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[Llymrel]

I have played this game since official launch and went through all the spider is broken stuff. While it had some hit registration issues, it wasn't that big of a deal. Are some of the mechs gimped by size ratios, arm heights, etc. while others have advantages...of couse. The ARC is the first mech I've seen that is seriously flawed. I play both IS and Clan mechs, so I'm not Clan bashing. I think the game overall is pretty well balanced and look forward to the tweaks PGI keeps making.

ARC is the first mech I've seen where erppc shots literally fire through the mech. Yes I know that probably means it actually passed through the arm gap. I saw multiple ERPPCs go through a convergence point on the mech and hit objects close to and behind the mech with no damage. Sure, at point blank range you can register hits, or with lasers dance across the hit zones. Something isn't right between the visuals, the gaps, and the hit registries on the ARC. The legs get clipped just fine which is how I usually kill them. The torso's are broken.

To other people's point, no other light mech is so heavily used in the 1x1 arenas for a reason. I don't blame the people who paid for it using the mech. Just please fix the hit registration issues PGI.

How many more complaint threads are needed to realize this mech needs an immediate patch? While I'd rather my summoners get a perk boost, or other fun things, this is a more serious mech bug.

For all the ARC pilots who want to pile on that nothing is wrong...right. I think we have all seen enough matches to realize ARCs only die after you leg them while other lights see variation.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Spiders didn't hit for 36 damage every 3 seconds either, even if they had bad hitreg they weren't chopping off arms and legs in a couple shots either.

Nor did it have twice much structure as it had armor.

[Yellonet]

They are going to rebalance it in 2 days. But we don't know what they will actually change.

[Kodyn]

While I agree they're annoying as all hell, and I initially thought them broken in some way, I asked for someone to do a test with a live Cheetah in testing grounds, which then happened.

I've seen the vid, and while the ACH does have extremely efficient and tight hitboxes, it's legit. It's just a combination of those very good hitboxes, clan XL, and the speed of the mech.

They're already going to be dialing them down, I think just quirks for now, but what else can we expect? Take a FS, slap ECM on it, and give it clan tech, and you have an ACH. The FS is easier to kill because it's not a clan XL, but that's clan tech. It's just better, and that's how MWO is.

If you shrunk down a SCR to 35 tons and gave it ECM and JJ, and the same speed, it'd be just as hard or harder to kill, with it's hitboxes. Clan mechs, by and large, are extremely durable. Add speed and JJ to that durability, throw in questionable server quality, FPS spikes, lag spikes, and the game's HSR/Hitreg overall, and it makes perfect sense.

Is it fun to face them? No, not at all. What's PGI to do, never let the clans have a fast light that's actually built decently?

Other mechs will come out, hopefully giving pilots on both sides more competitive options to choose from, and then perhaps we'll see less Cheetahs.

Until then, as with any clan mech you're having a difficult time with, and any light in general: go for the legs.


EDIT: If someone actually has a link to that video, the one Mcgral did, that might be helpful to post. I can't remember where I last saw it posted.

Edited by Kodyn, 05 September 2015 - 03:16 PM.

[Livewyr]

Oh noes... Clans have a Firestarter!

Time to complain and nerf it, can't risk the clans having a light mech that competes with the firestarter.

[Mcgral18]

Kodyn, on 05 September 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

EDIT: If someone actually has a link to that video, the one Mcgral did, that might be helpful to post. I can't remember where I last saw it posted.

[Kira Onime]

Llymrel, on 05 September 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

How many more complaint threads are needed to realize this mech needs an immediate patch? While I'd rather my summoners get a perk boost, or other fun things, this is a more serious mech bug.

You complain allot and you complain for the wrong reasons.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"can't risk the clans having a light mech that competes with the firestarter."

Not really a valid defense - no one cares about Clan-IS balance.

And even if they did, "bobby has an exploit so I should to!" is not the right attitude.

[SaltBeef]

That Vid id LOL you mean if I aim for the mech I will hit it, it I aim for the dirt I hit that too,....You dont say!!

[Livewyr]

Fenrisulvyn, on 05 September 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

"can't risk the clans having a light mech that competes with the firestarter."

Not really a valid defense - no one cares about Clan-IS balance.

And even if they did, "bobby has an exploit so I should to!" is not the right attitude.

Guessing you don't play Community Warfare...

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Guessing you don't play Community Warfare... "

Exactly. Like most people here. So making it a CW balance issue is disingenuous. No one cares about CW.

[Kodyn]

Fenrisulvyn, on 05 September 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

"Guessing you don't play Community Warfare... "

Exactly. Like most people here. So making it a CW balance issue is disingenuous. No one cares about CW.

