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[J0anna]

Mister Blastman, on 24 September 2015 - 11:09 AM, said:

400 damage isn't much. 500+ is the benchmark you should strive for.

I read comments like this and realize this person never played golf (or if you did, you could have been much better). You need to learn how to sandbag your tier. Sure I could play to rise up in tiers, but what's the purpose? To be forced to play meta mechs all the time just to hold position? To constantly be with people who kill very quickly with minimal extra damage/component destructions? How is that making me more cbills?

There are very easy ways to lower your tier, or insure you never go up in tiers. So many people have it backwards. Just like learning how to maximize your cbill earnings, you need to learn how to control your tier. So keep reaching for tier 1, while I strive to stay below you and shoot Helen Keller in her mech - laughing all the way to the cbill bank....

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I decided to try out a meta build for my Ebon Jaguars today instead of the normal stuff I run. I'm in tier 3 and usually make maybe 100-150k on a loss after premium and mech bonus, up to 300k on a win with my normal builds. With an EBJ running dual ERLLs, 4 ERMLs and 2 MPLs with targetting comp and all the heat sinks possible I was making 200k on a loss on caustic with top damage and top score, on a win it was 300k easy with 3 solo kills and at least 4 assists.

It would seem to me that if instead of leveling my other mechs and playing with new loadouts if I had just run my elited EBJs and bought some modules for them (currently I only ever run with adv zoom and that wasn't even on the mech in these matches) that I would be beyond space rich and breaking the bar on T1, I don't even go down ever when I run the thing.

Think I'll just stick to trying to level quad PPC Black Knights through the fires of Mordor... at least until I can put money into a unit and let others take it out, then I'll go full space bank and then get all my buddies to buy Black Knights so we can all run around being terribads together.


Anyway, back to the topic, meta mechs = money mechs, that streak crow you are running will be rolling in the cbills, especially since its a prime with premium, being in tier 4 or 5 just makes it that much easier.

[Red Shrike]

Poisoner, on 24 September 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

What's wrong with a meta build?

Those things just don't sit right with me. If the standard loadout (or "stock" as some call it) were meta, then I'd be all for it. But it isn't, so I'm not.

[Lyoto Machida]

Mudhutwarrior, on 24 September 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

Rapists come in all ages and ability.

I will drive my non meta mechs and look for good fights instead.

Well, I'll have to defer to your knowledge there because I don't know any rapists personally in real life. If we're going with that analogy though, then those people driving Locusts were asking for it. I mean...look what they were driving.

[Throat Punch]

Timberwolf581, on 24 September 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

So your secret is a meta build? I think I'll pass.

There is no wrong way to Stormcrow.

[Red Shrike]

Mors Draco, on 24 September 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

There is no wrong way to Stormcrow.

Does that include running the standard ("stock") loadout?

[Mister Blastman]

Moenrg, on 24 September 2015 - 02:08 PM, said:

I read comments like this and realize this person never played golf (or if you did, you could have been much better). You need to learn how to sandbag your tier. Sure I could play to rise up in tiers, but what's the purpose? To be forced to play meta mechs all the time just to hold position? To constantly be with people who kill very quickly with minimal extra damage/component destructions? How is that making me more cbills?

There are very easy ways to lower your tier, or insure you never go up in tiers. So many people have it backwards. Just like learning how to maximize your cbill earnings, you need to learn how to control your tier. So keep reaching for tier 1, while I strive to stay below you and shoot Helen Keller in her mech - laughing all the way to the cbill bank....

Sandbagging is the biggest reason the tiers should be kept separate. If a player purposefully tries to throw a match he is ruining other people's games. Thus stick them in their own kiddie pool to play with all the sandbaggers (shadowban anyone?).

Perhaps we should have an option to check in the search box:

1. Play with all tiers
2. Play with own tier or worse
2. Play with own tier or better
3. Play with own tier only

[Throat Punch]

Timberwolf581, on 24 September 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Does that include running the standard ("stock") loadout?

If you can manage your heat, then whatever works for you! We don't judge down here in the Underhive. I saw a Stormcrow with a party cannon and some small lasers tearing it up today. I just prefer to streak it up.

[Throat Punch]

Mister Blastman, on 24 September 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Sandbagging is the biggest reason the tiers should be kept separate. If a player purposefully tries to throw a match he is ruining other people's games. Thus stick them in their own kiddie pool to play with all the sandbaggers (shadowban anyone?).

Perhaps we should have an option to check in the search box:

1. Play with all tiers
2. Play with own tier or worse
2. Play with own tier or better
3. Play with own tier only

Well, what determines if you are truly sandbagging, or, like in my case, are just average, but very very inconsistent? I can have a 900 damage match where i play hide and seek, hit and run, and stay with the fatties for covering fire, and the very next match get impatient and go off on my own and die with 50 damage done? My "xp bar" (i know its not xp but you know what im refering to) is slowly filling up and eventually I gander I'll climb out of tier 5 and into tier 4, but I'm not gonna stress over it and actively work towards some arbitrary goal, like I must get to T3. But at the same time I'm not actively trying to lose, because if I did than I wouldn't be able to roll in the c-bills and that would give me a sad. I think the way the tiers are structured with that "xp bar" is going to make it more difficult than you think to actually sandbag. I was on the "I" in Pilot yesterday on the "xp bar" and today I'm past the "O" so even tho I've lost quite a few times today, my wins are seemingly having more effect at this tier than losses are.

