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[Av4tar]

Double heatsink works with 1.4 efficiency

Clan advantage: 2 slots

IS disadvantage: 3 slots

How about change the IS efficiency to --> 1.5 or 1.6 to make up the slot disadvantage?

[Durant Carlyle]

It's a suggestion. Not a good one, but it is a suggestion.

[Leggin Ho]

How about the Clan sinks get the double efficiency they are supposed to have then then give the IS sink's the 1.5 or 1.6 like they are supposed to have instead.

[Spare Parts Bin]

Leggin Ho, on 20 September 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

How about the Clan sinks get the double efficiency they are supposed to have then then give the IS sink's the 1.5 or 1.6 like they are supposed to have instead.

I support this message.

[FupDup]

Leggin Ho, on 20 September 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

How about the Clan sinks get the double efficiency they are supposed to have then then give the IS sink's the 1.5 or 1.6 like they are supposed to have instead.

Both factions were "supposed" to have 2.0 efficiency. IS and Clan DHS always had the same heat dissipation abilities, the Clan ones are only smaller in size.

Besides that, your idea gives a larger buff to the Clans than IS...which makes the issue even worse. So the verdict is...nope.


An idea from somebody else is that maybe Clan DHS could have a lower item health than IS DHS, to give at least some benefit to the IS mechs that struggle to cram in enough Dubs to make their builds work. Since the majority of items in MWO (including heatsinks) currently have 10.0 health, I'd like to try Clan DHS at around 5.0-6.0 health instead.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Looking at Heat Sinks, there could be a difference between IS and Clan efficiency for balancing. And both Dissipation and Capacity should be adjusted.

Here's where I'm starting to lean towards, if we stay with current base weapon stats:

Reduce the gifted Heat Capacity value of 30 to 14
Disable Cool Run and Heat Containment
Change Heat Scale Penalty buckets to better account for damage above say 30 to 40 Damage, including more weapon combos, and to the lowered Heat Capacity
Raise Dissipation and Adjust Capacity with Cool Run and Heat Containment being disabled and replaced.

I'd like to test out these values for Heat Sinks:
SHS
0.25 Dissipation
1.00 Capacity

IS DHS
0.40 Dissipation
2.00 Capacity

Clan DHS
0.30 Dissipation
1.60 Capacity

This way 28 SHS would provide 7.00 Dissipation a second and 42 Capacity to the First Shutdown we can Override. For comparison firing three PPCs with current AWS-8Q PPC Heat Gen Quirks and Heat Scale Penalties factored is ~31.95 Heat, HPS is in the range of 7.98 to ~9.98 depending on Fast Fire, cooldown quirks and Weapon Modules. Then two PPCs would be 15 Heat, so the player would need to alternate firing to avoid shutting down, along the lines of 3/2/3 and so on.

20 IS DHS would provide 8.00 Dissipation and a Capacity of 54 Capacity to the First Shutdown we can Override. If we consider the AWS-9M with its ERPPC quirks, an alpha of all three is ~47.93, with an HPS of ~11.98 to ~13.69. and so would need to be careful.

A few more cases in the spoiler

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28 Clan DHS would provide 8.40 Dissipation and a Capacity of 58.8 to the First Shutdown we can Override. If we consider the Warhawk Prime. Firing three would spike heat really close to shutdown at ~58.79 in most maps and if moving. Firing two is a spike of 27.6 with an HPS of ~6.90 to 7.26.

An Adder Prime with 15 Clan DHS has 4.50 Dissipation and a Capacity of 38 to the First Shutdown we can Override. Firing two ERPPCs is a spike of 25.5 with an HPS of ~6.38 to 6.71. A single ERPPC is 12.75 spike with an HPS of ~3.18 to ~3.35. So much more sustainable than what we currently see, even with a reduced Capacity.

A 6xMPL Timber with 26 DHS, would have a Dissipation of 7.8 and a Capacity of 55.6 to the First Shutdown we can Override.
At their current heat of 6 each, the mech would spike 36 Heat with an HPS between ~9.35 to ~12.00. So there could be a Heat Scale Penalty that can be applied since the damage sits at 48. And I would have no problem seeing C-MPLs return to 7 Damage each while retaining their current 6 Heat, since base Dissipation would be increased anyway.

And I'd have little problem using different values for Heat Sinks than what I suggested for testing above, but the main thing for me is that we need to reduce Capacity and increase Dissipation.

[grayson marik]

how bout doing this ? As it would solve the issue and all the others currently pending...