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#41 Saint Scarlett Johan

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:05 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 23 September 2015 - 09:30 PM, said:

"Wait for the enemy Deathball" he says, in his Hunchback.
I do believe that was a sub 200 game for you...I wonder why? Might be mistaken, didn't bother taking a Screen. 8 sub 200 players is nothing to mention; far too common.


He was in two matches back to back bitching at his team, both were sub-200 games in a Hunchback 4P.

#42 Y E O N N E

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:05 PM

Nobody listens to you because you rage and verbally abuse people in chat when things don't go your way. I've lost count of the number of times we've crushed your team and somebody from your side says something along the lines of "There he goes again," no doubt prompted by one of your tirades. As a result, any attempts at constructive feedback you might make are built on a foundation of hate and conceit. Ergo, in this thread you are witnessing the collapse of your attempts at enlightenment into your self-made swamp.

Nobody will honestly care how good you are at shooting 'Mechs, or what you have to say about others' abilities in shooting 'Mechs, until you stop throwing tantrums in-game. It's that simple, honestly.

So, until you decide to join civilized society, or even the human race at large:

Carry harder.

#43 Narcissistic Martyr

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:09 PM

OP... I think you need a hug...

#44 Escef

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:20 PM

View PostNarcissistic Martyr, on 23 September 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

OP... I think you need a hug...


That or a swift kick in the ***.

#45 Cerberias

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:21 PM

@yeonne - do you think I care? Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of times people have told me pretty much exactly what you have. Do you think I care at all about the pathetic excuse for humanity we're displaying on the larger scale? I could change the title of this thread to 'humanity is a cesspool of idiocy' quite easily, and I'd still argue that observation just as hard, but with a largely magnified anger factor. I don't delude myself, I'll probably die young due to my anger, but it's better than living among this pathetic excuse for 'civilised society' as you so simplistically define. I've tried many, many times to argue this politely in past (in previous games and this one, including creating videos/guides etc..), using all the accepted 'polite' mannerisms, and you know where it gets you? Nowhere. People don't listen either way, they don't think enough to learn, and I've stopped expecting them to. This is more like a release for me now, a place where I let out a small portion of my rage.

@scarlett, got the screenies? I only played two games in the hunchie today, one was ~450 damage other was regrettably a team-stomp with sub-par damage I'll admit (~170). If you think damage numbers are completely up to the individual, however, you're just as simple as the rest.

#46 Novakaine

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:33 PM

View PostMazzyplz, on 23 September 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:


is this supposed to be hannibal? i am not sure if this is accurate; i was under the impression he looked like north africans - like algerians or moroccans

i know some revisionists are pushing hard for him to be part of black studies etc -
but that's all fairly new and based on what? this is a statue of the man from antiquity and his brother basdrugal - from their own coins... this is a painting from a little bit after i believe - the straight or aquilean nose kinda give it away

sorry but i absolutely reject revisionist history

i am sure you can make your case for black rolemodels without resorting to fabrication - if that's what you wanted to do


And so do I, my friend.
Seriously man I just picked a leader.
To illustrate my point.
He just just happens to be African.
My first choice was Patton, but being Black I chose Hannibal.
I'm a war history buff.
And you do realize it's all the same continent.
But to make you feel better........
Posted Image

Edited by Novakaine, 23 September 2015 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:56 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

@yeonne - do you think I care? Honestly, I've lost count of the amount of times people have told me pretty much exactly what you have. Do you think I care at all about the pathetic excuse for humanity we're displaying on the larger scale? I could change the title of this thread to 'humanity is a cesspool of idiocy' quite easily, and I'd still argue that observation just as hard, but with a largely magnified anger factor. I don't delude myself, I'll probably die young due to my anger, but it's better than living among this pathetic excuse for 'civilised society' as you so simplistically define. I've tried many, many times to argue this politely in past (in previous games and this one, including creating videos/guides etc..), using all the accepted 'polite' mannerisms, and you know where it gets you? Nowhere. People don't listen either way, they don't think enough to learn, and I've stopped expecting them to. This is more like a release for me now, a place where I let out a small portion of my rage.

