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#21 Yellonet

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

View PostCrushLibs, on 29 August 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

forums are better because the game has improved slightly vs the utter mess the game was 6 months ago.

Horrible quirks , maps that needed revamping , broken hover jets , etc etc etc.

As the game improves in a positive direction so will the forums.

That may be so, but perhaps the game will improve even faster and even with good communication with the developer if there would be a positive attitude even if things don't always go as one wants.

I'd go as far as say that a really negative forum population that mostly whine and complain and spew gall on the developer is detrimental to the game getting better.
What developer would want to do something good, or putting in that extra goodness for an audience who is obviously ungrateful ********?
This is certainly why we haven't heard any details about the coming rebalance, because if the developer goes out and says we're gonna do this and this, they will just get hate for it, and if they have to change some things that they said was going to be in, well, they'll get hate for that too. So from their point of view the best thing is to just be quiet.

Gamers get the developer interaction they deserve.

View PostKyocera, on 29 August 2015 - 01:51 PM, said:

Pretty much any game forum is like this when it comes to negativity. The decision to use Reddit/Twitter/Instagram is PGI's decision and, despite better communication through Tina, we still have among the most ignorant game devs I've ever known.

Why do you say that?

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 03:14 PM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 29 August 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

Show me a game's forum that isn't "filled with negativity and hostility" and i'll show you my pet unicorn :rolleyes:


Kerbal space program

Now where's your unicorn?

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 04:06 PM

View PostYellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Well, I've been here a while now, and I have to say that the MWO forums are like most other game forums I've been on, i.e. too often filled with negativity and hostility.

I'm certainly no shining beacon of light when it comes to being a good forumite, but I try to be civil as much as I can, however some people seem to go out of their way to tell people how stupid they are for having a different opinion on something.
Many discussions going on here would never take place face to face, because you just don't behave like that in real life.
If people had a bit more consideration that on the other side is another human just trying to enjoy a game and that for the most part would like to be able to take part in civil and constructive discussions about that game, this would be a much better place.

Recently I started to think about what will become of this place once the steam-release has been realised. What kind of attitude do we want to convey to new players coming here?
If the kind of behaviour with flaming and trolling and just being unkind for no reason is allowed to go on, that's what we'll get, but worse, once the new influx of players happens.
New players will take their attitude from other games such as CS, BF and so on to this game, and believe me, that would not be good.

I want these forums to become a better place, one where people can have mature and proper discussions about MWO without them getting derailed by off-topic stuff, ridicule, flaming or trolling,
If we can manage this together by setting good examples for each other we can make these forums a better place. And when the new players come they will soon get into the atmosphere as well, and their possibly bad attitude from other games will not transfer to these forums.

If these forums do change for the better, maybe we can even get some developer presence here, who knows?

I'm going to work on being a friendlier forumite.
Will you? :)

Edit: It's not just the attitude towards fellow gamers, but the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is absolutely disgusting and completely undeserved.


join date of 2015... chillax cupcake, the forums are tame now.

you should have seen 3pv/coolant gate... space rome was definitely burning at that time...

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 04:57 PM

View PostYellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Well, I've been here a while now, and I have to say that the MWO forums are like most other game forums I've been on, i.e. too often filled with negativity and hostility.


welcome to the internet?

This game is downright passive compared to some Ive played lol Try EVE

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:01 PM

View PostYellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:


Edit: It's not just the attitude towards fellow gamers, but the attitude towards PGI and towards specific developers is absolutely disgusting and completely undeserved.


I checked your profile, I see that you've only been here a month at best, so let me attempt to explain to you why the attitude towards PGI and some specific developers are very, very hostile.

You see, many of us, especially with the tag you see by my name, have been here since the beginning... I personally have been a member of this forum since 2011, and was entered into the closed beta with the second wave of invites [before they borked the system and sent invites to everyone].

Mechwarrior Online was one of the first games that popularized the trend of "Founders packages" and using your playerbase to fund a game that's still in development. As such, many of us felt we had a stake in the game from day one.

Then, things started to change, to sway from the vision that the dev's had pitched us initially, see, all the way back in 2011 even, there were design documents for what MWO was looking to shape into. but during closed beta even, the game started to pull away from those core design pillars.

Then, came wild balance changes that made little to no sense. Then there was the introduction of ECM and how that was handled, then the announcement of adding a 3rd person view when we had flat out been told "We will never add 3rd person to the game" Then consumeables and coolant flush modules when we were told "We will never add coolant to the game."

Then there was the famous "On an Island" quote. Saying that those of us that were rallying against things [like 3rd person view, which had a poll that had 5000 votes against 3rd person being added.] were all alone and not representative of the playerbase in any way.

We've been kicked, lied to, backstabbed, and over all treated like trash over the years.

Then, PGI bucked off the prior publisher IGP... and things have gotten, markedly better. Content is getting added at a fairly regular pace, we finally got Community Warfare after 2.5 years of them teasing us with it. Balance is frankly, in one of the best places it's ever been. and community interaction and events have gone way up.

