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[Sarlic]

Apnu, on 21 September 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

I avoided the event this weekend. It wasn't worth the aggravation. Its the newbies and lack of MM. I'm not competing with players at my skill level. I'm competing with everybody, the goods and the bads. But the bads really do work against the team.

During Double XP weekend, I was grinding out XP on mechs I hadn't gotten around to in classes I don't often play, so I expected a learning curve, but wow, I was not prepared for the sheer number of newbies doing bad newbie moves.

Examples:
*NASCAR away from the assaults, right into the enemy force's murder ball.
*Assaults doggedly chasing the squirrel.
*That squirrel kiting enemies away from the fight. Not towards friendly blue Doritos, but away from all the Doritos.
*Everybody collapsing firing lines into columns and lighting friendlies up.
*Friendlies totally unaware of fire lanes, stepping into firing lanes, then complaining in comms about FF.
*Fat assaults standing at a choke point, alpha striking everything, shutting down, while taking all the enemy's fire, and blocking the choke point so no friendlies can help. Then being pissed off nobody helped them.
*Calling for a push, getting half way there then stalling when a spider pops his head out.
*Standing behind friendlies backing into cover.
*Cutting off friendlies while moving, colliding with them right at the start.

I haven't seen that kind of stuff since before Elo. When Elo went in, most of that went away. Now Elo is gone, but PSR isn't in yet, and we're seeing exactly why we needed Elo in the first place.

So getting 300 points was really hard for me. Usually half my team would derp off and die in the first 5 minutes, and when I found the enemy I was out numbered 3 or more to 1. Doesn't matter how good the player is, or much alpha strike a mech has, or how much armor. If you're facing those odds, you are going to put up a lousy score.

So I skipped the event. I didn't want the extra challenge of trying to earn 300 or 400 match score when I knew my team would be tying one of my arms behind my back.

These wonderful intentionally damagefarmers.

They are just as worse as intentionally disco's. They didnt even bothered to help or do anyyhing for the team. Went straight for the two disco's. "Screw the rest" they must have thought.

Apart from the intentional disco's these guys went a step further.

Leaving the team behind, screw everything and the last two alive. Not to mention alot of players from our team was pissed. Totally legit.

If they like to bend rules. Then i may bend the rules as well.

Who wants to play a guess game? Psst.. Dont say it out loud. Keep it for yourself. Otherwise you might violate the naming & shaming.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Just naming the few examples what just destroys a whole team mentality and you piss alot of players off thus losing my respect.

Now why would you do this? B-B-ut i need those points! B-But i can do whatever i want?! I blame the event! "Dont hate the players, hate game" they said...

Hint: no responsibility.

Edited by Sarlic, 21 September 2015 - 12:37 PM.

[Apnu]

Sarlic, on 21 September 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

These wonderful intentionally damagefarmers.

They are just as worse as intentionally disco's. They didnt even bothered to help. Went straight for the two disco's. Screw the rest they must have thought. We got slaughtered.

Apart from the intentional disco's these guys went a step further.

Leaving the team behind, screw everything and the last two alive.

If they like to bend rules. Then i may bend the rules as well.

Who wants to play a guess game?

Spoiler

Spoiler

Just naming the few examples what just destroys a whole team mentality and you piss alot of players off.

Now why would you do this? B-B-ut i need those points! B-But i can do whatever i want?! I blame the event! "Dont hate the players, hate game"

Hint: no responsibility.

Sorry man, this post doesn't make much sense.

I don't hate the players, I just don't want to play an event when I'm on a team with newbies who don't know what they're doing. If we had Elo or PSR in, the even would have been fine. As it was the MM w/out Elo or some skill metric makes clumps of vets vs newbies, just like it was in CB.

That's the problem. Its not the newbies, there will always be newbies. Its not the farmers, there will always be farmers. Its not the tryhards, there will always be tryhards.

This is supposed to be the "thinking man's shooter" and I don't see much thinking in the game right now. I used to, when we had Elo, but not anymore.

[Sarlic]

It was redirected to players with terrible behaviour. Because even with vets you get these kind of games.

Unless i misunderstood you?

Edited by Sarlic, 21 September 2015 - 09:42 AM.

[Lugh]

LordNothing, on 21 September 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

this event is pro elite. dont even try if your kd < 1. i wouldn't be surprised if anybody but the top 10% even qualify without using exploits.

I'm not the top 10% and I completed the event in Solo Queue Saturday.

I did use the best mechs for the job.

