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[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vlad Ward, on 21 September 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

You know who also might not be coming back?

new ppl

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

Again though, why not fix design and set the policy going forward? Same effect at the end of the day.

3 YEARS of history working against this idea

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:

no; you dont want to be made to provide proof youre making up. Its pretty damn clear actually.

Here, I got a better one for you.

Thunderklaws@yahoo.com
Dump email I use so I dont care about giving it out. send me an email.

Dude! I don't have a signed and sealed contract written in blood that details every step of how it was done.

I can simply explain to you how this was done in prior tournaments and other events based upon our contacts with other units and offers we were approached with (and no we did not accept any of them).

Its not like anything I write to you will be any more convincing than what I can tell you. You'll either believe me based upon how the tournaments shook out and how the scores were arranged or you won't.

The unit deals and exploits we've seen are not codified and written down and are all done verbally; many are completely legitimate and many are not. Now will you please stop forcing me to write this on the forums as it is borderline in violation of the recent dev request.

Talk to me if you want and I can explain to you what has been done in the past. It's not like an email will be any more convincing than a verbal explanation. I'm not sending you any emails or writing anything down for you, you can stop by and talk to me in person or just think what you want.

Edited by Blueduck, 21 September 2015 - 07:27 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

It is very poor business to start using a hammer on large portions of your customer base especially if it was associated with a flaw in the vendors service.

It is a even worse one to run a game and let the players of that game make the rules for themselves

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Dude! I don't have a signed an sealed contract written in blood the details every step of how it was done.

so you dont have any proof now that Ive given you a clear way to give you said info.

Could have just said that up front

oh wait I did

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 21 September 2015 - 07:27 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

It is a even worse one to run a game and let the players of that game make the rules for themselves



so you dont have any proof now that Ive given you a clear way to give you said info.

Could have just said that up front

oh wait I did

One final comment, deals between units are cut verbally for the obvious reason that we don't see eachother in real life.

Believe what you want and I was honestly being a bit nice by offering to explain to you how these deals resulted in some tournament shakeups.

I've wasted enough time and was frankly being nice in explaining to you how they shake out. Believe what you want, I honestly don't care and I'm out.

[RavenKnight86]

Quick question. What if someone decides it's not the map they need so they Rambo into the other team, obviously die quickly, then DC to start another match, is that against the rules?

[InspectorG]

RavenKnight86, on 21 September 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Quick question. What if someone decides it's not the map they need so they Rambo into the other team, obviously die quickly, then DC to start another match, is that against the rules?

Technically, likely only violates a 'spirit of play' terms but if enough players screen cap you doing this its gonna be hard to deny you were suicide-ing to farm maps.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

One final comment, deals between units are cut verbally for the obvious reason that we don't see eachother in real life.

so... no proof. Right. You could have said that to start. Wasted a lot less time all in all lol

[RavenKnight86]

Yes but how could they prove it to be suiciding to farm maps and not just an overextension?

[Maelstrum]

I can't blame PGI. I was frustrated at the DCers and Suiciders for letting me down. But I still managed to succeed proving PGI did a great job, at least for me. They even lowered the requirements when they heard the community was annoyed about it.

The whole thing feels a bit like the Tortoise and the Hare: they might accelerate their map opportunities by DCing but they're maybe leaving behind the correct Mech for the fight, or the good modules. Or even the proper mindset, clouded by haste and greed.

So even if the DCers and Suiciders seem to ruin you day, just relax. Enjoy the tournament. Enjoy your mech. Get the reward or not, it hardly matters. I made around 6 mil simply by playing during the event. The rewards are an extra. A sweet carrot that keeps drawing us in, but shouldn't feel like a chore.

All the while, I got to get better attuned with my Arctic Cheetah and improved my Direwolf. Those were much more fun and entertaining than obsessing over the rewards.

Edited by Mlstrum, 21 September 2015 - 08:37 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RavenKnight86, on 21 September 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

Quick question. What if someone decides it's not the map they need so they Rambo into the other team, obviously die quickly, then DC to start another match, is that against the rules?

if so cbill grinding would be illegal

RavenKnight86, on 21 September 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

Yes but how could they prove it to be suiciding to farm maps and not just an overextension?

or getting repeatedly caught out away from the team and murdered - like when I ever bring lrms in a CW game

Mlstrum, on 21 September 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

I can't blame PGI. I was frustrated at the DCers and Suiciders for letting me down. But I still managed to succeed proving PGI did a great job, at least for me. They even lowered the requirements when they heard the community was annoyed about it.

The whole thing feels a bit like the Tortoise and the Hare: they might accelerate their map opportunities by DCing but they're maybe leaving behind the correct Mech for the fight, or the good modules. Or even the proper mindset, clouded by haste and greed.

So even if the DCers and Suiciders seem to ruin you day, just relax. Enjoy the tournament. Enjoy your mech. Get the reward or not, it hardly matters. I made around 6 mil simply by playing during the event. The rewards are an extra. A sweet carrot that keeps drawing us in, but shouldn't feel like a chore.

