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[Tapdancing Kerensky]

Remember folks: if a light mech takes you down in an assault or heavy mech your e-manhood shrinks by a millimeter.
Must be why so many people take these pesky upstart lights so personally.

They're easy kills to me so I'm pretty sure it's a user-keyboard problem.

[Brizna]

Doobles, on 31 August 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

Literally, I think all the horrible Mist Lynx players bumped up to the Mist Lynx 2, thinking the same tactis would work if their mech was a little better. They don't, and this light does not scare me one bit when I see it.

I totally fail to see the logic behind that statement. ACH is an OP mech and MLX is one of the most underwhelming mechs out there, people who pilot them regularly certainly aren't looking at what's the most OP ride they can get.

People who fail at Mist Lynx aren't necessarily fail pilots, the mech itself contributes a lot to the failing part. You really need to be very self aware of your situation on the feeding chain to start racking up some good matches by being an imaginative, opportunistic, cheap *******. No tactic is too low for you, since you are the lowest to begin with

ACH, well just have some common sense other than that when in doubt push ahead, nope it doesn't look like MLX at all.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Eh, take away the structure quirks and it'll be fine IMO. Then wait a few weeks for everyone to realize they aren't invincible and everything will be reasonably ok.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

cause once they get nerfed noone will know hat to do lol

No they will complain that it was Nerfed. Buddah You've been around long enough to know how that works!

[Nightshade24]

Dakota1000, on 31 August 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

To be honest I don't know what to do with it even now. I'm mostly an assault and heavy pilot, not quite sure what to do with the ACH most of the time. It also seems whenever I battle another light mech with it I die horribly. It is pretty good at ripping up dire wolves though.

that goes with all light mechs.

[Tapdancing Kerensky]

If you don't know how to deal with light mechs try mastering a couple different light chassis. You'll quickly learn the tricks of the trade and know exactly what to expect and how to deal with them in your heavies.

Take special note of what type of mechs are Bad News for lights. Those are the mechs you go light hunting in.

If it worked for me it'll definitely work for you.

[Nightshade24]

DAYLEET, on 31 August 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

What kind of hellish nerf can negate an ECM suit and a Clan XL + a slightly smaller chassis to warrant going back to FS9?

CEO of the balance department.

Arctic cheetah road map for octo-durrrrr!

ACH now has 30% range nerf
all energy weapons produce 50% more heat
all energy weapons increase 50% cool down
Flamer heat reduction by 30%
small pulse laser +1.5 tons each
Lowered armour cap to 15 for legs, head, and right torso
left torso gets structure reduction instead of armour
10% less effective jumpjets
all flamers are hardwired
Right and Left torso are hardwired
20% reduction in torso max angle and speed if you carry more then negative 1 energy weapons.
AMS has 20% increased miss chance.
Tag does 0.1% less damage
5% increase missile spread
5% SRM 6 spread
20% lower velocity for SSRM's

Now, we have heard that apparently some people are whinning about the firestarter also being OP,I do not know because I personally programed the forums to mute anyone who has a clan faction or is a lone wolf. so here comes the massive ballance change!

Firestarter A gets it's small pulse laser range reduced from 5.00% to 4.90%
now guys we know this is a massive balance change and we made sure not to kill the mech so we gave it a energy heat quirk general go from 7.50% to 20% and we also increased each leg armour by 5%. I think this is a suitable nerf for the Firestarter.








Jokes aside, most ballance batches between a contemporary IS and Clan mech often goes this.
Clans = heavy blanket nerfs for multiple mechs and especially heavier about the one that's QQ'ed the most
IS counterpart = insignificant nerf with x2 in terms of other buffs as counter balance.

I still love how the Timberwolf blanket nerf also nerfed tag lasers and flamers...

[Nightshade24]

back to the OP:

Yep, I would not know what kind of hat to wear when the arctic cheetah gets nerfed, however I feel it may be a top hat with a red ribbon just for extra precaution.
(jokes aside making fun of the fact he said hat instead of what)

I love how the arctic cheetah only looks OP because half of the 35 tonners are not made as a in your face DPS mech and all 30 tonners and under are most often scouts, anti infantry, spotters, etc.

Looking at a mech like the Osiris- near 3060 30 ton IS mech that has 5 ER medium lasers, a machine gun, and a SRM 6 with jumpjets. I look at it and think that thing is probably on par with the ACH if it gets added into MW: O - even if they nerf the IS ER medium laser for that build into a standard medium laser mech.

because now we got 2 30 tonners of different tech base for different.

Also the main reason is people is doing an unfair comparison between the 2 mechs.

For isntance instead of PURE 8 small pulse vs 6 c small pulse. you can compare it to this [url=http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=138&l=5f94183809b71cfd0a81bdac6cf13531b443a4e9]FS9-S[url] (before you rage- smurfy doesn't do quirks. do check HEAT EFFICIENCY and such- lower 1 medium pulse laser on the weapon lab down to 0% and another to 80%, this simulates the 20% heat reduction for medium lasers on this mech. it's much better over the ACH with same alpha strike and MORE range)

Advantages with this firestarter build over ACH
same firepower
same speed
less JJ (expected for a heavier mech but this time it isn't even maxed)
more range
simular DPS (slightly less but DPS but way better damage till it overheats, which with modules for the medium pulse fire rate could make this thing a monster)
better HPS
way more armour
CT weapons

This is just a few, in this case the ACH only has a few advantages

better DPS
better leg structure (which isn't as good as armour- much more obvious when you get fall damage)
higher JJ
ECM capabilities.
Clan XL (in terms of the fact it can survive after lossing it but I have never seen an ACH do good without a ST- they are worse with heat and can't jump as high and may have lost there ECM. I do not really think clan XL's help lights at all but I may withhold that statement until the clan battlemechs come out)

That's it....

