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[Lucky Noob]

The Amount of Posts in regard of the PTS shows me how much you all love this F******g Game. <3

Glad youre all still around and wait for the Big Change.

[ApolloKaras]

Braddack, on 14 September 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

The Amount of Posts in regard of the PTS shows me how much you all love this F******g Game. <3

Glad youre all still around and wait for the Big Change.

STOP TRYING TO RAIN ON MY NEGATIVITY PARADE!!11

[Rhaythe]

Saxie, on 14 September 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

STOP TRYING TO RAIN ON MY NEGATIVITY PARADE!!11

I feel the good in you, father. The conflict. Let go of your hatred.

[DAYLEET]

Braddack, on 14 September 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

The Amount of Posts in regard of the PTS shows me how much you all love this F******g Game. <3

Glad youre all still around and wait for the Big Change.

People got used to quirks, it's like when an op weapon get nerfed and the people using it complain, except with quirks, everyone used it so it's damn hard to be objective. I do hope they rebuild it from t he ground up without having to quirk weapons.

[Rhaythe]

DAYLEET, on 14 September 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

People got used to quirks, it's like when an op weapon get nerfed and the people using it complain, except with quirks, everyone used it so it's damn hard to be objective. I do hope they rebuild it from t he ground up without having to quirk weapons.

Agreed. Though if the answer is to quirk armor/structure, I'm not sure that's really the answer.

[Gas Guzzler]

DAYLEET, on 14 September 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

People got used to quirks, it's like when an op weapon get nerfed and the people using it complain, except with quirks, everyone used it so it's damn hard to be objective. I do hope they rebuild it from t he ground up without having to quirk weapons.

Some quirks are okay. If look at say, the Grasshoppers, do any of them have ridiculous weapon quirks that have such a profound impact on gameplay?

[Lucky Noob]

As Sean told in his Vid Explanation on You Tube, the PTS atm is about the Sensors, and all the Rest is basic only, so Weapon balance is not on PTS atm.

Now the Server has to come back on so we can test whatever they need to be tested.

[MischiefSC]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 September 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Some quirks are okay. If look at say, the Grasshoppers, do any of them have ridiculous weapon quirks that have such a profound impact on gameplay?

You and your Hopper.

Like I can talk. I'm going to run Marauder, 2xWarhammer and some light (don't care which) in CW regardless of how well they play and I'm going to do it until I can regularly do 1500+ in them, because Maddy and Whammy.

[DAYLEET]

Rhaythe, on 14 September 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Agreed. Though if the answer is to quirk armor/structure, I'm not sure that's really the answer.

I don't knoiw what the answer is but i think we should first start with tweaking the weapons instead of the mech. I don;t realy like pretend armor either though it has given life to mech that didnt have any. I hope we could go away from it too. it helps im not hell bent on using tt or lore values for the sake of.. well... killing the game i guess.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 September 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Some quirks are okay. If look at say, the Grasshoppers, do any of them have ridiculous weapon quirks that have such a profound impact on gameplay?

Yeah is quirks can give "flavor" like smaller generalised boost instead of specific boost to a certain weapon then it's cool.

[Mazzyplz]

i am glad the quirks will be gone.

WHAT I DONT LIKE IS THE NEGATIVE QUIRKS THEY GAVE MEDIOCRE VARIANTS OF IS MECHS NERFING THEM.
THEIR ALGORITHM CANNOT BE RIGHT if this is what it came up with

its obvious it's not taking every variable into account because there are some really illogical choices taken this way

[mike29tw]

It means we all want this game to improve.

I hope Vass is here, he'd offer some insightful diagnosis on the current situation of balance.

[sycocys]

It really doesn't make sense to balance the mechs before you balance the weapons. All that is going to do is make them have to go back and re-balance the mechs again after they do the weapons - and from the way it appeared to be set up, they'd have to redo the entire system any time they introduce new tech/mechs/weapons.

As far as testing the communications update, most of us wouldn't have had a problem with that but we were all led to believe this was supposed to be the first iteration of the full balance patch until after they pulled the PTS offline.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 September 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Some quirks are okay. If look at say, the Grasshoppers, do any of them have ridiculous weapon quirks that have such a profound impact on gameplay?