All the while, I got to get better attuned with my Arctic Cheetah and improved my Direwolf. Those were much more fun and entertaining than obsessing over the rewards.

Your name names me think of
http://wiki.lspace.o...ustrum_Ridcully

[RavenKnight86]

Well at first I didn't mind it, but when nearly every match tonight has a couple discos, well let's just say I reported every single one.

[Alex Morgaine]

This thread is why I called it after 5 or 6 rounds. Not worth the head ache.

[Weeny Machine]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

No, the suicides and suspensions were a natural consequence o the mistakes made in setting up this event. Had the disconnect monitor actually worked at the beginning, things would have been fine. But after charging people with DC's after they were killed (whihc was contrary to event rules) their fix was to remove the DC penalty. When coupled with the fact that the random maps were heavily weighted towards two maps or maybe three, map farming became inevitable. This falls on PGI not the DC/Suiciders.

I can understand that the RNG made people furious (I felt so, too). It was bad game design
I can understand that some people suicided after seeing 4 AFKers/DCers in their team
I can NOT understand that some ****** mass DC - even after the score was lowered. Why? Simply because if you played regularly at the weeked and do not totally suck, you should have at least tier 1 reward

[Alex Morgaine]

Annnd more I'm on a disc wiki walk.yay.

[Crosell]

shrugs if i get a temp ban for a few rages its justily deserved. I'll taking a break from this game anyways, rng bs leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I gotta wash the salt away with something else haha.

[MischiefSC]

So I finished with 2 maps on CW that I didn't get over 300 on; primarily because I had, after grinding CW for 3 days, 2 total drops on Sulfur (292 top score) and 280 on 3 total drops on Vitric. It sucks, it's frustrating and it means I missed out on the Tier 2 rewards for CW literally because the way CW works if you don't play at a time when everyone else does there's too few teams on each world you're not going to rotate maps.

What I didn't do was disco, because then I would be a feeble little *****. I could also have just played 1 mech on them and ran and hid and powered down after doing good damage with a long range mech and ending, win or lose, without having lost a mech.

That's the nature of the contest. I would say that the RNG nature of CW especially made it pretty crappy but, again, that's the nature of the contest.

You want to tell PGI that these sorts of RNG events are not fun? Go ahead.

Cheating though? That just makes you weak. Complaining that you then got in trouble when you got caught cheating is even more feeble. We all make mistakes, accept accountability and move forward.

[Yokaiko]

Did Bishop steal that account, that is about his level of White Knightedness,

You spent three days without getting the T2 (that would be about 2.5 more than me), but its cool.

No its not, three days of game time is silly.

[stoogah]

I bet that the dc's are the same ppl who will trample you to death when they see 20% discount in a store. They just can't afford losing 6 days premium and 6kk cbills... Idk where are you ppl from but here we are rooting out such behavior when kids are in kindergarten.
And we are still talking about few $ worth of content...

[crashlogic]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

It is a even worse one to run a game and let the players of that game make the rules for themselves

PGI made the rules though, and then failed to implement them. ewWhen the sytem did not work, the event should have been postponed. Blaming the players, is missing the forest for the trees.

[MischiefSC]

Yokaiko, on 22 September 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

Did Bishop steal that account, that is about his level of White Knightedness,

You spent three days without getting the T2 (that would be about 2.5 more than me), but its cool.

No its not, three days of game time is silly.

I would have played anyway. However I agree, completely, that the RNG mechanic is unenjoyable - that, and the incredibly intentionally terribad design of the Black Knight have given me a big negative feeling about PGI in general. So much so that I'm strongly tempted to cancel my Marauder preorder, just because I have no faith, nor any single reason to have faith, that PGI won't go out of their way to make it terribad. Like not even Tier 2, I mean like tier3/tier4.

HOWEVER.

I can be pissed at PGI for a badly designed event (Tukayyid was one of the worst designed events I've ever seen by any game. Ever. It was impossible for the Clans to lose. Compound that with it having been 2 years and PGI is literally still saying 'Clans are, overall, about 60% stronger and out of balance'. Two years? Two ******* years? I've never seen another game, another PvP MOBA game, where they'd leave something broken for 2 years. It boggles me) and a number of other complaints. I can say the event was bad, even with the high rewards -

but my being dissatisfied with PGI without saying it's okay for me to cheat/exploit/be a jacka$$. See how that works? One is me holding PGI accountable. I've already asked to have my Resistance 2 pack order changed to a Mauler ala carte (since I've already played it, or I'd ask for a full cancel) and am probably going to cancel my Marauder pre-order because I'm dissatisfied with how PGI is handling their business and in the quality of the game that they are providing.

The other is me holding myself accountable and responsible for not being a jacka$$, a cheater and a punk. My being upset with PGI in no way, shape or form makes it okay to be a jacka$$, a cheater/exploiter and a punk - which the suicide/disco/cheats stuff would do and did do. If I had snapped and done so I'd expect to be in trouble, I'd accept my punishment and feel ashamed for having been a jacka$$, a cheater/exploiter and a punk and try to be a better person next time.

Because nobody at all is responsible for my actions but me. Because I'm an adult.