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[Yokaiko]

totgeboren, on 22 September 2015 - 03:15 AM, said:

No need for their disqualifier system they had in place.

They couldn't even play test that one.

[TWIAFU]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

No, the suicides and suspensions were a natural consequence o the mistakes made in setting up this event. Had the disconnect monitor actually worked at the beginning, things would have been fine. But after charging people with DC's after they were killed (whihc was contrary to event rules) their fix was to remove the DC penalty. When coupled with the fact that the random maps were heavily weighted towards two maps or maybe three, map farming became inevitable. This falls on PGI not the DC/Suiciders.

So, it's not "MY" fault I cheated, PGI made me.

Got it.

Good luck with that.

[Greyhart]

Those that intentionally broke the rules should be punished. I would say a suspension or something not an out right ban.

Frankly the self justification of these people comes as no surprise and is really only a depressing reflection of the society we live in.

A lot of people it seems have grown up with the idea that they are not responsible for their actions, that someone else or something else is to blame. If that fails it is then not fair because X wasn't punished.

The problem of this sort of thinking has been visited on us when the economy collapsed. Bankers were not properly scrutinised and incentivised to make money fast with no consideration of the long term or anyone else. Lets face it a lot of them must have known there would be bad effects but hoped they would avoid them.

But when the bad things happen did they accept it was their fault? Of course not it was someone else; they should've regulated better; or that guy did it as well and has not been punished.

We seem to have made a society of boys who whine it's not fair and stamp their feet when things aren't exactly what they want when they want it.

Well I'll tell everyone that thinks it is PGI's fault because of rng the same thing I tell m wife's 11 year old. LIFE IS NOT FAIR and whoever suggested it was is lying to you and probably trying to defraud you.

Men accept the consequences come what may and get on with it; boy's whine it isn't fair and throw tantrums (disconnecting etc was throwing a tantrum).

The short sightedness of those disconnecting are going to have consequences for everyone. It is now likely that PGI will apply strict rules and punishments for disconnects to everyone and people who have done nothing wrong will be punished under those rules. That is a consequence of this sort of selfishness.

I say this knowing I have had caustic valley only once during the entire weekend that I got 191 and will not be able to play again before the end of the event (other than that one map I would've got a reward). So yes it was a frustrating mechanic. I had matches on maps I had already got where I had graphical glitches that meant I had to quit out and rejoin; I did this every time (as I always do) because that is what I would want other people to do in that position and it makes the game better.

Now PGI has to realise the event, whilst well intentioned, was problematic and if they ever intend to do anything like this again (which they should as it was different at least) they need to take account of the random map issue and the disconnect issue. I would suggest either set a total score target or only have to get x out of y maps.

[Yokaiko]

Greyhart, on 22 September 2015 - 04:07 AM, said:

Now PGI has to realise the event, whilst well intentioned, was problematic and if they ever intend to do anything like this again (which they should as it was different at least) they need to take account of the random map issue and the disconnect issue. I would suggest either set a total score target or only have to get x out of y maps.

Problematic?

That is about the most diplomatic side of the mouth talking I have heard yet.

Its crap.

[GernMiester]

So what they are saying is
"we made a really bad tournament that promotes disconnecting and now we are going to punish people for our incredible lack of foresight. We are FORCING to play"

HAHA, yeah... NO!

So now you just rush right to the enemy team as fast as possible. Problem solved.
What you gonna do PGI suspend players for dying too fast??
LOL, that will surely attract new players.

Hey look an ant on the sidewalk, hurry up and get the 20lb sledgehammer to kill it. Yeah the ant is dead but now you ruined the sidewalk. Brilliant.

What is even funnier is that they use the stupid twitter account and not some in game announcement when you login or start a match. GENIUS!


So many laughs.......

[Yokaiko]

GernMiester, on 22 September 2015 - 04:11 AM, said:

What is even funnier is that they use the stupid twitter account and not some in game announcement when you login or start a match. GENIUS!


So many laughs.......

Yeah no where on the forums do they even mention it.