@scarlett, got the screenies? I only played two games in the hunchie today, one was ~450 damage other was regrettably a team-stomp with sub-par damage I'll admit (~170). If you think damage numbers are completely up to the individual, however, you're just as simple as the rest.



People play the game for different reasons. If you want to win, and your team is not doing what you think they need to do in order to win then say something in chat or comms. This is a game, and it's not a game with a widely known comp scene tradition like CS. Expecting people to play like this is a comp CS match is going to make you frustrated. People aren't idiots just because they make decisions in video games that aren't the best for winning a match, maybe they're in it to stomp around and chill. I get frustrated with the game too, but blaming others because your requirements for fun aren't being met is counter productive. If you really want to stop being frustrated, change your expectations for the PUG queue or make a unit and work on team tactics, and do group drops. Playing with like-minded competitive individuals is a really great experience because you can evolve as a group and you all share the same goal of improving and winning. Negativity is never needed where there's a solution, no matter how much work the solution might take.

#48 Cerberias

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:11 PM

I'm hardly asking people to play this like a comp CS match.. i'm asking people to not tape their W key down. :s You are correct though, I'll stick to premade groups from now on. The problem being that when you win 99% of your games it's not exactly fun for anyone either.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:17 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

I agree that heavy sniping is a great tactic for CW, however, most of the mechs you've listed are terrible sniping mechs. You've just shown me how little you understand about the game if you think the king crab, enforcer, tbolt etc.. can actually 'snipe'. Stalkers beat the pants off a battlemaster in terms of exposure (for the same tonnage.., hence why it's such a terrible mech (not to mention torso twist means you can even fire while moving to keep heads down). You also think that CW means anything, considering none of the good teams even play it anymore because it's such a terrible game-mode I find that quite amusing.

However, you very clearly have only a foundational understanding of literacy skills, showcased by the mis-paraphrasing of half my text, creation of strawmen where there are none etc.. you'll have no more of my time, troll.

As for the rest of the responses, it's pretty much what I was expecting... a mixture of 'Brawling is more fun' and 'I don't think when I'm in pug games'. I especially love the people commending each-other on their simplicity, even going so far as to say that 'half the team will hover at or below the 200 damage mark, because they thought it was a good idea to hover and let the enemy deathball catch them' (paraphrasing). Here's a newsflash, mechs... move at different speeds, and spawn in different spots. An assault lance on the left hand flank needs assistance or the enemy lights/meds will catch them and core their rears. People who do as you say, are losing the game for themselves simply by not supporting their team, and are infact causing those people to get <200 damage. You're just too simple to realise it.

@aniviron, the game still has that capability, it's the players that hold it back. Also, are the suggestions I propose really complicated? Not rushing forward and creating a firing line for the enemies charge? Using cover sporadically? Heh...


I get it if you've never played IS for CW. However the STalker is a terrible sniper - LLs can't out-range Clans. BLR 1S can poke happily out to 1800m with only a 1 second burn time, tons of DHS and running at great speed it's arguably the best IS sniper for long maps. The X4 can range it but only carries 2 ERLLs and is pretty helpless faced with an ACH or the like.

Plenty of comp teams play CW. Emp, KCom, 228, CJS, I see them all the time, and others who are close to that tier like Tool and DERP. There are plenty of groups that don't and I get why - that doesn't mean they don't play in CW.

Your failure to effectively communicate isn't something anyone here can or will fix. I get that you want to feel like you have a valuable opinion but it's just an opinion, poorly expressed and as all the responses here point out ineffectual. You want people to snipe more and support you while you snipe and casual players are casual. Okay. Congrats with that.

View PostKrivvan, on 23 September 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

"Competitive" and "CW" are almost oxymorons. :P

But really, most competitive teams don't play much CW. It gives you bad habits. Like playing too much PvE in other games.


Let me put it this way -

In the context of PGI created and maintained queues, pug/group/CW, which is the most overall competitive?

Group queue sometimes can be but that's a product of luck and nothing else. Largely it's where people go to derp with their friends. When people do roll 12man in CW it's generally playing to win.