[TWIAFU]

Fate 6, on 21 September 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

I didn't realize challenges were intended for newbies. Sometimes you need more than a pulse to earn the rewards

Wonder if they same people that complained how hard this challenge was were the same that complained how easy the last one was?

Hard to call this a Tournament/Challenge, and keep a straight face, while setting the bar so low a fresh install with a trial spider does just as well as a multi year vet or Founder.

Map issues aside, it is nice to be challenged every so often and this tourney lived up to it.

Lugh, on 21 September 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm not the top 10% and I completed the event in Solo Queue Saturday.

I did use the best mechs for the job.

I'm no where near top 10% and was able to get 70% of pub queue done in a couple hours a night, in a Griffin of all things!

[crashlogic]

PGI forgets, as some of the forum warrios do, is that 300 points in a game is hard for most of the community. For some of the community 300-400 is obviously a joke, given that the winners had 9 804 point maps. Still for most players getting three hundred damage is a good game.
They should have had four tier levels 150,300, 500, 800. Player would only get prizes for the highest tier level completed. The challenge here is getting 300 points, not the random map

Edited by crashlogic, 21 September 2015 - 09:55 AM.

[kesmai]

no problem with the base dificulty.
more a problem of the random maps. to play hours waiting for a map is just sad and ruins the fun for me.
but hey i guess the population was quite high over the weekend, makes me wonder why...

Edited by kesmai, 21 September 2015 - 09:50 AM.

[El Bandito]

Lugh, on 21 September 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm not the top 10% and I completed the event in Solo Queue Saturday.

I did use the best mechs for the job.

What is your final score? If you had completed it, then I am willing to bet that you are in the top 10% of the participants.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 September 2015 - 11:36 AM.

[LordNothing]

Lugh, on 21 September 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm not the top 10% and I completed the event in Solo Queue Saturday.

I did use the best mechs for the job.

ive mostly been doing cw just to get t1, and i still need a map. its not the games that count, its the 50 i had to play to get the map i need. so its rather frustrating when ms shows up.

Edited by LordNothing, 21 September 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[SolarCleric]

Apnu, on 21 September 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

I avoided the event this weekend. It wasn't worth the aggravation. Its the newbies and lack of MM. I'm not competing with players at my skill level. I'm competing with everybody, the goods and the bads. But the bads really do work against the team.

During Double XP weekend, I was grinding out XP on mechs I hadn't gotten around to in classes I don't often play, so I expected a learning curve, but wow, I was not prepared for the sheer number of newbies doing bad newbie moves.

Examples:
*NASCAR away from the assaults, right into the enemy force's murder ball.
*Assaults doggedly chasing the squirrel.
*That squirrel kiting enemies away from the fight. Not towards friendly blue Doritos, but away from all the Doritos.
*Everybody collapsing firing lines into columns and lighting friendlies up.
*Friendlies totally unaware of fire lanes, stepping into firing lanes, then complaining in comms about FF.
*Fat assaults standing at a choke point, alpha striking everything, shutting down, while taking all the enemy's fire, and blocking the choke point so no friendlies can help. Then being pissed off nobody helped them.
*Calling for a push, getting half way there then stalling when a spider pops his head out.
*Standing behind friendlies backing into cover.
*Cutting off friendlies while moving, colliding with them right at the start.

I haven't seen that kind of stuff since before Elo. When Elo went in, most of that went away. Now Elo is gone, but PSR isn't in yet, and we're seeing exactly why we needed Elo in the first place.

So getting 300 points was really hard for me. Usually half my team would derp off and die in the first 5 minutes, and when I found the enemy I was out numbered 3 or more to 1. Doesn't matter how good the player is, or much alpha strike a mech has, or how much armor. If you're facing those odds, you are going to put up a lousy score.

So I skipped the event. I didn't want the extra challenge of trying to earn 300 or 400 match score when I knew my team would be tying one of my arms behind my back.

This quote basically sums up the experience right now. I laughed when I read the list of new player mistakes. So true so true. I was getting lrm rained on and same thing happened to me. I didn't do it; but I thought long and hard about blowing off the noob's arm that blocked me from getting to cover.

Anyways:

Sorry new players....duck and cover...because if you're not hardcore elite player this isn't going to be a happy time for you. Just close your eyes and wish this event away; just pretend it never happened. Whoever thought this event would be "fun" clearly was beat up a lot in high school and needed to exact some vengeance on the world. Typically PGI does some fun events: this just doesn't happen to be one of them. And normally the community doesn't mass DC out of games: but thanks to the rules of the event you get a nice picture of the darker side of the mech pilots out there.

