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[Mister Blastman]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

No, the suicides and suspensions were a natural consequence o the mistakes made in setting up this event.

LOL. No.

[Damien Tokala]

Pgi offered this contest out of love for their playerbase, they trusted those players to not abuse the system for personal gain, because what they did went specifically against the terms of conduct that have been written since the start!

And now people are too damn greedy to care, using an any means necessary approach to get a free mech pack.

They abused the system, and other players for their own personal gain, they are not players I want in my community, I say ban them.

[crashlogic]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Why do you insist on defending the fact that these people abused the system for their own gain? Furthermore you defend their ignorance of the TOS, which clearly states that they are not allowed to do what they just did!

Again you miss the point, not defending them, just saying PGI's failure is the disease and they are the symptom

Mister Blastman, on 21 September 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

LOL. No.

well argued, not

[Damien Tokala]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Again you miss the point, not defending them, just saying PGI's failure is the disease and they are the symptom


well argued, not

****** excuse. Regardless, they should never have abused the system. They should have played like every honest player, instead of toxic greedy children.

[MischiefSC]

I make plenty of mistakes.

I don't expect to avoid the consequences for them.

If someone does something stupid it's going to have a consequence. That's not unreasonable or inappropriate. A mistake would be nor having a consequence, as then those of us who didn't cheat/exploit/et al are comparatively punished for not exploiting.

Edited by MischiefSC, 21 September 2015 - 04:38 PM.

[crashlogic]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

Pgi offered this contest out of love for their playerbase, they trusted those players to not abuse the system for personal gain, because what they did went specifically against the terms of conduct that have been written since the start!

And now people are too damn greedy to care, using an any means necessary approach to get a free mech pack.

They abused the system, and other players for their own personal gain, they are not players I want in my community, I say ban them.

No PGI offered this contest to secure promotional advantages and advance its sales. Events are marketing tools to generate excitement among the player base. PGI is a business, and businesses have responsibilities to their customers. One of PGIS responsibilities was to make an event that runs smoothly and makes the customerbase happy. IN a game like MWO this is done by ensuring all players have a fair shot at completing the event. They did not do this, they failed/ If a guy DC's on you in a game, be angry at them, but PGI is in no position to punish its player base.

[Kira Onime]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Again you miss the point, not defending them, just saying PGI's failure is the disease and they are the symptom

You are delusional.

The failure falls onto the player base that can't follow the simplest of rules.
"Don't be a ****".

Players where {Richard Cameron} and now PGI is doing something about it.

[crashlogic]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

****** excuse. Regardless, they should never have abused the system. They should have played like every honest player, instead of toxic greedy children.

And it suprises you that given the opportunity to be greedy toxic children they did? What planet are you from? people will and do constantly play mwo like toxic greedy children. The question is not whether they are bad, but whether they should be punished. My answer is that PGI should not punish them adnw e should move on from a horrible toxic event

[Damien Tokala]

Just give everyone a base marauder, variant of their choosing.

[crashlogic]

Kira_Onime, on 21 September 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

You are delusional.

The failure falls onto the player base that can't follow the simplest of rules.
"Don't be a ****".

Players where {Richard Cameron} and now PGI is doing something about it.

You are the delusional one..read the forums. When have plyers ever followed that rule unless it was enforced?

[Kira Onime]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

You are the delusional one..read the forums. When have plyers ever followed that rule unless it was enforced?

So again you are turning the blame away from the cause of it.
Keep it up. Makes you look like a tool.

[crashlogic]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

Just give everyone a base marauder, variant of their choosing.

Its simpler than that, nextime make sure the disconnect prevention system works and that players will see each map equally.
I don't want a marauder, I didn't want the threshholds lowered, I wanted an event that worked. That is PGI's fualt, not the ****** who dc's on me out of frustration at not getting the maps he or she needed

Kira_Onime, on 21 September 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

So again you are turning the blame away from the cause of it.
Keep it up. Makes you look like a tool.

You need to result to insults rather than logic...sad really.
The cause is PGI not the players, that should be obvious.

Oh yeah, and reported for the tool comment. Personal insults are a violation of the TOS and you should be banned. Right? Or maybe I can put this in a bigger context and realize you were attacking me out of frustration? I dunno....