I would put player run contests and tournaments to be a different game environment all together.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:24 PM

The problem is that the map quality needs to go up aswell the most important ones: the tools for communication. Both are lackng.

It's already pretty hard to 'steer' 12 random guys.

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Like my little gem?

Jokes aside: you still see the very same old rusty behaviour for example on the new River City and Forest Colony. Citadel and on Colony all cranked up in H/G line in the very centre of the map.

VOIP quality needs to go up, rewardsystem needs a better rewards for teamplay, encourage teamplay, we need basic 'shout' lines as enemy spotted, going in cover, flanking or you name it.

Decent tool to produce more clear communication is missing. Communication is critical.

Quality of these tools need to go up. And i think it would solve a little bit more then we have now.

Edited by Sarlic, 24 September 2015 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:25 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 11:11 PM, said:

I'm hardly asking people to play this like a comp CS match.. i'm asking people to not tape their W key down. :s You are correct though, I'll stick to premade groups from now on. The problem being that when you win 99% of your games it's not exactly fun for anyone either.


Well if you could write out a basic team tactics guide that you use for group drops and adapt it for PUGs it would be a really great boost in knowledge for the community. The only reason nascar is a staple PUG tactic is because eventually one team wins. If there were a stickied guide to team combat showing how to set up firelines and use cover, position, use flanking correctly instead of nascar, the importance of getting all your teammates actively engaged instead of bottlenecking/being out of range, maybe it would change how the game is played as more people see it and use it in game.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:26 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 07:02 PM, said:

Waiting for the flames.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:27 PM

If you're running the 4N stalker chances are you're terrible. Try the 3H if you want range or 3F if you want twist/mobility/backup weapons. They're both far and away better than the battlemaster, combining higher mounted hardpoints with more space for DHS, and MUCH better damage spread.

The problem with CW being 'competitive' is that the format doesn't really provide a competitive framework. The objectives are arbitrary, the maps are poorly created/balanced, and quite often the matches are won by an un or late noticed push, not by outplaying the enemy in combat.

However, once again you're assuming that I want to snipe, which showcases just how little you've actually comprehended of my initial response. At no point did I even reference sniping, you're just reading with a personal bias or some sort of pseudo language.

@ haunt, finally, someone with intelligence and an actual response. Thankyou. However, I've created plenty of these things in the past and not one of them has made a difference. They take a lot of effort, and honestly, I'm burnt out as ****. I tried to offer some constructive criticism in this thread, but apparently everyone wants to focus on the 'insults', instead of being adults.

Edited by Cerberias, 23 September 2015 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:31 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

Of course I want puglandia to be a better place, or else I wouldn't have written this post. I don't care if I offend people, offence means nothing, get over it and learn. Be a goddamn adult.

@nova - I call instructions at the start of every game, people never listen, as soon as a blip is sighted they all rush it, without fail. I think herding cats is giving these idiots too much credit as rational thinking organisms. I'd use piranhas.


I've been pugging for the vast majority of my time since Closed Beta, and I've seen pugs be quite willing to listen to directions very often. However, those who are listened to are those who display a minimum of leadership skill and social awareness. In other words people who don't come off as being as likeable and useful as a wet skidmark om the stinky underpants of life.

Perhaps you have something to learn from those people.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:43 PM

If someone needs a 'please' and a 'thank-you' to listen to others, they're nothing more than children. You listen to people based off the merit of their ideas, not their language - or maybe I'm expecting too much from the proles.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:48 PM

the more aggressive team is gonna win 99% of the time in public games

the catch there is 'team.' If assaults actually move full speed and engage enemies, most of the time the rest of the team is gonna come with you.

If you sit in the back and wait for death, you wind up dead with 200 damage.

#57 Cerberias

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:52 PM

See that's interesting, 90% of the time the more aggressive team loses in my experience. Partially because they all run different speeds and the fast ones die before the heavies can get in, and partially because those meds/lights aren't around to fight the enemy lights/meds when they flank/rear-core the heavy movers. Firing line, however, works almost every time. It's hilarious to see a med round a corner and get alpha'd off the field instantly by a slightly patient team.

Of course, unified aggression against a piecemeal/spread team will win every time. That's incredibly rare though...