Not true at all. Many of us do, and the devs do, which is why it's still being worked on.

Way to project your own opinion onto everyone else though.

[Cyborne Elemental]

You would be surprised by how many players don't waste their time in this toxic vat we call a forum.

Some people are too busy playing or doing better things than swinging Epeen and troll clubs over the internet.

[Llymrel]

Kira_Onime, on 05 September 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

I only saw one of your posts.

I immediately assumed you where an idiot.

....Laugh yes, since I don't post on the board complaining all the time, must not be a launch vet. Thanks for your immense value add with quotable reference. I guess the 120 mechs I have over elite are an account hack. Any other personal attacks you want to add instead of valuable information?

To the firestarter is an ARC....that is only sort of true. They were the best IS light when released to date, and they have always packed a nice punch. They are also not that hard to hit and kill. I'm just fine with clan having a nice light mech. I pre-bought both the original clan packages which are missing fast lights other than the mist lynx. I am well aware of the clan gimps compared to the 60 IS mechs I own.

My point is, the hit boxes are either way to small or not operating right in all cases. It is the torso's that are the problem I can see. Legs seem pretty easy to take off. Btw, I am running a high end system so I don't have the stutter lag you can see in a lot of people's games when you ride along. Its not hard to nail light mechs when you have a fast PC, where a slow PC can have problems.

Thanks Mcgral for the vid, its interesting.

[Kira Onime]

Llymrel, on 05 September 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

....Laugh yes, since I don't post on the board complaining all the time, must not be a launch vet. Thanks for your immense value add with quotable reference. I guess the 120 mechs I have over elite are an account hack. Any other personal attacks you want to add instead of valuable information?

Wrong quote bro.

[Diablobo]

Wow....I must have a true bug, because not only is spelling and grammar getting messed up, but quotes are as well.

Since you are new here, I'll give you some advice. See all the dozens of other ACH OP threads that have been started, and add your comments there.

I know it's fashionable to bash the ACH, but try not to get too caught up in the fad.

[Llymrel]

Diablobo, on 05 September 2015 - 05:57 PM, said:

Wow....I must have a true bug, because not only is spelling and grammar getting messed up, but quotes are as well.

Since you are new here, I'll give you some advice. See all the dozens of other ACH OP threads that have been started, and add your comments there.

I know it's fashionable to bash the ACH, but try not to get too caught up in the fad.

You must have a such a sad life to have no other purpose than troll posts. Did you both reading the title? You could have just skipped over. Why don't you try playing the game instead of trolling, and then you may have valuable input.

Sorry Kira, scrolled back up and hit the wrong one. Apologies. I of course reported the troll, doubt it will do anything. Maybe enough times he will get banned. Its the idiots like him that spam the board is why I basically never post.

[Diablobo]

Mister D, on 05 September 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

You would be surprised by how many players don't waste their time in this toxic vat we call a forum.

Some people are too busy playing or doing better things than swinging Epeen and troll clubs over the internet.

I guess that's not you since you have almost three times as many posts as I do while having been a member not quite as long as I have.

Cool story bro.

Edited by Diablobo, 05 September 2015 - 06:06 PM.

[Kodyn]

I have a rather low-end system, and I don't find major problems with them now that I've adjusted, so I don't know that PC builds are the issue here.

As I said, yes, they are tough as nails, but not really that much more so than one should expect for a clan light that has good hitboxes, JJ, and that speed.

You cut them right, they do in fact bleed. It is just extremely hard to hit them where you think you are hitting them. The hitboxes are tiny, as tiny as the actual torsos they represent, as shown in Mcgral's vid. They're not bigger than the actual mech, which seems to be what people are expecting them to be.

The mech itself is built and shaped in a way that you may think you're aiming directly CT, but with the relative speed, size, transversal of the ACH(Not ARC....), even the slightest twitch or movement will have you spreading that damage over 2-3 components.

It all makes perfect sense. There's nothing mystical or magical about them.

[Diablobo]

Llymrel, on 05 September 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

You must have a such a sad life to have no other purpose than troll posts. Did you both reading the title? You could have just skipped over. Why don't you try playing the game instead of trolling, and then you may have valuable input.

Sorry Kira, scrolled back up and hit the wrong one. Apologies. I of course reported the troll, doubt it will do anything. Maybe enough times he will get banned. Its the idiots like him that spam the board is why I basically never post.

Uh, huh....the only one who will get banned is the guy who posted a duplicate thread. Again I say, we have had NOTHING but Cheetah posts. You really think the admins are going to stick up for your precious flower debut thread?

Huh uh.