Not as bad and scary as you saw before? You could also reduce the firestarter build JJ and even HS to basicly get duel AMS running- which still gives better heat management over the arctic cheetah as well as have a 'superior' ECM, because AMS also works towards normal SRM's and NARC (if you're lucky) as well as cover friendlies and have more range of effectiveness- and no enemy can counter your AMS!

[Spr1ggan]

This community lol. Anything that is good is a crutch and anything that is **** is A ok and totally legit.

Funny thing is it doesn't matter how good the mech is, they could remove the ACH and FS9 from the game. And the forums would go back to calling the Jenner a crutch.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 01 September 2015 - 04:29 AM.

[spectralthundr]

Spr1ggan, on 01 September 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:

This community lol. Anything that is good is a crutch and anything that is **** is A ok and totally legit.

Funny thing is it doesn't matter how good the mech is, they could remove the ACH and FS9 from the game. And the forums would go back to calling the Jenner a crutch.

I don't ever remember the jenner being a crutch. I heard someone in regards to the AC on a youtube say it best. "I teleport through time mother f*****s"

[Spr1ggan]

spectralthundr, on 01 September 2015 - 04:37 AM, said:

I don't ever remember the jenner being a crutch. I heard someone in regards to the AC on a youtube say it best. "I teleport through time mother f*****s"

Haha flux capacitor online.

Back when i started playing MWO, assault and heavy pilots used to rage about Jenners and call them crutches in game. I used to be one of the assault and heavy pilots that raged about lights then i tried playing them and it wasn't as easy as i thought.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 01 September 2015 - 04:50 AM.

[Dino Might]

Mycrus, on 31 August 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

As a light pilot i stay clear of playing these kinds of mechs... it dulls the skillz...

That's why my ACHs come out only on dark and stormy nights when I feel like some jackassery. When I first started playing them, I noticed myself getting really lazy and doing things like facetanking enemy heavies simply because I could.

[Dino Might]

Doobles, on 31 August 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

It seems like people already don't know what to do. Most ACH I fight are some of the worst shots and most reckless pilots I've ever seen. You think your BS hitboxes can save you from 12 people all trying to kill you at once? NO! You really think you can light brawl with Doobles? THINK AGAIN!

Literally, I think all the horrible Mist Lynx players bumped up to the Mist Lynx 2, thinking the same tactis would work if their mech was a little better. They don't, and this light does not scare me one bit when I see it.

Sounds like you need a PSR bump...

[MechWarrior3671771]

I find it interesting that so many pilots claiming the Cheetah is not out of balance have said that if it gets nerfed, they will simply go back to the Firestarter.

[Lugh]

Fenrisulvyn, on 01 September 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

I find it interesting that so many pilots claiming the Cheetah is not out of balance have said that if it gets nerfed, they will simply go back to the Firestarter.

Because it's as good if not better in terms of firepower.

[Mystere]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 01 September 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:

Eh, take away the structure quirks and it'll be fine IMO. Then wait a few weeks for everyone to realize they aren't invincible and everything will be reasonably ok.

Why even bother to do so? Just to satisfy those crying out for blood, especially those trying desperately to protect their position on the food chain?

Edited by Mystere, 02 September 2015 - 07:32 PM.

[Rhaythe]

Fenrisulvyn, on 01 September 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

I find it interesting that so many pilots claiming the Cheetah is not out of balance have said that if it gets nerfed, they will simply go back to the Firestarter.

[NEWSFLASH] MWO light 'mech pilots choose BattleMechs that give them the highest likelihood of success! Timber Wolf pilots everywhere outraged. Film at 2300.

[FupDup]

Rhaythe, on 01 September 2015 - 07:09 AM, said:

[NEWSFLASH] MWO light 'mech pilots choose BattleMechs that give them the highest likelihood of success! Timber Wolf pilots everywhere outraged. Film at 2300.

Fixed.

[Mystere]

Spr1ggan, on 01 September 2015 - 04:28 AM, said:

This community lol. Anything that is good is a crutch and anything that is **** is A ok and totally legit.

Funny thing is it doesn't matter how good the mech is, they could remove the ACH and FS9 from the game. And the forums would go back to calling the Jenner a crutch.

He! He! He!

There is a post somewhere here on the forums asking me to stay in my Founder's Jenner ... as if that would save him from me. LOL.

Edited by Mystere, 01 September 2015 - 08:44 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Because it's as good if not better in terms of firepower."

And still has hitreg issues.

I think its just trading one crutch for another. Funny how, after the last HSR pass, I stopped seeing Firestarters in my matches... even though their firepower was untouched.