If quirks of any kind are heading up above the 20% amount, then its heading a little to far...5-10% here and there should be enough, if the balance is done properly. Nothing is so UP that it needs 20-30-50-60% anything.

Except maybe the DHS, they need ....30% more heat dissipation?

[Gas Guzzler]

DAYLEET, on 14 September 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

Yeah is quirks can give "flavor" like smaller generalised boost instead of specific boost to a certain weapon then it's cool.

Yeah, like the 5H has 10% energy cooldown +10% medium laser cooldown, and -12.5% heat generation, plus some agility and structure. IMO, drop the + 10% ML cooldown, and leave the weapon quirks as is, doing the rest of balance with agility and durability and sensors.

LordKnightFandragon, on 14 September 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

If quirks of any kind are heading up above the 20% amount, then its heading a little to far...5-10% here and there should be enough, if the balance is done properly. Nothing is so UP that it needs 20-30-50-60% anything.

Except maybe the DHS, they need ....30% more heat dissipation?

Hopper doesn't really have any 30% quirks so...

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 September 2015 - 09:44 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Mazzyplz, on 14 September 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

i am glad the quirks will be gone.

WHAT I DONT LIKE IS THE NEGATIVE QUIRKS THEY GAVE MEDIOCRE VARIANTS OF IS MECHS NERFING THEM.
THEIR ALGORITHM CANNOT BE RIGHT if this is what it came up with

its obvious it's not taking every variable into account because there are some really illogical choices taken this way

They've said no quirks are final. Or even proposed. This past test was sensors only.

Though as its been mentioned, their communication could use some vast improvement.

[Gas Guzzler]

MischiefSC, on 14 September 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

You and your Hopper.

Like I can talk. I'm going to run Marauder, 2xWarhammer and some light (don't care which) in CW regardless of how well they play and I'm going to do it until I can regularly do 1500+ in them, because Maddy and Whammy.

Well I just feel that it is a solid all around mech, not a glass cannon with Dire Wolf DPS, but its definitely workable as is, and doesn't have any ridiculous quirks.

[Richter Kerensky]

Picking some arbitrary threshold and saying "this number sounds like too much of a number" is a really dumb way to try to balance things. The Grid Iron has a Gauss Rifle that shoots something like twice as fast as normal and it's a cool mech, but people don't bring it up much in "what's the best Medium" discussions because, get this, there are better Mediums. Looking at a single thing in a vacuum is what prompted these bizarre and counterproductive infowars changes in the first place.

[Gas Guzzler]

Richter Kerensky, on 14 September 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Picking some arbitrary threshold and saying "this number sounds like too much of a number" is a really dumb way to try to balance things. The Grid Iron has a Gauss Rifle that shoots something like twice as fast as normal and it's a cool mech, but people don't bring it up much in "what's the best Medium" discussions because, get this, there are better Mediums. Looking at a single thing in a vacuum is what prompted these bizarre and counterproductive infowars changes in the first place.

Well its not necessarily the overall end result that people have the problem with. Its more of a general unbalanced feel to have the Grid Iron or the Dragon-1N or a couple others putting out such a magically unnatural amount of DPS. I think people would rather those mechs be brought to viability through a less arbitrary and intrusive means.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 September 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Yeah, like the 5H has 10% energy cooldown +10% medium laser cooldown, and -12.5% heat generation, plus some agility and structure. IMO, drop the + 10% ML cooldown, and leave the weapon quirks as is, doing the rest of balance with agility and durability and sensors.



Hopper doesn't really have any 30% quirks so...

I just mean after this rebalance...they are basically doing a from ground 0 redo of all the quirks and game balance as a whole.

[Lugh]

Braddack, on 14 September 2015 - 09:19 AM, said:

The Amount of Posts in regard of the PTS shows me how much you all love this F******g Game. <3

Glad youre all still around and wait for the Big Change.

Welcome to the MWO NGE adjustment....