But, there's still that distrust... PGI and IGP both, kicked their most loyal playerbase in the balls, repeatedly. Mechwarrior fans are a hearty breed, we've seen the loss of the Unseen, and their return due to legal issues, we've seen 10 years without a mechwarrior game until MWO, and dedicated Mechwarrior fans kept it alive by getting the rights to release Mechwarrior 4 Mercs for free... We, the Mechwarrior community, have been through a TON. But NEVER, has the Mechwarrior community been through the absolute abuse that PGI and IGP has put us through.

Yet many of us are still here, we used to joke, in fairly bad taste I'll admit, that we're the battered wives of the Mechwarrior community, we keep hanging on, because frankly, we have nowhere else to go. Hawken doesn't have the same kind of combat, Titanfall was ok but ultimately isn't Battletech/Mechwarrior... There's a universe here too many of us love, and we love it passionately.

And when fans love something passionately, the forums are where they come to vent, to air out the hate and the vitrol, despite our sticking around. Because there are no other Mechwarrior games openly being played... there's no competition, there's no where else for us to go to get or mecha fix that has a similar feel to Mechwarrior...So we stick around.

That, is why there is so much hate and vitrol... because we've been abused, so we push back.

Edited by Flash Frame, 29 August 2015 - 06:08 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:07 PM

View PostFlash Frame, on 29 August 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:


I checked your profile, I see that you've only been here a month at best, so let me attempt to explain to you why the attitude towards PGI and some specific developers are very, very hostile.

You see, many of us, especially with the tag you see by my name, have been here since the beginning... I personally have been a member of this forum since 2011, and was entered into the closed beta with the second wave of invites [before they borked the system and sent invites to everyone].

Mechwarrior Online was one of the first games that popularized the trend of "Founders packages" and using your playerbase to fund a game that's still in development. As such, many of us felt we had a stake in the game from day one.

Then, things started to change, to sway from the vision that the dev's had pitched us initially, see, all the way back in 2011 even, there were design documents for what MWO was looking to shape into. but during closed beta even, the game started to pull away from those core design pillars.

Then, came wild balance changes that made little to no sense. Then there was the introduction of ECM and how that was handled, then the announcement of adding a 3rd person view when we had flat out been told "We will never add 3rd person to the game" Then consumeables and coolant flush modules when we were told "We will never add coolant to the game."

Then there was Paul's famous "On an Island" quote. Saying that those of us that were rallying against things [like 3rd person view, which had a poll that had 5000 votes against 3rd person being added.] were all alone and not representative of the playerbase in any way.

We've been kicked, lied to, backstabbed, and over all treated like trash over the years.

Then, PGI bucked off the prior publisher IGP... and things have gotten, markedly better. Content is getting added at a fairly regular pace, we finally got Community Warfare after 2.5 years of them teasing us with it. Balance is frankly, in one of the best places it's ever been. and community interaction and events have gone way up.

But, there's still that distrust... PGI and IGP both, kicked their most loyal playerbase in the balls, repeatedly. Mechwarrior fans are a hearty breed, we've seen the loss of the Unseen, and their return due to legal issues, we've seen 10 years without a mechwarrior game until MWO, and dedicated Mechwarrior fans kept it alive by getting the rights to release Mechwarrior 4 Mercs for free... We, the Mechwarrior community, have been through a TON. But NEVER, has the Mechwarrior community been through the absolute abuse that PGI and IGP has put us through.

Yet many of us are still here, we used to joke, in fairly bad taste I'll admit, that we're the battered wives of the Mechwarrior community, we keep hanging on, because frankly, we have nowhere else to go. Hawken doesn't have the same kind of combat, Titanfall was ok but ultimately isn't Battletech/Mechwarrior... There's a universe here too many of us love, and we love it passionately.

And when fans love something passionately, the forums are where they come to vent, to air out the hate and the vitrol, despite our sticking around. Because there are no other Mechwarrior games openly being played... there's no competition, there's no where else for us to go to get or mecha fix that has a similar feel to Mechwarrior...So we stick around.

That, is why there is so much hate and vitrol... because we've been abused, so we push back.


"Island" was Bryan Ekman

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:09 PM

View PostMycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 05:07 PM, said:

"Island" was Bryan Ekman


I always confuse the two lol... will edit to reflect.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:15 PM

View PostYellonet, on 29 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Well, I've been here a while now, and I have to say that the MWO forums are like most other game forums I've been on, i.e. too often filled with negativity and hostility.


I used to think the same thing, but then I started frequenting r/mwo.

I think everyone should go there at least once a week, read some comments, and then return. The forums here feel like a spring meadow filled with butterflies and the calming heady scent of Jasmine in comparison.

It's good for a sense of perspective :)

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:18 PM

View Postfat4eyes, on 29 August 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:


Kerbal space program

Now where's your unicorn?