But this too shall pass.

Is there anything else we can do to make sure you never play again? (p.s. please play again)

Edited by SolarCleric, 21 September 2015 - 11:11 AM.

[crashlogic]

Lugh, on 21 September 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

I'm not the top 10% and I completed the event in Solo Queue Saturday.

I did use the best mechs for the job.

Hell Lugh, it was Sunday before I even Saw mining collective. I still haven't gotten it because all thre times I have been on it there were too many dcs 3 on my time one 4 on the other and 2 DC and 3 suicides.
Meanwhile in 12 games today I have had FC 4 times HPG 6 times, and Canyon once. This sort of distribution is common for me. Viridan and Mining have been virtually absent. Also I have not played a game since friday that did not have two dc;s

[GernMiester]

El Bandito, on 21 September 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

PGI basically sent them the following message with this tourney.

"Hi newcomer, welcome to MWO. We know that only four starting mechbays is tight for you, and CW is ages above your skill level, but no worries, here is a chance for you to earn a completely free mechbay!

To earn this completely free 300 MC, all you have to do is to score a low low point of three hundred, on each of the maps, that gets harder and harder to drop into, and kindly ignore the people who disconnect, or run out of bounds, or suicide, at the start of the game.

Have fun, and be sure to check out our awesome consumables, and use them a lot to make scoring easier for you! Because the WHOLE TWO MILLION C-Bills that comes with the T1 winning package will totally cover the costs of the near hundred or two matches that you will be spending Strikes, UAVs, and Cool Shots on.

Also, did we say that CW is above your skill level? That was just a joke. Join CW with our completely optimized meta trial mechs for the chance to earn another 300 MC, this time with WHOLE FIVE MILLION C-Bills addition!"

LOL new players..

Johnny Z, on 21 September 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Like I say, there have been quite a few great events, but this is the worste one I can think of. Also these events dont replace lack of in game features.

Although I do think they can be entertaining and may have some use for the peeps building this game.

Johnny Z, on 21 September 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Like I say, there have been quite a few great events, but this is the worste one I can think of. Also these events dont replace lack of in game features.

Although I do think they can be entertaining and may have some use for the peeps building this game.

The only good events were the trick or treat type and double XP events. The rest are poorly thought out garbage that pushes more and more players away.

[totgeboren]

I don't consider myself especially good (kdr of 1.18), have only been pugging this event, and I have gotten all tier 1 prizes except Taiga on CW (darn map never shows up!), 5 Tier 2 prizes in the pug queue, and 3 tier 2 in CW.

Sure, I haven't gotten them all, but hey, lots of free stuff is nice.

Edited by totgeboren, 21 September 2015 - 11:19 AM.

[crashlogic]

What pisses me off is getting cored from behind when I finally do get the map I need because everyone is greedy for points. Bad show pgi bad ******* show.

[Apnu]

SolarCleric, on 21 September 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

This quote basically sums up the experience right now. I laughed when I read the list of new player mistakes. So true so true. I was getting lrm rained on and same thing happened to me. I didn't do it; but I thought long and hard about blowing off the noob's arm that blocked me from getting to cover.

Anyways:

Sorry new players....duck and cover...because if you're not hardcore elite player this isn't going to be a happy time for you. Just close your eyes and wish this event away; just pretend it never happened. Whoever thought this event would be "fun" clearly was beat up a lot in high school and needed to exact some vengeance on the world. Typically PGI does some fun events: this just doesn't happen to be one of them. And normally the community doesn't mass DC out of games: but thanks to the rules of the event you get a nice picture of the darker side of the mech pilots out there.

But this too shall pass.

Is there anything else we can do to make sure you never play again? (p.s. please play again)

I think it would have been fun if we were playing games on teams with balanced skill level.

Dealing with noobs is one thing. I accept there will be noobs and they'll do noob things. Maybe they are noobs in assaults on my team, maybe they're noobs in heavies on the other team and I'm getting free points off them for standing out of cover using small lasers on a target 600m way. Its OK, it sort of balances on its own.

But having no skill matching at all, like right now, until the Sept 22nd patch, where I think PSR will be in, is awful. Because the MM is basically a RNG, weird random teams happen. 75% of my games have seen one team with a bunch of vets vs noobs. I'm pretty sure there are vets abusing this and sync dropping the solo queue, and that's skewing things, but even if I subtract that, I'm still seeing probably 60% significant imbalance in team skill level.

