makes any difference. What seems to happen is the Monthly Wrap-ups get disseminated gradually over tweets, then the Forums get the full blown Published version.

What info, of any significant gaming value, has been missed by those who don't do tweeter?

[Crosell]

I've played hearthstone since release the amount of dev posts to MVP posts are greatly skewed. Blizzard devs rarely post on the forums the MVP posters are quite active but they are just glorified posters nothing special

[LORD ORION]

Duno what happened this post was made in a different thread... weee

Sorry

Edited by LORD ORION, 27 August 2015 - 12:43 PM.

[TwentyOne]

we are too mean to pgi on the official forums. They don't like it. Stop been meen.

[Monkey Lover]

MechaBattler, on 27 August 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Yes. This. ^

I've tried to get other people interested in MWO on mecha forums. And there's always one guy who posts an angry response about how the devs are scum and the game is pay to win. And I always ask how it's pay to win and they say gold mechs. And then I point out they're just colored gold. People jumped on the hate bandwagon without really thinking it through.
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When wave 1 clans came out it was pay2win for a long time. I will remember my dire with those short duration lasers and low heat haha. Ruñning 100 alpha builds like it wqs nothingm.Then you had the timber god running around taking on 3 IS mechs at anytime with 1 jj hehe.

This was another issue everyone had with the developer most of us here did a few clan v IS and told them how crazy they were.


To not be 100%/negative this has been improved a lot. I also got to say the weekly events is crazy cool compared to back then.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 27 August 2015 - 10:40 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Almond Brown, on 27 August 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

And in all honesty, what info is provided on Twitter that really makes any difference. What seems to happen is the Monthly Wrap-ups get disseminated gradually over tweets, then the Forums get the full blown Published version.

What info, of any significant gaming value, has been missed by those who don't do tweeter?

I don't think we're missing anything per se. Certainly not hearing it first. I think my issue with it is the perceived lack of attention to the forums. Some of these threads need official responses imho (and no, not all mine).

[TLBFestus]

Evan20k, on 27 August 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

The problem isn't that PGI isn't open to feedback. The problem is that there's a sizable population who still harbor asinine amounts of animosity over what happened 2-3 years ago and make a point of undermining PGI any time they attempt to do anything. Separating the legitimate criticism from the outright vitriol isn't an easy task and that's probably the reason why they don't post often here. I'm betting at least Tina reads some of what happens here though.

Don't forget the other thing;

"Separating the legitimate criticism for the outright brownn0sing, sycophantic, fawning of the terminally deluded is also not an easy task".

Last I checked PGI was run by guys wearing big boy pants and they should be able to ignore both extremes and post important updates and information on the forums. I don't care if they lock the damn posts, they should at least post ANYTHING significant to say here if its worth twittering about.

[1453 R]

To answer your question:

Paul Inouye, on 11 August 2015 - 11:30 AM, said:

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Again... I read the forums daily. I do not have the time to respond to them because that would generally lead to a discussion. If I did this for every post/idea/feedback thread I would have zero time to get my day to day and feature planning tasks done. The forums actually ARE the best place to give feedback/suggestions. The CM (Tina) also collates and highlights all high activity threads for us which are brought up in a weekly production meeting.

I guess this is me asking you not to make the assumption that the forums are a deadzone where feedback goes to die. I use twitter probably once or twice every two weeks. If I'm looking for the heartbeat of a certain topic.. I come here. Not Twitter, not Instagram, not Facebook, not Reddit.... here.. the MWO Forums.

They do come here. Russ prefers to spitball and such on Twitter because every time he comes to the forums he gets fifteen pages of frothing-mouthed bittervets spewing hateful bile and baseless accusations at him. He's the president of the company - he's got work to do, and that work doesn't include being abused by jackasses.

They're listening. But yes - when someone in Piranha just wants to toss out a random informal question, they do it on Twitter. Because doing it here is a counterproductive waste of time, and that's on us, not them.

Blegh.

[CDLord HHGD]

1453 R, on 27 August 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

To answer your question:



They do come here. Russ prefers to spitball and such on Twitter because every time he comes to the forums he gets fifteen pages of frothing-mouthed bittervets spewing hateful bile and baseless accusations at him. He's the president of the company - he's got work to do, and that work doesn't include being abused by jackasses.

They're listening. But yes - when someone in Piranha just wants to toss out a random informal question, they do it on Twitter. Because doing it here is a counterproductive waste of time, and that's on us, not them.

Blegh.

Thank you for posting that. Faith (somewhat) restored.

[Vlad Ward]

Evan20k, on 27 August 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

The problem isn't that PGI isn't open to feedback. The problem is that there's a sizable population who still harbor asinine amounts of animosity over what happened 2-3 years ago and make a point of undermining PGI any time they attempt to do anything. Separating the legitimate criticism from the outright vitriol isn't an easy task and that's probably the reason why they don't post often here. I'm betting at least Tina reads some of what happens here though.

