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[Tennex]

Sjorpha, on 13 September 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

I agree the early sketch looks a LOT better, I wish thay had gone for that one instead.

whelp maybe they'll use it for marauder II the 100 tonner

[Jack Gallows]

I like the concept though hope it appears a tad bit bulkier once in game, but overall always love Alex's work (and Shimmering Sword's)

[Joseph Mallan]

No

Yes

[MeiSooHaityu]

I like the original. (A) works for me.

[bad arcade kitty]

MauttyKoray, on 13 September 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Personally, I much prefer that early concept Alex did. It looks a lot more like a Marauder IMO

and that's probably why it was changed
specifically the way how the gun is attached to the hull

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Lets face it, the old school Marauder's design didn't even fit as it was art from Japanese anime and fit nowhere in the style of the rest of the mechs.

implying marauder was the only mech right from the japanese anime
how do you think we got unseens

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 02:41 AM, said:

it looks like jenny iic

[Hans Von Lohman]

Guys, I find this whole art critique post interesting, but deep down don't you think this really is pretty pointless? They're going with that concept art or they wouldn't have bothered to show us.

Also, as much as you want the Marauder to look like the Macross Zentraedi Officer pod, it has to be different enough to survive a court case judgement about whether or not PGI is plagiarizing the art of Macross or not.

[Jack Gallows]

Hans Von Lohman, on 14 September 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

Guys, I find this whole art critique post interesting, but deep down don't you think this really is pretty pointless? They're going with that concept art or they wouldn't have bothered to show us.

Actually, feedback has changed a few mech concept arts, the Dragon beam arm was altered after people suggested a change on the forums and a few others. Feedback is still important, even if it's just to reinforce that the current design is the favored (or not.) I personally love the current concept Flying Debris has done.

Hans Von Lohman, on 14 September 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

Also, as much as you want the Marauder to look like the Macross Zentraedi Officer pod, it has to be different enough to survive a court case judgement about whether or not PGI is plagiarizing the art of Macross or not.

More because of Catalyst Game Labs since PGI wouldn't be doing concepts for MW:O unless they'd been approved/appeared in updates from CGL. Warhammer and Marauder have both had official redesigns (though we haven't seen the front of the Marauder from that,) and I'm assuming we'll see the others once CGL puts up more or they decide to let PGI put them out (which I find less likely but possible.)

Otherwise, yeah, what you say is spot on. The old spindly design doesn't fit how MW:O looks anyway so it wasn't going to be regardless if they could use the art and I for one find it to be a vast improvement.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 14 September 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Haakon Magnusson, on 13 September 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

D also happens to be a most original lawsuit material, I like the larger cockpit that actually makes sense and could actually be seen out from when piloting one.

While 1:1 copy of this is what I grew up as an Marauder, I can change with the times. Maybe some others should too?

Thats the Macross Glaug Officier Pod ,with his Zyclops Reptil Eye ...the FASA Cockpit is a more esthetic Redesign (more like a Shark Head) with a Front-Sensor like a Gatling Gun

the most BT Artist (and the old Miniatures) used the Original Macross design, not the FASA Design from the original TRO 3025

Edited by CSJ Ranger, 14 September 2015 - 07:13 AM.

[0bsidion]

MauttyKoray, on 13 September 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Personally, I much prefer that early concept Alex did. It looks a lot more like a Marauder IMO while actually having a more IS-like quality to it in the design. The current concept we received looks too far in Clan design for my taste of the original chassis.

In fact, I would much prefer Alex to shelve the concept they released and modify it later for the Clan IIC version. I'm not a big fan the of smashed shell look of the TT miniature, but I think the concept looks pretty sleek and much more of a clan design than what I feel should be a bulky, war machine IS mech. Lets face it, the old school Marauder's design didn't even fit as it was art from Japanese anime and fit nowhere in the style of the rest of the mechs.

I do like that sketch a bit better than the concept art. And while I'm not a huge fan of the new version, admittedly, on a functional level it will work better in MWO. The original, (or unoriginal artwork I guess you could call it), the arms were fairly low slung and wide apart. On this new version the arms will be higher up and closer together, which will help shooting over terrain and convergence at close range. So there's that I guess.

CSJ Ranger, on 14 September 2015 - 06:50 AM, said:

Thats the Macross Glaug Officier Pod ,with his Zyclops Reptil Eye ...the FASA Cockpit is a more esthetic Redesign (more like a Shark Head) with a Front-Sensor like a Gatling Gun

the most BT Artist (and the old Miniatures) used the Original Macross design, not the FASA Design from the original TRO 3025

That's actually the first time I've seen a side-by-side comparison, and yeah, they probably could have made it less obvious plagiarism, but at least it isn't a straight up copy and paste job. Man, that sucks though.