So this event was a crap shoot on paper. The best one could hope for (unless they are upper 10% skill), was they'd land on a good team for a map they didn't have 300 or 400 points on, so they'd have a chance to run up their match score. Otherwise you'd have to hope the match is short (or suicide if the match's imbalance was not in your favor) and drop again as soon as you can to see if you hit the pick-6 MWO lottery of teams.

That's why I skipped it. I choose to do other things besides MWO. The few games I did, I didn't bother trying to get 300 match points, I was looking for MXP on a few mechs I have hanging around, but even then, the landscape isn't favorable for efficient MXP grinding right now. Not unless I do the disco. grind, but that's a d*ck move and I don't do that.

[Aresye]

Fate 6, on 21 September 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

I didn't realize challenges were intended for newbies. Sometimes you need more than a pulse to earn the rewards

Funny how when we have challenges that are very easy for any player to accomplish, everyone goes, "Great challenge PGI, really enjoyed this one!" despite the rewards being relatively weak, yet whenever the challenge gets tougher, involves real monetary (MC/mech pack) prizes, and actually gives the competitive side of the player base something to do, all of the sudden it's "unfair."

When the prizes are better, the work required is higher. PGI alternates between doing big prize events and smaller, easily attainable events, so even if this event is seen as hard to new players (which it is), there will be plenty of future events that they can easily complete to earn free stuff.

[El Bandito]

Aresye Kerensky, on 21 September 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Funny how when we have challenges that are very easy for any player to accomplish, everyone goes, "Great challenge PGI, really enjoyed this one!" despite the rewards being relatively weak, yet whenever the challenge gets tougher, involves real monetary (MC/mech pack) prizes, and actually gives the competitive side of the player base something to do, all of the sudden it's "unfair."

When the prizes are better, the work required is higher. PGI alternates between doing big prize events and smaller, easily attainable events, so even if this event is seen as hard to new players (which it is), there will be plenty of future events that they can easily complete to earn free stuff.

Because it is the newbies who need MC the most. This was their chance of getting an equivalent of a free mechbay, but PGI bungled it up. Fat chance newbies getting anywhere in this shitstorm of a challenge. Even some experienced players playing over the whole weekend couldn't make it to T1 thanks to RNG map drops.

Edited by El Bandito, 21 September 2015 - 11:52 AM.

[crashlogic]

totgeboren, on 21 September 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

Sure, I haven't gotten them all, but hey, lots of free stuff is nice.

The frree stuff is mostly useless. I got way more than 2 million doing the challenge, and the consumables don't impressme. I not need the colors or the cockpit items. I want to finish the challenge and have a good time doing so. Simply forgiving a bad event because we got free stuff is not at all the right move.

Oh yeah and lets not forget the exploiters. I mean its so bad we have a pinned topic about it.
This is one giant furrball. I would love for two hours to pass where I saw mining collective with the same frequency I see forest colony. This is not a wait for the map challenge. If I had twenty attempts in a day at Mining colony I would have complete the challenge. I have seen FC and river city Dozens of times, maybe 10 times as much as any other map.

So in this frustration people DC in the hope that mapye they have a chance to get the one map they need. Only when they show up there are three or four DC's PGI ****** THIS UP FROM THE GET GO AND SHOULDHAVE CANCELLED THE EVENT WHEN THE DISCONNECT BUG COULD NOT BE FIXED.

Edited by crashlogic, 21 September 2015 - 12:02 PM.

[totgeboren]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

The frree stuff is mostly useless. I got way more than 2 million doing the challenge, and the consumables don't impressme. I not need the colors or the cockpit items. I want to finish the challenge and have a good time doing so. Simply forgiving a bad event because we got free stuff is not at all the right move.

Oh yeah and lets not forget the exploiters. I mean its so bad we have a pinned topic about it.
This is one giant furrball. I would love for two hours to pass where I saw mining collective with the same frequency I see forest colony. This is not a wait for the map challenge. If I had twenty attempts in a day at Mining colony I would have complete the challenge. I have seen FC and river city Dozens of times, maybe 10 times as much as any other map.

But getting some extra mills c-bills and some random toys is exactly what makes newer players really happy.

[Kdogg788]

El Bandito, on 21 September 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Because it is the newbies who need MC the most. This was their chance of getting an equivalent of a free mechbay, but PGI bungled it up. Fat chance newbies getting anywhere in this shitstorm of a challenge. Even some experienced players playing over the whole weekend couldn't make it to T1 thanks to RNG map drops.

Exactly. I didn't see canyons once in eight hours.

-k