I wonder if it was just to keep the twitterds happy.

[MeiSooHaityu]

GernMiester, on 22 September 2015 - 04:11 AM, said:

So what they are saying is
"we made a really bad tournament that promotes disconnecting and now we are going to punish people for our incredible lack of foresight. We are FORCING to play"

I wasn't aware PGI was FORCING me to do anything. I didn't see anything like "complete the challenge or lose your account". I'm pretty sure players had an option to participate or not, after all, I didn't play the tournament and my account is still active and everything is ok.

Seriously, everyone knows the tournament was crap, and that is why I didn't bother with it. I just played as I normally do.

That is one of the options people had. Play like normal, try and complete the challenge properly, or be a d-bag and DC till you got the map you wanted. We all have options, but don't defend terrible behavior with some BS line like PGI forced me to DC.

Was the tourney crap, yes. Should we complain about it, yes. Should PGI suspend intentional DCers, yes. All said and done, if you broke the rules it was a choice you made, you weren't forced, so deal with the consequences.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"I asked why it wasn't excuseable"

Because you are responsible for your own actions, regardless of incentives.

"PGI made me do it" is not a valid excuse, and is rather pathetic.

[TWIAFU]

Yokaiko, on 22 September 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

Yeah no where on the forums do they even mention it.

I wonder if it was just to keep the twitterds happy.

Mention what? That exploiting this Tourny is against the CoC?

[PyckenZot]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2015 - 04:25 AM, said:

Was the tourney crap, yes. Should we complain about it, yes. Should PGI suspend intentional DCers, yes. All said and done, if you broke the rules it was a choice you made, you weren't forced, so deal with the consequences.

No it was not crap! It was freakishly frustrating for all of us OCD'ers that just HAD to GET all the goodies. If you stayed up playing hours on end to get some free premium time, MC and C-bills that is your choice. Don't blame PGI for your own obsessive behaviour.

I had a good time levelling my remaining DireWolves up and yes it frustrated me not to get the maps I wanted but still I had a good time playing. (What I would have done anyway but in different mechs). What really annoyed me was the idiotic disco/suicide crowd

[Yokaiko]

No more like the more you can make the rest of the "community"...........and I use that term loosely............miserable the more it hits the morons that develope the game.

TWIAFU, on 22 September 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

Mention what? That exploiting this Tourny is against the CoC?

No silly, THAT SLAPS ON THE WRIST WILL BE HAD


Russ Bullock ‏[color=#B1BBC3]@[/color]russ_bullock 16h16 hours ago[/color]

We have started suspensions for those we find disconnecting and or blow themselves up at the start of match
and **** him it wasn't important enough for them to do anything over the weekend.[/color]

Edited by Yokaiko, 22 September 2015 - 04:36 AM.

[NeoCodex]

GernMiester, on 22 September 2015 - 04:11 AM, said:

So what they are saying is
"we made a really bad tournament that promotes disconnecting and now we are going to punish people for our incredible lack of foresight. We are FORCING to play"

HAHA, yeah... NO!

So now you just rush right to the enemy team as fast as possible. Problem solved.
What you gonna do PGI suspend players for dying too fast??
LOL, that will surely attract new players.

Hey look an ant on the sidewalk, hurry up and get the 20lb sledgehammer to kill it. Yeah the ant is dead but now you ruined the sidewalk. Brilliant.

What is even funnier is that they use the stupid twitter account and not some in game announcement when you login or start a match. GENIUS!


So many laughs.......

I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THIS BUT HE IS RIGHT.

THE WAY THEY DO THINGS IS SHAMEFUL AND LAUGHABLE.

Edited by NeoCodex, 22 September 2015 - 04:40 AM.

[TWIAFU]

Yokaiko, on 22 September 2015 - 04:36 AM, said:

No more like the more you can make the rest of the "community"...........and I use that term loosely............miserable the more it hits the morons that develope the game.




