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[Cyborne Elemental]

Know what though, if ACH's had good hitreg and took damage as reliably as mechs heavier & slower than it, would be less of a problem.

Between good hitbox distrubution, and lagshields on anything moving faster than 130kph in this game, you add on structure bonuses and quirks that make it even more survivable than most mediums, and that presents a pretty nasty problem.

[Petard]

Show us on the paperdoll where the nasty ACH touched your lurmboat....

[Mycrus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

cause once they get nerfed noone will know hat to do lol

As a light pilot i stay clear of playing these kinds of mechs... it dulls the skillz...

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I welcome our Locust overlords.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mycrus, on 31 August 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

As a light pilot i stay clear of playing these kinds of mechs... it dulls the skillz...

That was actually my point. Nice to see

[Y E O N N E]

Mister D, on 31 August 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Know what though, if ACH's had good hitreg and took damage as reliably as mechs heavier & slower than it, would be less of a problem.

Between good hitbox distrubution, and lagshields on anything moving faster than 130kph in this game, you add on structure bonuses and quirks that make it even more survivable than most mediums, and that presents a pretty nasty problem.

Getting 36 damage in 6 tons that can reach out to just shy of 200 meters is also pretty f*ckin' brutal. Even the IS Small Pulse has zero advantage on it, since the damage-per-tick is identical while total output is cut by a third.

I would love to have Small X-Pulse as partial compensation, so long as they reach past 230 meters in exchange for the heat.

[Kjudoon]

If the ACH gets nerfed players will just go back to the IS firecrutch? Well that is a revealing statement.

[Knight Magus]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

cause once they get nerfed noone will know hat to do lol

The crutch would just be passed on to the firestarter.

[Mystere]

Knight Magus, on 31 August 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

The crutch would just be passed on go back to the firestarter.

FTFY.

[Screech]

DAYLEET, on 31 August 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

What kind of hellish nerf can negate an ECM suit and a Clan XL + a slightly smaller chassis to warrant going back to FS9?

Pretty much.

Also, don't forget that the upcoming changes to ECM and BAP will make ECM light brawlers even more effective. Won't have to worry about giving yourself away as much with a smaller jamming radius. Often had to switch off ECM when you got behind the enemy but not so much after the changes. Will only have to worry about the seismic module.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Ultimatum X, on 31 August 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

You're allowed to call it a crutch when you stop using LRM based builds and actually play lights yourself.

This makes me think of all the guys that ***** about lights tanking damage.

My lights crumble like stale bread when I'm getting shot at. My Cheeto included. Makes me think it's not "lag shield" or any other excuse besides the obvious issues that were adjusted, but that most people can't simply shoot.

All the damage my locusts take goes to CT.
All the damage my Jenners take goes to CT.
All the damage my Ravens take goes to legs or STs.
All the damage my Firestarters take goes to the arms and legs.

If people are hitting me, my lights are dying.

[El Bandito]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

cause once they get nerfed noone will know hat to do lol

They will QQ on the forums, of course!

Ultimatum X, on 31 August 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

You're allowed to call it a crutch when you stop using LRM based builds and actually play lights yourself.

Withe the amount of ECMs pre-event, LRM builds were actually hard-mode.

Edited by El Bandito, 31 August 2015 - 06:47 PM.

[FupDup]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 31 August 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

This makes me think of all the guys that ***** about lights tanking damage.

My lights crumble like stale bread when I'm getting shot at. My Cheeto included. Makes me think it's not "lag shield" or any other excuse besides the obvious issues that were adjusted, but that most people can't simply shoot.

All the damage my locusts take goes to CT.
All the damage my Jenners take goes to CT.
All the damage my Ravens take goes to legs or STs.
All the damage my Firestarters take goes to the arms and legs.

If people are hitting me, my lights are dying.

Miserable Lynx concurs.

[Lightfoot]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

cause once they get nerfed noone will know hat to do lol

I know what to do.

Did you ever play MechWarrior 3? The Lights there were all pretty good laser mechs and Flamers actually blew the engines of targets. Flamer Owens was a favorite. Poor fat Daishi.

[Lugh]

cdlord, on 31 August 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Mine was a struggle. I finally settles on small lasers and mastered it as fast as I could Now it sits in my clan garage and it'll stay there except for special occasions.

I love mine. I don't particularly care for lights. This one is good. I don't own firestarters. Didn't own a raven until AFTER they had most of the wrong hitbox stuff fixed, mildly enjoyed the Jenner, but Mediums and Fast Heavies are my true love.

IF it gets 'nerfed' and it shouldn't (as it's fine and very killable by anyone with aim) then they become second tier immediately and will only be used by people that like LL Ravens.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

El Bandito, on 31 August 2015 - 06:45 PM, said:

They will QQ on the forums, of course!



Withe the amount of ECMs pre-event, LRM builds were actually hard-mode.

are not were lol

[Naduk]

If only it was an issue with pilots and poor accuracy
I have seen many unbelievable things regarding the ach
Iv was in one game on crimson where and ach was in the middle of the tunnel when it arrived there it only had armour on 1leg and its arms and back
It just killed me so i got a very good look at its armour , i called his position and was imediately being shot at by three assault mechs
It practically just stood there, the closest mech was a zeus with 4SRMA4 that unloaded 5vollys into the ach's chest (keep in mind it had no front armour) and it took them all, a follow up from the near by kingcrab with LBX20 (2xlb10) finished it off
So even if you assumed a 40% strike rate from each of the 3assualt mechs then that should still of been enough damage to end its existence about 30times
It was no traveling more than 10-20kph and had nowhere to go
What i saw was just not possible, the ARMD players on my team colorfully expressed their shared view of my assessment
There was many dead at the time so many people saw it

[FupDup]

I was able to successfully rear-core a shutdown ACH with one salvo of 1 ERLL + 3 ERSL on my Mist Lynx earlier today...

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 31 August 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

Miserable Lynx concurs.

Misty-eyed Lynx?

Anything but "Myth Lynx," which is quite possibly the worst nick-name to have ever gained traction in this game...

[EmeraldSongbird]

It seems like people already don't know what to do. Most ACH I fight are some of the worst shots and most reckless pilots I've ever seen. You think your BS hitboxes can save you from 12 people all trying to kill you at once? NO! You really think you can light brawl with Doobles? THINK AGAIN!

Literally, I think all the horrible Mist Lynx players bumped up to the Mist Lynx 2, thinking the same tactis would work if their mech was a little better. They don't, and this light does not scare me one bit when I see it.