Juodas Varnas, quick! You've just been given permission to post ponies. Do not blow this!

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:22 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 29 August 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:


welcome to the internet?

This game is downright passive compared to some Ive played lol Try EVE

EVE has IRL attacks because people hurt their mining trade or some ****. That games community is ridiculous. I don't doubt the large groups would hire IRL assassins to make their factions stronger, its really that crazy.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:29 PM

View PostTwentyOne, on 29 August 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

EVE has IRL attacks because people hurt their mining trade or some ****. That games community is ridiculous. I don't doubt the large groups would hire IRL assassins to make their factions stronger, its really that crazy.


I heard that the Russian's have actually done so over in Russia... I know that there have been people hired to go out and cut other's net lines during the middle of big ops.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:37 PM

View PostAresye Kerensky, on 29 August 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:


Juodas Varnas, quick! You've just been given permission to post ponies. Do not blow this!


:o



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Posted 29 August 2015 - 05:37 PM

This would make a great copiedpaster to use on other game forums.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 06:02 PM

I have a feeling the OP was not around when they tried to get rid of the General forum. Today's forum is pretty tame imo.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 06:03 PM

The MWO forums are populated almost entirely by 30-50 year old white males with a tenuous connection to reality on a good day.

This means a couple things.

1) While the hatred is way more real/intense, the language is far tamer than pretty much any other gaming population on the planet. The fact that saying "You are bad at this video game" is what passes for verbal abuse here is proof enough of this.

2) People are angry, entitled, and will never forget that one time you promised you'd take the trash out the night before garbage pickup and forgot and you ended up having to overfill the cans on the next pickup.

3) We used to have a decent number of good posters. They got chased off by all the pug knights and underdog heroes. So there's barely anyone with a working understanding of high level play and fundamental non-tabletop game mechanics still posting in GD. This leads to a lot of misconceptions, which generate more hatred/feels, which drives out good posters, etc.

4) Bad/mediocre posters are alarmingly active. Like, "When do you even sleep?" kind of active. These boards move at a blistering pace, and the premise of a very large number of threads is either pure garbage or the same crap someone else posted an hour ago.

This causes a lot of people to shut down and stop caring about typing a well thought out, good faith response to "f ing haker cheeta is runeing the gaem" thread #547. Though this, at least, is fairly normal for video game forums.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 06:05 PM

View PostMycrus, on 29 August 2015 - 05:07 PM, said:

"Island" was Bryan Ekman


The island comment was a tweet from Russ Bullock. His attitude for a couple of years was a big part of the reason there was a lot of toxicity on the forums.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 06:13 PM

View PostCrushLibs, on 29 August 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

forums are better because the game has improved slightly vs the utter mess the game was 6 months ago.

Horrible quirks , maps that needed revamping , broken hover jets , etc etc etc.

As the game improves in a positive direction so will the forums.


I dunno, I was having more fun with the game last June than I am now and the forums haven't changed much except for the notable lack of Vassago these days.

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 07:01 PM

View PostFlash Frame, on 29 August 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:


I heard that the Russian's have actually done so over in Russia... I know that there have been people hired to go out and cut other's net lines during the middle of big ops.


ive heard that more tham once

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 07:06 PM

View PostFlash Frame, on 29 August 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:


I always confuse the two lol... will edit to reflect.

View PostLostdragon, on 29 August 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:


The island comment was a tweet from Russ Bullock. His attitude for a couple of years was a big part of the reason there was a lot of toxicity on the forums.


My bad, it was Russ

http://mwomercs.com/...island-comment/

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Posted 29 August 2015 - 07:10 PM

View PostVlad Ward, on 29 August 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

The MWO forums are populated almost entirely by 30-50 year old white males with a tenuous connection to reality on a good day.

This means a couple things.

1) While the hatred is way more real/intense, the language is far tamer than pretty much any other gaming population on the planet. The fact that saying "You are bad at this video game" is what passes for verbal abuse here is proof enough of this.

2) People are angry, entitled, and will never forget that one time you promised you'd take the trash out the night before garbage pickup and forgot and you ended up having to overfill the cans on the next pickup.

3) We used to have a decent number of good posters. They got chased off by all the pug knights and underdog heroes. So there's barely anyone with a working understanding of high level play and fundamental non-tabletop game mechanics still posting in GD. This leads to a lot of misconceptions, which generate more hatred/feels, which drives out good posters, etc.

4) Bad/mediocre posters are alarmingly active. Like, "When do you even sleep?" kind of active. These boards move at a blistering pace, and the premise of a very large number of threads is either pure garbage or the same crap someone else posted an hour ago.

This causes a lot of people to shut down and stop caring about typing a well thought out, good faith response to "f ing haker cheeta is runeing the gaem" thread #547. Though this, at least, is fairly normal for video game forums.


Name one decent poster that knows about higher level play...





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