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[Yanlowen Cage]

Started a new account for fun. dropped into my third match in a trial raven. other side and mine as well were a mix of veteran player with fully tricked out mechs. now this is a new account and my psr should be fairly low. but instead i am facing that... what gives? Not complaining. still won out the match and one of two survivors from our win. but seriously why is it matching a perceived rookie account up against such seasoned opponent? I knew some of the names amd they are fairly good players. sorry for the poor grammar . doing post on a phone.

[Kira Onime]

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Started a new account for fun. dropped into my third match in a trial raven. other side and mine as well were a mix of veteran player with fully tricked out mechs. now this is a new account and my psr should be fairly low. but instead i am facing that... what gives? Not complaining. still won out the match and one of two survivors from our win. but seriously why is it matching a perceived rookie account up against such seasoned opponent? I knew some of the names amd they are fairly good players. sorry for the poor grammar . doing post on a phone.

New players are said to be dropped into T4 which opens them up to T5-4-3-2.

[Bilbo]

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Started a new account for fun. dropped into my third match in a trial raven. other side and mine as well were a mix of veteran player with fully tricked out mechs. now this is a new account and my psr should be fairly low. but instead i am facing that... what gives? Not complaining. still won out the match and one of two survivors from our win. but seriously why is it matching a perceived rookie account up against such seasoned opponent? I knew some of the names amd they are fairly good players. sorry for the poor grammar . doing post on a phone.

The only people the specifically stated new players wouldn't see are tier 1. New guys are in tier4, they are likely to see mostly tiers 3,4, and 5 regularly.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

I think there should be some "safe" period for new accounts, where they cannot meet higher then 4 or 5.
just saying.

[Kjudoon]

Titannium, on 04 September 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

I think there should be some "safe" period for new accounts, where they cannot meet higher then 4 or 5.
just saying.

Then new players should be Tier 5. I'm for that. How can you suck worse than a person who's never played the game and is in a trial mech unless you're deliberately being bad. Anyone good or creating an alt will quickly rise out.

Of course, this is why they need to lock the tiers... but the population is so small, they can't.

[Yosharian]

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

still won out the match

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

still won out the match

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

still won out the match

Yanlowen Cage, on 04 September 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

still won out the match

[Lily from animove]

I think facing T2 is just not a good idea to put v newbies.

[patataman]

It doesn't make sense, throwing newbies to the meat grinder. At some point the newbies will have to face veterans, but they should have a reasonable margin to learn how to play the game. In the 3rd match, it should be 100% newbie vs newbie action.

[Tyler Valentine]

Kira_Onime, on 04 September 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

New players are said to be dropped into T4 which opens them up to T5-4-3-2.

...and unfortunately, due to the current player base, the new guy will have to play against all of them. In a perfect world we would have enough players to allow T4 to only play T4, T3 to only play T3, etc... with the occasional 'release valve' being opened to allow a few T3s into a 4 game, or vice versa, when populations were low. With our current number of players though, the release valve opens immediately and stays open util 4s 3s and 2s are all mixed together.

[Lily from animove]

maybe newbies should go T5 and T2 restricted to meet T2's

[Kjudoon]

patataman, on 04 September 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

It doesn't make sense, throwing newbies to the meat grinder. At some point the newbies will have to face veterans, but they should have a reasonable margin to learn how to play the game. In the 3rd match, it should be 100% newbie vs newbie action.

And right now they're not getting that. I would like to know what kind of skill difference is considered large by PGI. I mean in the solo queue, they talk about a 193 point average differential in matches, but don't tell us how big a tier is for comparison, or what the value of a single point let alone a hundred means.

Lily from animove, on 04 September 2015 - 10:57 AM, said:

maybe newbies should go T5 and T2 restricted to meet T2's

That's why I started the phrase "Lock the Tiers".

[1453 R]

Plays game.

Wins game.

Complains about matchmaking and unfair games.

...*** this place, man. Just...*** this place.

[Lily from animove]

1453 R, on 04 September 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Plays game.

Wins game.

Complains about matchmaking and unfair games.

...*** this place, man. Just...*** this place.

Well, he won because he was not a REAL newbie, instead a veteran in disguise. I doubt if he would have been a real newbie he would ahve won. and if he ould have won, he porbably would not ahve performed well or had some fun.

We won, I doubt Wirriam would consider this matchup as fair (because he is a REAL NEWBIE) and all his games looked like thet when playing with me. It literally never made any sense to play together for me with my real friends when trying to introduce them to MWO:



that was pre PSR, but with T2 being open to the bottom I doubt the experience would differ today for him.

Edited by Lily from animove, 04 September 2015 - 11:13 AM.

[patataman]

To the guys claiming that he won:
Both teams had veterans. Yanlowen must have been selected by the MM as a rookie, but he wasn't. Now imagine if Yanlowen were a legit rookie, in his 3rd game, still trying to figure out how things work, how do i target, what mech should i use, etc...

The issue is matching a new player that has been playing the game for 20? minutes vs veterans that have been playing for years.

[Jman5]

New players are initially placed in high Tier 4 in part to fast track people like yourself who create smurf accounts. Real beginners wont move up and just slide downward with every loss.

Anyway just because someone has custom mechs and has been playing a long time, doesn't mean they're any good. Many players aren't interested in going beyond very casual so they plateau at low skill ceilings. I've been bowling all my life, but I'm still awful at it.

[cSand]

Just gonna throw this out there

My buddy did the same thing, made a new account just to see how it would go, and got matched with the same high level folks as his usual acct, except now he was riding his trial mechs.

Guess what?

He still cleaned up - in trial mechs.

NPE aside, what does that tell you?

Edited by cSand, 04 September 2015 - 11:20 AM.

[Bilbo]

cSand, on 04 September 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Just gonna throw this out there

My buddy did the same thing, made a new account just to see how it would go, and got matched with the same high level folks as his usual acct, except now he was riding his trial mechs.

Guess what?

He still cleaned up - in trial mechs.

NPE aside, what does that tell you?

Tells me most players are middle of the road. Not really surprising.

[cSand]

Bilbo, on 04 September 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Tells me most players are middle of the road. Not really surprising.

A we have always been saying it's not the mech it's the person behind the steeringwheel controls

Edited by cSand, 04 September 2015 - 11:26 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Bilbo, on 04 September 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Tells me most players are middle of the road. Not really surprising.

you mean the average human is average?

cSand, on 04 September 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

A we have always been saying it's not the mech it's the person behind the steeringwheel controls

there is still a reason why some mechs are rather exclusively chosen by specific upper rank gamers. Mechbalance is not that good, but many mechs are not as bad or OP as the average player describes. But of course vs a upper rank gamer in the metamech there is not much fo a chance for a average gamer in his average mech of love.

[Kjudoon]

It's why I wish that the battle value would be used as a multiplier for PSR.