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[Finn McShae]

I'm hanging on to mine with BAP for the future "infowars" stuff, figure it might be useful.

Hopefully it will get quirks to help it toughen up a bit, its pretty flimsy to me, to the point where I'll just play something else until the Crab drops and the heavy queue shortens some.

Strangely the mech I was least interested in (Mauler) has become my favorite assault, hopefully the Crab doesn't disappoint like the BK has (so far).

[Victorion]

Ted Wayz, on 26 September 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

I pretty much see you defending it.

Then you are either delusional, or so biased that you're either refusing to admit it, or only seeing what you want to.

Take your pick, any option is pretty stupid when you have people 2 posts of you, quoting you and saying "uh I'm here too?"

Get over yourself and realize your aren't the center of everyone's universe, and only speak for yourself.

Edited by Victorion, 26 September 2015 - 04:47 PM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Those belly hard points are a bit low lol....

[Gas Guzzler]

I'm going to reserve final judgement on this thing until the CT adjustment goes live on the 6th. If it becomes a little.more durable then I might quite like my 6B.

[STEF_]

I'm struggling with this..."thing".
A contender for the worst heavy.

I hate to hit the floor even when I'm side-peeking.

[Ted Wayz]

Victorion, on 26 September 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Then you are either delusional, or so biased that you're either refusing to admit it, or only seeing what you want to.

Take your pick, any option is pretty stupid when you have people 2 posts of you, quoting you and saying "uh I'm here too?"

Get over yourself and realize your aren't the center of everyone's universe, and only speak for yourself.

Read the next four posts after yours.

Who is delusional?

[Felicitatem Parco]

I wrote an Open Letter to all Black Knight preorderers, like many of yourselves.

I do have to ask, why are you surprised at the Black Knight's performance if you already know what the Awesome 8Q was capable of? I mean, the BK is just a 75 ton alAwezome8Q without an engine cap.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 27 September 2015 - 08:11 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Prosperity Park, on 27 September 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I wrote an Open Letter to all Black Knight preorderers, like many of yourselves.

I do have to ask, why are you surprised at the Black Knight's performance if you already know what the Awesome 8Q was capable of? I mean, the BK is just a 75 ton alAwezome8Q without an engine cap.

We assumed the CT wouldn't be a damage magnet and that it would get quirks appropriate for a mech that has no high hardpoints. Duh.

Or you have people that just like to pokemech, and even they probably just hoped that it would be okay. If they fix the CT I can find use for the 6B despite the hardpoint height.

[Ted Wayz]

Prosperity Park, on 27 September 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I wrote an Open Letter to all Black Knight preorderers, like many of yourselves.

I do have to ask, why are you surprised at the Black Knight's performance if you already know what the Awesome 8Q was capable of? I mean, the BK is just a 75 ton alAwezome8Q without an engine cap.

Because if I believed every DOA post I wouldn't pilot anything.

In this case even a blind squirrel gets a nut.

[Ultimax]

Alistair Winter, on 26 September 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

Yep, I sure do. But it may be an issue at Tier 1, where more pilots are smart enough to aim their laservomit at the helmet, instead of trying to hit the torso. Against Tier 3 players, the BK hitboxes are more than ok. It spreads damage very well, as long as people are aiming at your torso.

https://www.reddit.c...r_how_much_you/



It's more than just the head, and if you look at that image you'll see pretty clearly why it does not in fact spread damage well.

[Alistair Winter]

Ultimatum X, on 27 September 2015 - 08:59 AM, said:

https://www.reddit.c...r_how_much_you/



It's more than just the head, and if you look at that image you'll see pretty clearly why it does not in fact spread damage well.

Jesus. How can they still mess up the hitboxes so badly in 2015?

Like seriously. They've had to fix the hitboxes on mechs so many times already, something like this should never happen anymore.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Alistair Winter, on 27 September 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

Jesus. How can they still mess up the hitboxes so badly in 2015?

Like seriously. They've had to fix the hitboxes on mechs so many times already, something like this should never happen anymore.

I think they are just barely keeping up with development and deadlines it seems like. Its almost like they expect to code hitboxes after a mech release.

[Ultimax]

Alistair Winter, on 27 September 2015 - 09:02 AM, said:

Jesus. How can they still mess up the hitboxes so badly in 2015?

Like seriously. They've had to fix the hitboxes on mechs so many times already, something like this should never happen anymore.

People keep paying them regardless of the quality and then actually follow that up by vociferously defending that purchase no matter how bad it was - both in threads like these, and on twitter.


They know they can sell it sight unseen, that people will buy it and that they can patch it to be not completely terrible a week or two later and still actually have some customers OK with that.


Just a guess.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 27 September 2015 - 09:47 AM.

[Johny Rocket]

Ted Wayz, on 26 September 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

I like Kintaros and Vindicators. Both are mobile without having to stuff the max engine in them. Vindicators have JJs to help with mobility. And when you twist, get this, the damage actually spreads. And the Vindi can twist like a mad man.

I have much better matches with both than the BK.

When someone says I have had 700 point matches...I just trail off. Of course you can have good matches with any mech. But when compared to other chassis do they consistently hold their own is the question. I am surprised when I do 700 damage in a Commando. Timberwolf, not so much.

