102 replies to this topic

[Team Leader]

PLEASE, make this happen! It would be so much easier for me, and undoubtedly many others. I just got a nice wireless connector ($25), and I really want to be able to employ my $50 peripheral. I'm a big fan of MechWarrior, but I have never been very good with joysticks. Unfortunately the other games don't seem to even detect the second control stick making it mostly pointless

edit: Oh, and nothing about aim assist guys, but thanks for bringing that up. I don't want that implemented ever!
Ok annnd added a keyboard option for you guys. But thats not the point, Im not asking what you want to use, Im asking that there should be the ability to use console controllers!

Edited by Team Leader, 07 July 2012 - 11:08 AM.

[Aegis Kleais]

A gamepad is just a different type of input. The more inputs supported the better. Just don't expect any level of aim-assist that console games are notorious for.

[Manthony Higgs]

I'd never use it, but it would be good to have for those who want to use it. XBox controllers are pretty comfy.

[Aesaar]

Mouse + keyboard is the best input setup there is!

But seriously, I don't really care. If those who want to use a 360 controller want to, they should. It only becomes a problem when companies decide their entire control scheme needs to fit on its very limited amount of buttons, and add in aim assist to "balance" things out.

Out of curiosity, what would you use the second thumbstrick for? Movement is throttle based, and most, if not all joysticks have a wheel for that. 360 controllers don't. Wouldn't using the thumbstick for it be unwieldy? You try to increase the throttle a bit, and you end up turning the whole mech. I could see it becoming really annoying really fast.

Edited by Aesaar, 06 July 2012 - 06:43 PM.

[FACEman Peck]

Aegis Kleais, on 06 July 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

A gamepad is just a different type of input. The more inputs supported the better. Just don't expect any level of aim-assist that console games are notorious for.

Aim assist is the reason why consoles will never be better than PC gaming. If you need a computer to help you aim, you officially suck.

[Aethon]

FACEman Peck, on 06 July 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Aim assist is the reason why consoles will never be better than PC gaming. If you need a computer to help you aim, you officially suck.

It's not the players (usually), it's the input method. KB+Mouse will trump a gamepad any day of the week on an FPS; that's why so many people cry about people using KB+Mouse on their PS3/360 when playing online FPS games.

[Team Leader]

Aesaar, on 06 July 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Out of curiosity, what would you use the second thumbstrick for? Movement is throttle based, and most, if not all joysticks have a wheel for that. 360 controllers don't. Wouldn't using the thumbstick for that be unwieldy? You try to increase the throttle a bit, and you end up turning the whole mech.

well, I was thinking I could use the bumpers for torso twist, and the left stick for turning and throttle (forward-back), while the right stick is for aiming up and down and left and right. Now that I think about it though, throttle could be on the d-pad too.

[Manthony Higgs]

Auto Aim is a necessary evil in console gaming. Precision aiming is next to impossible on Thumbsticks.

[Team Leader]

Peltarius, on 06 July 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Well aren't you great then? Newsflash: not everyone likes to play how you like to play.

@OP: I suggested this a while back, but got no official answer and the thread descended into a trollfest by PC-elitists.

Well. Hopefully that doesn't happen here and we get a Dev answer from someone other than Pwaul. (Put the W in there in case he vanity searches himself )

Manthony Higgs, on 06 July 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

Auto Aim is a necessary evil in console gaming. Precision aiming is next to impossible on Thumbsticks.

I disagree. Maybe mouse is much more precise but I would certainly be fine with a gamepad, accuracy wise. Either way its better for me than a joystick.

[Aesaar]

FACEman Peck, on 06 July 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Aim assist is the reason why consoles will never be better than PC gaming. If you need a computer to help you aim, your input device officially sucks.

Fixed that for you.

Edited by Aesaar, 06 July 2012 - 06:48 PM.