Holy ****. I came in to this thread expecting a lot of crap, but this guy nailed it on post #1.

Hi5, guy. Hi5.

[Namouche]

Almond Brown, on 27 August 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Now using Twitter is "unethical"... OMFG!

Dude, MWO has this "Island" you might want to visit asap. All kinds of "unethical" stuff happens there. LOL

whatever, this is the official place, everything else is fan driven and...unofficial (even if PGI endorses it).
plus, I doubt any other fan drive forum, site, tweet, FB etc has more than 20.000 registered members only under the "P" letter
although there are great fan sites out there, some with tutorials that ashame PGI

[M4rtyr]

TWIAFU, on 27 August 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

Been there, lived through that.

DEVs job is to make the game not posting on the forums. Out of any of the MMO's you have played, you have seen it happen; DEV posts, it is taken as gospel or worse, out of context and used, often, to fuel the angry mob - even taken as a "promise" to do XYZ.

I came from a game where we had a private DEV server. Dedicated players were asked to come and play, test, and give feedback. One on one DEV interaction in-game on this server was the norm and it was good. I spent 10 years of my free time 'working' with these DEVs to help create a wonderful game. One thing I learned was it is easier for DEVs to interact with the population on a smaller scale, forums are crap for meaningful feedback. Look at ours, there is 'proof'.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE DEV talk. Enjoy reading what they are working on, how they fix problems, love details. But the environment we have here is not open to that.

I know exactly what Russ meant with his statement about negativity here, we do it to each other and do it to PGI. We are our own worse enemy in that respect.

I've known of two MMO's that the devs were VERY VERY active in the forums during development and after release. It was/is very enjoyable and didn't get ugly until the production company pushed them into a corner and sort of forced chioces they nor the players enjoyed.

I think you'd find that aside the people that are just plain trolls, and they are easy to spot. Actual direct communication makes things better. They would still get criticized by one group or another, no way you can make everyone happen. But those of us that aren't trolls would love to hear their reasoning for design choices. If I don't like those reasons I would say so and if they are so bad in my opinion then I know I don't have to hang around holding out hope they might do something I like. Or it might be the opposite and finally cause me to put money on the game.

[Tyler Valentine]

FlipOver, on 27 August 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

I had an idea a few days back, then someone pointed me to a tweeter post from Russ somewhat related to the post subject.
Why should anyone have to go to Tweeter to know anything about this game that's not presented on the forums?

Either I'm miss-understanding the whole thing and the actual official MW:O's forums aren't official, or someone has their priorities set a bit off.

Another cool sentence I saw, related to why it's on Tweeter and not the Forums was:
"If players on the forum were more Positive we may get better responses"

That's tough. When I do some work and I present a poorly batched together sample of it, I also would like to not talk to those who criticize me and offer negative feedback.
I'd love to just close my eyes, cover my ears and hope for it to go away...

Funny story:
I actually tried something like that, I was around 5 years old... and found out that it didn't quite work. Learned my lesson and started to listen to critics and build better solutions using that extra information.

So, in short: The community has some users with negative feedback and that's the reason why Tweeter is now the official channel for information?
Why stick around in the forums, then?
Let's just get into Tweeter and smile, favorite and share rainbows and unicorns!

I'd just like to finish this post in a Tweetery positive note by saying "Good job, PGI!" *favorite*

Rant off.

Sorry about this, guys. It's just stupid to have to look into another information channel outside the supposedly official one, to get details or info.

I hate to say it because I love the game and am sincerely grateful to the devs for providing me with beautiful 'mech battles 15+ hours a week but... Russ acts like an insecure 5 year old. I don't think we have much choice (until harebrained's BT game comes out!) but to grin and bear it.

[FlipOver]

Again, same situation. Info leaked out from other source than MWO forums.

I guess we just need to say: "Thank you Tweeter for existing!"

(Not wanting to turn this into a context discussion, just leaving a kind of situation that... well... grinds my gears!)

[Namouche]

FlipOver, on 03 September 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

Again, same situation. Info leaked out from other source than MWO forums.

I guess we just need to say: "Thank you Tweeter for existing!"

(Not wanting to turn this into a context discussion, just leaving a kind of situation that... well... grinds my gears!)

LOL!!!
The amount of disrespect and disregard is just too much.
After all, all the writing and reading is just a waste of time if it's not done on twitter
I think from now on all my posts on this forum will be like "tweet it to russ"

[MechWarrior3671771]

Well to be fair, if I was a dev I couldn't read the forums.

For every valid complaint there are a dozen more griefing entitled spoiled brats.

I would probably backdoor an "auto-destruct troll" code into every mech, to be activated from my console.