No silly, THAT SLAPS ON THE WRIST WILL BE HAD


Russ Bullock ‏[color=#B1BBC3]@[/color]russ_bullock 16h16 hours ago[/color]

We have started suspensions for those we find disconnecting and or blow themselves up at the start of match
and **** him it wasn't important enough for them to do anything over the weekend.[/color]

Like this from Saturday?

http://mwomercs.com/...ament-exploits/

[Yokaiko]

TWIAFU, on 22 September 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

Like this from Saturday?

http://mwomercs.com/...ament-exploits/

Different subject that was a certain unit that happened to DOUBLE the rest of the definitely no colluding going on CW top ten.

[MeiSooHaityu]

PyckenZot, on 22 September 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

No it was not crap! It was freakishly frustrating for all of us OCD'ers that just HAD to GET all the goodies. If you stayed up playing hours on end to get some free premium time, MC and C-bills that is your choice. Don't blame PGI for your own obsessive behaviour.

I had a good time levelling my remaining DireWolves up and yes it frustrated me not to get the maps I wanted but still I had a good time playing. (What I would have done anyway but in different mechs). What really annoyed me was the idiotic disco/suicide crowd

I'm glad you had fun overall (and especially glad of the fact you stuck to your morales and competed in it honestly).

The reason I say it is crap is because the completion of the challenge relied heavily on the map rotation. It is a huge factor in completing the challenge and yet at the same time it is completely out of control of the participant. From my experiences with the game, I know there is entire days that I won't see a map come up in rotation. To base a challenge on that as a major driving mechanic is really poor judgement on PGIs fault IMO.

I will say too. I am very disappointed with some people on here that I valued their opinion and thought they were standup players. Now I see them typing about how they damaged, legged, or TK'd other players in the name of vigilante revenge. It just kind of bums me out honestly. It might be yet another indirect reason of why this challenge was a bad one. Sad.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

crashlogic, on 22 September 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

Blaming the cheaters

fixed that for you. If I have to follow the rules so does everyone else. This shouldnt be up for debate

Frosty Brand, on 21 September 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

Annnd more I'm on a disc wiki walk.yay.

I rented Hogfather lol

[PyckenZot]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 September 2015 - 04:45 AM, said:

The reason I say it is crap is because the completion of the challenge relied heavily on the map rotation. It is a huge factor in completing the challenge and yet at the same time it is completely out of control of the participant. From my experiences with the game, I know there is entire days that I won't see a map come up in rotation. To base a challenge on that as a major driving mechanic is really poor judgement on PGIs fault IMO.

I completely understand the point, but in the end it is just as crap as the lotery is. You have good luck or bad luck, and can try to change the odds by playing more,... In the end, the challenge tells more about us then it does about PGI.

[Yokaiko]

Lotteries give out more than $50 bucks.

[Daelen Rottiger]

This event might not have been planed well. Yes, it might have been frustrating. Yes, PGI might have made mistakes.

But again here is the CoC - it doesn't matter if there was an event going on. DCing, suicide on purpose or using an issue for the personal gain is against the CoC. Event or not!


Exploiting / Griefing / Non-Participation
Our definition of Exploiting / Griefing includes:

• Wilfully or repeatedly destroying Teammate or Lancemate 'Mechs.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly self-destructing one's 'Mech by Overheating or going Out-of-Bounds
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly disconnecting during a match.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly spamming in-game chat.
  
• Persistent non-participation in core game mechanics.
  
• Wilfully or repeatedly taking advantage of an issue for personal gain.

To reiterate and clarify the Terms of Use on Prohibited Conduct: As an online game and an ongoing development, we do expect issues to be discovered by players. In cases where an issue can provide an unfair advantage, players are expected to refrain from manipulating these issues. Accidental triggering of an issue will rarely be of concern, though repeated abuse of any such issue reported to us will frequently be met with a warning or sanction. Intentionally joining a match for the sole purpose of disrupting gameplay through any means could be considered actionable.

[PyckenZot]

Yokaiko, on 22 September 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Lotteries give out more than $50 bucks.

So they frustrate you more? What is your point?