[Aethon]

Team Leader, on 06 July 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I disagree. Maybe mouse is much more precise but I would certainly be fine with a gamepad, accuracy wise. Either way its better for me than a joystick.

I have to ask...have you tried KB+Mouse? Also, which joystick are you using?

[Team Leader]

Aethon, on 06 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I have to ask...have you tried KB+Mouse? Also, which joystick are you using?

Wingman force 3d. May not be top of the line but I can use it, but then again chances are I would lose to everyone since
I have enough trouble with computers haha
Oh and I dont like using kb+ mouse its not comfortable for me. I like to be able to move around when Im playing games if that makes sense

Edited by Team Leader, 06 July 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[syngyne]

Team Leader, on 06 July 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

well, I was thinking I could use the bumpers for torso twist, and the left stick for turning and throttle (forward-back), while the right stick is for aiming up and down and left and right. Now that I think about it though, throttle could be on the d-pad too.

Keep in mind that torso twist and aim are the same controls. Your aim controls where the arms are pointing, and the torso tries to catch up. There is no separate control for torso rotation, so you wouldn't need the bumpers for that.

[Team Leader]

Oh right wasn't thinking. But I would find some way to use those bumpers I just know it. Also what about convergence? Can't arms move independently from torso to an extent?

[Aesaar]

Team Leader, on 06 July 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

well, I was thinking I could use the bumpers for torso twist, and the left stick for turning and throttle (forward-back), while the right stick is for aiming up and down and left and right. Now that I think about it though, throttle could be on the d-pad too.

Throttle would probably fit better on the d-pad. Could work. Actually, you could also use the bumpers for turning left/right, one thumbstick for torso movement, and the other for independently moving the arms when you want to.

Definitely not my preferred setup, but hopefully PGI can get something good together for people like you.

Edited by Aesaar, 06 July 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[Freyar]

Go ahead and use a 360 controller. It's your handicap.

[Vashts1985]

i was about to enter the poll, but then i realized

[Adridos]

How many buttons and such are on that gamepad, since you need:

1. Something to control the mech with (W,S,A,D)
2. Something to target with (mouse)
3. Something you target an enemy by radar (E)
4. Two buttons to fire primary and secondary weaponn group
5. Something to push to talk to teammates and something else for all
6. Something for scoreboard
7. A button for shutdown/startup
8. A button for shutdown override
9. Something to use zoom
10. Something to center torso with
11. Something to stop your mech at once
12. A button for jump jets
13. A button to switch thermal vision on/off
14. + a few buttons to make assign weapons to weapon groups

Are you sure the controller can handle this?

Edited by Adridos, 07 July 2012 - 04:14 AM.

[RedDragon]

What Adridos said. And more. I really can't see playing with a gamepad would work at all. Even if you handled to be as precise and quick with it as with M+K or joystick, there are just too many controls you'd need. After all, MW is a kind of simulation.
Even MW4, the most arcade-like game of the series, uses a layout like this (it's German, but you get the point):
http://www.keycardhq.de/t/mw4.pdf

The layout for MWO may look a bit like the one from MW:LL:



And hopefully there will be many more keys assigned to advanced controls like different image-enhancers, toggle for ammunition type, a squad-menu like in Battlefield etc. to report to your lancemates and your commander and many more. I really don't think this will work on a game pad and therefore the Devs shouldn't invest too much time in implementing it, if that way they had less time to finish the actual game. A bit down the road if they have enough time to spare, fine, if you want to play with such a limiting peripheral, it's your choice

[Mchawkeye]

So much unnessercery antagonism about a freaking controller. Honestly, peace and love people. If he wants to use a pad, let him. Gordon Bennett, it's not like anyone using a pad will effect the way you play the game in the slightest, you want to use a keyboard and mouse, go right ahead.

But there really is no need to bash someone for an opinion that in no way alters your experience of the game.
I say let's joy pads work, joysticks, flight sticks, hell, even steering wheels if that gets you hard. Its all good.