Edited by Cerberias, 23 September 2015 - 11:54 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:53 PM

View PostCerberias, on 23 September 2015 - 11:27 PM, said:

If you're running the 4N stalker chances are you're terrible. Try the 3H if you want range or 3F if you want twist/mobility/backup weapons. They're both far and away better than the battlemaster, combining higher mounted hardpoints with more space for DHS, and MUCH better damage spread.

The problem with CW being 'competitive' is that the format doesn't really provide a competitive framework. The objectives are arbitrary, the maps are poorly created/balanced, and quite often the matches are won by an un or late noticed push, not by outplaying the enemy in combat.

However, once again you're assuming that I want to snipe, which showcases just how little you've actually comprehended of my initial response. At no point did I even reference sniping, you're just reading with a personal bias or some sort of pseudo language.

@ haunt, finally, someone with intelligence and an actual response. Thankyou. However, I've created plenty of these things in the past and not one of them has made a difference. They take a lot of effort, and honestly, I'm burnt out as ****. I tried to offer some constructive criticism in this thread, but apparently everyone wants to focus on the 'insults', instead of being adults.


I only run the 3F because, while I <3 my fellow Davions, we are largely terrible at CW especially when pugging and you absolutely must have the mobility because you have to stay on the move and can not trust anyone to cover you.

I don't think you get the whole 'sniper' thing in CW for the IS. The BLR 1S runs a 400XL, 4xERLLs and 22 DHS. It also moves at 84 and can twist like a Timber Wolf. It has not just a 25% range buff but a 12.5% beam duration decrease and 10% heat reduction. If your enemy is closer than 1k then you need to back up. It's fast enough to hill-hump very effectively to make up for your greater fragility.

More critically however, again, it moves at 84 so you can reposition and fall back very, very easily compared to a Stalker. The Stalker is successful by going hull down and peeping your arm mounted LLs. However those lasers range out at ~1km and work best at 500m. This puts you well within CERML range. The Stalker is also only goes 63 and handles like a pig. You're likely to be overrun by Scrows or just about any Clan mechs in a push as you've got to position closer and can't move back. The Stalker works best on defense in narrow confines and sometimes on attack when you're pushing with a good team who isn't going to leave you behind. The BLR 1S is incredible on the long maps (like Boreal and Hellbore) where you can burn down 4ERLLs on a single target for only 1 second then twist quickly away and move into cover to deal with the painfully slow CERLLs and ERPPCs.

If you're trying to snipe in CW with a Stalker you're doing it wrong. You're going to be hill-humping at 500m, blunting enemy pushes and more or less brawling at 300-500m. You need to be under cover for the sniper stage of the match or you're just going to get chewed. It's a brilliant must-have mech in an organized team who's going to hold the line with you either advancing or retreating.

When pugging you're literally better off taking a WubMaster or WubShee; you need to move ~Scrow speed if not faster, even in assaults or your team will abandon you and you'll get overrun or left behind on pushes and waste your mech.

You posted this.

Also a lot of other goofy stuff in the first post.

Notice how pretty much everyone is this thread is not showing you any respect. Your opinion of yourself and what value you bring to the table is irrelevant. When leading or providing leadership what matters is your ability to get people to listen and agree with you. You've failed that, here and in the game. There isn't some debate about your success here, that subject has already been tested and settled. You're not communicating your points effectively.

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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:55 PM

View PostNovakaine, on 23 September 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:


And so do I, my friend.
Seriously man I just picked a leader.
To illustrate my point.
He just just happens to be African.
My first choice was Patton, but being Black I chose Hannibal.
I'm a war history buff.
And you do realize it's all the same continent.
But to make you feel better........
Posted Image


Posted Image

This was Hannibal, apparently.

Nice one though with Shaka Zulu, taking on a much more advanced military and winning some battles. While mainly having access to very primitive weapons.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 23 September 2015 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:59 PM

View PostNovakaine, on 23 September 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:


I'm a war history buff.



And you do not know Carthage was a Phoenician colony? Part of understanding a war is understanding the people in the war.

Edited by Homeskilit, 24 September 2015 - 12:00 AM.






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