[Red Shrike]

Mors Draco, on 24 September 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

If you can manage your heat, then whatever works for you! We don't judge down here in the Underhive. I saw a Stormcrow with a party cannon and some small lasers tearing it up today. I just prefer to streak it up.

I prefer to run just about everything with the standard loadout.

[Lyoto Machida]

Mister Blastman, on 24 September 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Sandbagging is the biggest reason the tiers should be kept separate. If a player purposefully tries to throw a match he is ruining other people's games. Thus stick them in their own kiddie pool to play with all the sandbaggers (shadowban anyone?).

Perhaps we should have an option to check in the search box:

1. Play with all tiers
2. Play with own tier or worse
2. Play with own tier or better
3. Play with own tier only

How could you even tell if someone is sandbagging? Due to the way PGI set up the system, someone could run Locusts, legitimately try their best and their PSR would still probably tank. Aside from making someone take out their mastered, meta build TBR, how would you stop them from sandbagging in this regard? PSR by chassis or variant would do it but that's not the setup currently employed for matchmaking...

[Mister Blastman]

Lyoto Machida, on 24 September 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

How could you even tell if someone is sandbagging? Due to the way PGI set up the system, someone could run Locusts, legitimately try their best and their PSR would still probably tank. Aside from making someone take out their mastered, meta build TBR, how would you stop them from sandbagging in this regard? PSR by chassis or variant would do it but that's not the setup currently employed for matchmaking...

There is no way. It is pretty sad someone would sandbag, though. Just play with whatever you want to. You'll end up where you belong soon enough.

[Johny Rocket]

Im a Mercenary.
I love Tier 5, In the Underhive I am Death walking the worlds.

Im about to jump, because well, if you know how to play a mech not a style, leveling the BK is actually moving me ahead because in Tier5 it is OP.

Im in 5 because i decided to level every IS Medium and gave Banshees a try, Ive been leveling mechs for months. Then there is the bonus farming, I try to squeeze every drop out of them which usually produces lots of assists not many kills.
I grind pugs for the cbills to fund my wants, its pugs, I don't care about the win or kdr, to get a lot of damage you have to play aggressively and take risks. Lots of matches where I round a corner die quickly and call team to tell them "main force @ Charlie Niner" But sometimes I get lucky and my teammates are aggressive and I just murder everyone.

I posted a few vids in this thread that shows the glory of low rank, Maulers still in basics and and I just stomp everything I can get a shot on. Most of the time walking around exposed going where ever I want.

http://mwomercs.com/...ds/page__st__60

Call my a fem hygiene product but I say this is a lot like chess and there is a lesson in losing. The lesson here is screw the Meta, when faced with a murder ball focus fire the DPS mechs 1st or you're dead.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 24 September 2015 - 03:57 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

To be honest I kinda envy T5, I wish I could at least just look over a hill just slightly without taking dual gauss + ppc straight to the CT, from the sounds of it LRMs aren't even a thing down there.

[Red Shrike]

Dakota1000, on 24 September 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

To be honest I kinda envy T5, I wish I could at least just look over a hill just slightly without taking dual gauss + ppc straight to the CT

This.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Darn I got to stop using this EBJ if I want my T5 dreams to come true.



Flamer and machine gun loadout here I come.

(Side note: that was a 416k cbill match)

Edited by Dakota1000, 24 September 2015 - 05:20 PM.

[J0anna]

Mister Blastman, on 24 September 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Sandbagging is the biggest reason the tiers should be kept separate. If a player purposefully tries to throw a match he is ruining other people's games. Thus stick them in their own kiddie pool to play with all the sandbaggers (shadowban anyone?).

Yup not a golfer. Do you seriously think that is the only way to sandbag? Let me help you. Getting to close to tier one, drop in Adders or Mist Lynx instead of Artic Cheetahs. Drop in Shadow Hawks or Ice Feces instead of Storm Crows. Run Gargoyles (which I actually like)instead of Timber Wolves. Leg a enemy light mech and let someone else on your team get the kill. Given a choice, go for a component destruction vice a kill, let your teammates get the kill. Stay back and defend your missile boats/assaults from lights rather than scout/and go for flanks. Don't use consumables. There are many easy ways to lower your score without throwing a match (and that's all you need to do, lower your match score). And do you seriously think any of those actions deserve a ban? Do you think PGI could even detect it? There is no question I do not perform as well in a Shadow Hawk as I do in a Hunchback or Yen Lo, my average damage/KDR and match scores are all lower, yet I like to play in Shadow Hawks. Do you think PGI would actually ban me because I chose to use a less than optimal mech?

That's what I mean by how easy it is to sandbag. Nothing I have mentioned is even remotely against the EULA. All systems can be gamed and if you think it isn't happening - well you're wrong.

[Lightfoot]

Get the "W". I almost always go up with a Win and down with a Loss even with a very good outing.

[Vlad Ward]

Timberwolf581, on 24 September 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Does that include running the standard ("stock") loadout?

The stock Stormcrow prime is the strongest stock build in the game, and is nearly identical to the meta laservomit crow.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 24 September 2015 - 08:35 PM.

[stealthraccoon]

I just ran a few rocking games with my Locust 1E - ERPPC: it was embarrasing, and I don't mean for myself. I need to apologize to the Atlas pilot I took down (he put up a good fight, but when it's 11/11, he didn't stand a chance.

Also had a few great runs with 3V (2 mpl/2mg) - got 4 kills/440 dmg on Viridian, and I generally stink on that map.


if I'm not careful I might lose my T5 status

Edited by stealthraccoon, 24 September 2015 - 09:08 PM.