[C A R N A G E]

Lol so when can I throw down my money for it?Mauler pack purchased, 2c pack purchased now I gotta get me a marauder too.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 September 2015 - 02:41 AM, said:

No

Yes

That bottom mech almost looks more like an anorexic Stone RHino then a Marauder.

[Aethon]

CSJ Ranger, on 12 September 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:

nonsense...the Cockpit Style from FASA have no Lawsuit Problem ,the Fasa Cockpit the Only different Element from the Macross Design

This is why nobody needs to worry about legal issues with the cockpit.

As for the size of the ferroglass in front of the pilot, it does not need to be huge. Do present-day tanks have huge bubble canopies? Nope. The only reason present-day aircraft have them is that they do not have the 360-degree vision strip that mechs have in Battletech. If I had to put my life on the line, I would rather be situated within a better-protected cockpit.

Please bring back the proper Marauder cockpit, get rid of the pauldrons, and slim down the width of the torso. Otherwise, it does not even remind me of a Marauder, aside from the general arm shape. Trying to get a Marauder out of this thing feels like a Rorschach Test.

In order of importance, I consider the cockpit as important as all the other changes combined.

[Biclor Moban]

Tennex, on 10 September 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Spoiler

Suggested Design Changes: Vote Here: http://mwomercs.com/...er-design-poll/
A: Original
B: Straitened arms (Tennex) + Reduced Size of ST Exhaust (FireBlood)
C: "" "" + Pauldrons Removed(Tennex) + Cockpit redesign (zagibu)
D: "" "" + Pauldrons Removed(Tennex) + Cockpit redesign (FireBlood)

Targets for Design modifications:

Spoiler

I like D the best mostly because it looks like something that is..... survivable and narrower like original.. What would be the problem with having the front window be real and the side windows show as framed monitor screens.

Or this.

Or this.

I mean really should be wearing Neurohelmets but....

Edited by Biclor Moban, 14 September 2015 - 10:46 AM.

[Brody319]

Don't hear a lot of complaining about the the other mechs with giant cockpits...why just this one? answer: Nostalgia
Hear nothing about the Cataphract, Cheetah, Griffin, or the Hellbringer. They got some pretty big cockpits.
If we were being realistic, every mech would have the Stalker cockpit and nothing else.

[FireBlood]

Well, looking through the variants it now totally makes sense why they have such a wide torso with intakes, they wanted a jump jetting 75 ton IS mech to compete with the jumping Timber Wolf.

[RolfS]

Looks like an awful mech pretending to be a marauder. There is only one marauder and that is the marauder from macross. I rather play cataphract than this nonsense...

[Biclor Moban]

RolfS, on 14 September 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

Looks like an awful mech pretending to be a marauder. There is only one marauder and that is the marauder from macross. I rather play cataphract than this nonsense...

I don't think I like your attitude son.

[Biclor Moban]

FireBlood, on 14 September 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

Well, looking through the variants it now totally makes sense why they have such a wide torso with intakes, they wanted a jump jetting 75 ton IS mech to compete with the jumping Timber Wolf.

No need to make a pancake. It can only have 4JJ so no need for lots of JJ room/vents when 2 should be in the legs.

[zagibu]

The intakes are jet engines. The torso can detach from the legs and becomes a space ship.

[Biclor Moban]

MauttyKoray, on 13 September 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Personally, I much prefer that early concept Alex did. It looks a lot more like a Marauder IMO while actually having a more IS-like quality to it in the design. The current concept we received looks too far in Clan design for my taste of the original chassis.

In fact, I would much prefer Alex to shelve the concept they released and modify it later for the Clan IIC version. I'm not a big fan the of smashed shell look of the TT miniature, but I think the concept looks pretty sleek and much more of a clan design than what I feel should be a bulky, war machine IS mech. Lets face it, the old school Marauder's design didn't even fit as it was art from Japanese anime and fit nowhere in the style of the rest of the mechs.

It fit just fine with the alien group it was in. Clans didn't just come up with original designs they had to get the ideas somewhere. So it would make sense some IS mech would look like Clan mechs.

The other thing was it was such a jumping off point for so many other mechs. You can see It's influence on a bunch of mechs.

http://mwomercs.com/...pod-body-mechs/

Kinda like the 2 box and 3 box designs for cars.

Edited by Biclor Moban, 14 September 2015 - 04:59 PM.