Meanwhile for each response that someone tries to convince everyone the BK is good there is a post that goes up where scores of people say it is bad. In this case the majority truly rules.


I pretty much see you defending it.

I never said the CT can't use some love. They buff CT armor and structure with out messing with the ST this thing will be a solid flanker.

But I not only have a few scores North of 700 damage I have 2 variants starting to average 500 dmg, that's not to bad in my opinion.

EDIT: did I mention it is my only Heavy? Despise the whole class in general.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 27 September 2015 - 09:59 AM.

[Victorion]

Tractor Joe, on 27 September 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

I never said the CT can't use some love. They buff CT armor and structure with out messing with the ST this thing will be a solid flanker.

But I not only have a few scores North of 700 damage I have 2 variants starting to average 500 dmg, that's not to bad in my opinion.

EDIT: did I mention it is my only Heavy? Despise the whole class in general.

Yep, I just woke up and played my first match in my 6R 3x LPL 3x ML 2x AMS, BAP XL350 variant, and got this.



This is what I would consider to be my average match in the BK-6R now that I've Elited it. Once Elited, it run's much cooler, and in normal battle pace (I.E Ducking in and out of cover before firing, moving to flank, etc) it stays incredibly manageable. I'm also really appreciating the ML range bonus with a ML range module. ML's hitting out to LPL range is pretty sweet.

Good matches will be around the 750~ range and a dozen components destroyed, it behaves a lot like the HBK-4P in regards to being a scalpel.

When the hitboxes are tweaked, one of two things are going to happen.

The optimal scenario would be the arms become fairly decent shields for the side torsos, especially the right one, and rolling damage across the front of your mech should be fairly easy. This would keep it XL friendly, in theory, and make it much more dangerous in a prolonged engagement.

The other scenario would be that the arms do not block the ST enough and shielding becomes a non-option. This would probably end up killing ST friendliness, though I'm not entirely sure, but this build can still work just fine by dropping down to a STD300 and losing the BAP, so I'm not really that worried.

#DeadOnArrival

Edited by Victorion, 27 September 2015 - 11:38 AM.

[Deathlike]

Victorion, on 27 September 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Yep, I just woke up and played my first match in my 6R 3x LPL 3x ML 2x AMS, BAP XL350 variant, and got this.



This is what I would consider to be my average match in the BK-6R now that I've Elited it. Once Elited, it run's much cooler, and in normal battle pace (I.E Ducking in and out of cover before firing, moving to flank, etc) it stays incredibly manageable. I'm also really appreciating the ML range bonus with a ML range module. ML's hitting out to LPL range is pretty sweet.

Good matches will be around the 750~ range and a dozen components destroyed, it behaves a lot like the HBK-4P in regards to being a scalpel.

#DeadOnArrival

You'll never really get away with it vs actual teams (solo queue is not even a place to display much skill).

Good teams+players melt the Black Knight with ease.

You can keep thinking otherwise, but if you think you're in quality play... you will be sorely mistaken.

[Chuck Jager]

I would like to pre release purchase the packs for all the stuff, but even the Clan mechs has at least 2 average to poor mechs. IS is getting 1.5 decent(ish) mechs per pack.

As of now I just wait for cbill or ala-carte for a really good one. Sometimes the light/medium package is decent.

Wait and see how model change for BK goes with the upcoming balance

[Finn McShae]

Deathlike, on 27 September 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

You'll never really get away with it vs actual teams (solo queue is not even a place to display much skill).

Good teams+players melt the Black Knight with ease.

You can keep thinking otherwise, but if you think you're in quality play... you will be sorely mistaken.

Again I am so glad my T3 averageness doesn't put me against all you "good" competition. Sure doesn't sound fun.

This way I can play mediocre mechs with moderate success and, you know, have fun.

[Victorion]

Deathlike, on 27 September 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

You'll never really get away with it vs actual teams (solo queue is not even a place to display much skill).

Good teams+players melt the Black Knight with ease.

You can keep thinking otherwise, but if you think you're in quality play... you will be sorely mistaken.

I'm going to break this down for you real slow because apparently, saying it 500 freaking times isn't working.

I have NEVER said the BK would be good against premade groups.

I have NEVER said the BK would be good one vs one vs good players.

I have ONLY been saying that it's a decent little mech to use in solo queue once elited as a support mech for larger, slower Assaults. I'm not even saying that it's GOOD because some people can't handle even that apparently and want to jump down my throat for even suggesting it.

You and other people need to stop putting words in my mouth, it's getting bizarre.

"I like this mech, it's fun"

"YOU NEED TO STOP THINKING ITS COMPETITIVE VS GROUPS AND GOOD PLAYERS"

Seriously, it's weird at this point, stop.

Edited by Victorion, 27 September 2015 - 12:02 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

I have had good matches in bad mechs. Sometimes bad mechs fit your style. I wreck face in my Kintaro's.

But it doesn't mean it is a good mech. And I don't try and convince people that a mech that is good for me is good for everyone. Especially when the overwhelming evidence says otherwise.