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[Summon3r]

I just picked up the EXE (love the mech) and I find the JJ's to be very lack luster for a mech that is supposed to be a good mobile/jumping mech.

i havent played a jumpie assault probably since the clans dropped, does anyone else think a little more thrust is needed (quicker to get into the air)

[Yosharian]

Summon3r, on 04 September 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

I just picked up the EXE (love the mech) and I find the JJ's to be very lack luster for a mech that is supposed to be a good mobile/jumping mech.

i havent played a jumpie assault probably since the clans dropped, does anyone else think a little more thrust is needed (quicker to get into the air)

Here, let me save you some time:

The Executioner is fine, maybe you need to learn to play.

I can jump into special spots with my Executioner, therefore it's fine.

Not all mechs are supposed to be OP, stop whining.

That's how it is in tabletop. Scrub.

The Executioner is unimportant, let's talk about the recent Timberwolf nerfs instead because that's the mech I play.

Do you want the game to return to the POPTART META? I was there and it was awful. Executioner is fine!

Assaults are not supposed to jump like other mechs. Working as intended.

Jumpjets were recently buffed therefore your argument is invalid.

Paul said Assault Jumpjets are fine so they're fine.

Edited by Yosharian, 04 September 2015 - 03:11 PM.

[Khobai]

Class I jumpjets need more thrust and less fuel.

They still feel too much like hoverjets. Theres not enough "jump" in them.

[Hit the Deck]

Summon3r, on 04 September 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

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i havent played a jumpie assault probably since the clans dropped, does anyone else think a little more thrust is needed (quicker to get into the air)

Yes, I do think that jumps should be performed more forcefully but unfortunately PGI doesn't share the same thought.

The 4 JJs on the EXE can get you to some pretty high places just like Yosharin said if it could be of any consolation.

[0bsidion]

Summon3r, on 04 September 2015 - 07:26 AM, said:

I just picked up the EXE (love the mech) and I find the JJ's to be very lack luster for a mech that is supposed to be a good mobile/jumping mech.

i havent played a jumpie assault probably since the clans dropped, does anyone else think a little more thrust is needed (quicker to get into the air)

Well, you aren't alone. There's more than one person that thinks JJs weren't nerfed correctly in the attempt to combat poptarting. I can't entirely disagree, though lights and mediums are in a better place than they were, assaults' JJs are still kinda underwhelming.

Considering the amount of tonnage it takes to mount the bloody things on an assault, they could probably use some beefing up. Right now, I can barely get the EXE on top of small structures before running out of juice.

[Lily from animove]

Khobai, on 04 September 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Class I jumpjets need more thrust and less fuel.

They still feel too much like hoverjets. Theres not enough "jump" in them.

like

https://youtu.be/UsKSjKrIEq8?t=2m29s

Edited by Lily from animove, 04 September 2015 - 07:50 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 04 September 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

Class I jumpjets need more thrust.

They still feel too much like hoverjets. Theres not enough "jump" in them.

FTFY

[LordBraxton]

I love the EXE, but I think the whole community can agree that JJs need a buff on almost every mech. Shadow cat is the only mech that jumps. Everyone else hovers.

[Gas Guzzler]

They basically made it so you need 6+ jump jets to actually jump. Unfortunately most heavies and assaults are limited to 4 or less.

[Khobai]

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They basically made it so you need 6+ jump jets to actually jump. Unfortunately most heavies and assaults are limited to 4 or less.

Right but assaults shouldnt jump as well as other weight classes.

Hence why the tradeoff for having more thrust should be less fuel. Make it so Assaults can jump as well as other weight classes but in much shorter bursts.

[Gas Guzzler]

Why not? Their jump jets are four times heavier (more powerful) than the Jump Jets on mediums. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to jumpat least close to as well in this 31st century science fiction universe.

[Hit the Deck]

Khobai, on 04 September 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

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Hence why the tradeoff for having more thrust should be less fuel. Make it so Assaults can jump as well as other weight classes but in much shorter bursts.

Paul has done exactly this on the last Class I JJ adjustment. How much more do you wanna go?

[Yosharian]

Hit the Deck, on 04 September 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

just like Yosharin said

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Wow.

[Hit the Deck]

Yosharian, on 04 September 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

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Wow.

Sorry I spelled your name wrong.

[Lily from animove]

Khobai, on 04 September 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Right but assaults shouldnt jump as well as other weight classes.

Hence why the tradeoff for having more thrust should be less fuel. Make it so Assaults can jump as well as other weight classes but in much shorter bursts.

they always, in the lore, tlak about using JJ's to pass rough teerrain. Makign the assaults jump up fast and funny, brings the poptarting back. which actually was not much of a good gamesytle in terms of mech combats. However if JJ's would have a Jumps quickly to a height X and then keeps hovering + some forward push past max speed. Assoults could use JJ's to quickly get up specific lower obstacles, and alos to use JJ's as a temporarly forward dedicatd mobility boost. But the Way how thy work currently is truly like starting a spaceshuttle. But in MWO we speak of 100t not 2.000

Edited by Lily from animove, 04 September 2015 - 08:21 AM.

[Yosharian]

Hit the Deck, on 04 September 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

Sorry I spelled your name wrong.

That wasn't my point...

[Mister Blastman]

My Highlander is crying.

"OH please, mistah balance man! Please give me my jumpy jumpy back!"

[Khobai]

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Paul has done exactly this on the last Class I JJ adjustment. How much more do you wanna go?

Until it feels right?

They still feel like hoverjets not jumpjets.

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Makign the assaults jump up fast and funny, brings the poptarting back.

With nerfed PPC velocity and Gauss chargeup? Even with buffed assault jumpjets, Poptarting isnt really going to be a significant threat compared to laser vomit builds.

What made poptarting devastating was when all the weapons had similar projectile velocity stats and they all hit the same location simultaneously for 40+ damage. That doesnt exist anymore.

And if it really is a problem the simple fix is to make the reticle shake for 5-10 seconds after jumpjets are disabled, so the reticle still shakes while youre falling.

The point is assault jumpjets shouldnt be punished because of something that isnt really a problem and can be easily fixed if it becomes a problem.

Edited by Khobai, 04 September 2015 - 11:00 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Khobai, on 04 September 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

Until it feels right?

They still feel like hoverjets not jumpjets.

Whats wrong with increasing thrust and leaving fuel where it is?

[ApolloKaras]

You can pop in it, however you are only shooting the torso mounted weapons, you cant get high enough to clear the knuckle dragging arms.