Edited by crashlogic, 21 September 2015 - 04:49 PM.

[Damien Tokala]

I'm pretty sure crash is just a troll. No one can be this stupid.

Unless he's Donald trump... Are you Donald trump?

[Kiiyor]

Well... good. I've sent in quite a few reports about this - only for repeat offenders though.

I understand the frustration behind not getting maps you really need to get, I really do - but seeing as though it can sometimes take me up to 10 minutes to get into a match, It really does impact my playtime and that of my teammates, and it isn't remotely fair for me to be responsible for a disconnecter's lack of patience.

It's not about the rules, or the design of the tournament; it's about not being a jerk.

Edit: This whole thing made me think of a post I read on the League of Legends forums about disconnects.

http://boards.na.lea...legends-players

Quote

This is an online game. In most cases, your child is playing with real people. Please take a moment to understand how this game's person-to-person interaction functions. In the past, I have seen numerous stories of children who routinely disconnect mid-game because it's bedtime, or their parents decide that they've played enough for the day. Some of these stories have come from parents themselves, proudly stating that they are firm about making their children stop playing at a specific time.

While it is admirable that you are teaching children some responsibility to schedules, please stop neglecting to teach them responsibility to other people. Unless your child is playing a Custom Game, his actions will permanently affect the statistics of up to 9 other people. Don't enforce behavior that involves disregarding other people. Do you want your child being callous to people in face-to-face situations too?

While they're talking about children, and the impact of a DC in that game has much more impact than in ours, I think it's still a nice point.

Edited by Kiiyor, 21 September 2015 - 04:59 PM.

[crashlogic]

Mister Blastman, on 21 September 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

Typical Millennial™ defective mentality--"It isn't my fault man! They made me do it! It's unfair!"

PGI didn't make them quit. PGI didn't hold a gun to their head. The player made a conscious choice to leave the game early.

No PGI rewarded them for doing so. Their decision to quit is both rational and understandable given the conditions. That does not make it right, Just part of a bigger problem.

[Leiska]

Players are like electricity: you have to handle it carefully or you risk electrocuting yourself. Do you blame electricity when your ****** device malfunctions and zaps you? No, you blame yourself. Like electricity, players take the path of least resistance. Expecting anything else is a shocking display of naivete.

[Kira Onime]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

Its simpler than that, nextime make sure the disconnect prevention system works and that players will see each map equally.
I don't want a marauder, I didn't want the threshholds lowered, I wanted an event that worked. That is PGI's fualt, not the ****** who dc's on me out of frustration at not getting the maps he or she needed


You need to result to insults rather than logic...sad really.
The cause is PGI not the players, that should be obvious.

Oh yeah, and reported for the tool comment. Personal insults are a violation of the TOS and you should be banned. Right? Or maybe I can put this in a bigger context and realize you were attacking me out of frustration? I dunno....

You're trying to defend douchebagery.
What else is there to say? You're just as wrong as the ones doing it. But hey keep doing it, you're doing an amazing job!

[AssaultPig]

people respond to incentives; PGI heavily incentivized problematic behavior.

it's unreasonable to expect people to just pretend that incentive doesn't exist; players behaving badly is a totally predictable response to a scenario they created.

[Otto Cannon]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

Pgi offered this contest out of love for their playerbase, they trusted those players to not abuse the system

Oh man, I haven't laughed like that in a while.

Events are to boost numbers at weekends to make the matchmaking less broken. I'm sorry to break this to you kid, but they don't love us- just our money. There wouldn't have been auto disqualification based on disconnect detection if they were daft enough to trust players- it just didn't work.

[Mister Blastman]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 04:50 PM, said:

No PGI rewarded them for doing so. Their decision to quit is both rational and understandable given the conditions. That does not make it right, Just part of a bigger problem.

Rewarded them for quitting? Go away. Leave the forums now.

Your reasoning is selfishness at its best.

Who do you need to score high?
-Your teammates.

Who do your teammates need to score high?
-You.

Who do you hurt by quitting?
-Your teammates.

Quitting is as selfish as it gets. You force eleven other players to waste their time by being a man down and quite possibly losing their drop and all chances of scoring high enough themselves to meet their goal.

You Sir, for a boy with "logic" in his name, are not logical, at all.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 21 September 2015 - 04:57 PM.